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DISCUSSION: Is the DRUM APP market saturated?

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  • RUST( i )KRUST( i )K

    @Samu said:
    mkell424 Once you've bought an 'app' I see no real problem in lifting out the samples and using them with your other apps. (For example using the iMPC/iMPC Pro samples with Attack or Diode-108). Maybe there is some 'fine-print' that doesn't allow this but who will hunt you down if your track contains samples from apps that you already own?

    Your workflow often sounds like mine.

    Tedious and methodical.

    Yet- complete.

  • Nu2moroNu2moro

    In my humble opinion there ought to be a step backwards and rather than put gimmicky functions into apps more needs to be done amongst all devs and Apple to devise a solid system of communication that would allow all apps to work together as one unit in time. There are enough examples of what people needed/wanted from a sampling drum programmers to get good solid ideas for how apps should develop.
    in the good old days! Lol :/)

  • Diode108Diode108

    @Nu2moro said:
    In my humble opinion there ought to be a step backwards and rather than put gimmicky functions into apps more needs to be done amongst all devs and Apple to devise a solid system of communication that would allow all apps to work together as one unit in time. There are enough examples of what people needed/wanted from a sampling drum programmers to get good solid ideas for how apps should develop.
    in the good old days! Lol :/)

    I think that's what is being attempted by Apple in iOS9. It really has to be them.

  • mkell424mkell424

    @Diode108 Are you planning to make your app into an AU if the rumors are true?

  • Diode108Diode108

    @mkell424 said:
    Diode108 Are you planning to make your app into an AU if the rumors are true?

    We haven't decided quite yet, but it seems like it would be cool.

  • WillWill
    edited July 2015

    @RustiK said: Beating up on is such an emotional word anyway.

    So is "insulted".

    @Diode108 said:
    I love the idea of a perfect drum machine. Unfortunately, I have a hard time finding even two people who want the same thing out of a drum machine.

    ^ This.

    THERE IS NO PERFECT DRUM APP

    I mean, is there a perfect synthesizer? A perfect microphone? Bass guitar? Or more to the question here: is there a perfect hardware drum machine? People spend over a grand on Elektron boxes and still want for "obvious" features and bug fixes. Go visit the hardware MPC forum. This whole question is nonsense.

    We have lots of great drum apps. The cost of all of them added together coming in at a fraction of an Elektron box and some of them even have developers that respond to your feedback in a matter of weeks. WEEKS to get a feature you want added at no additional cost to you.

    Rejoice people.

    More likely than not, the only way to get your perfect drum app is to start learning how to program.

  • Nu2moroNu2moro

    Diode 108, you devs must be getting a little fed up with all the chopping and changing with the iOS uodates.

  • Diode108Diode108
    edited July 2015

    @Nu2moro said:
    Diode 108, you devs must be getting a little fed up with all the chopping and changing with the iOS uodates.

    We still have about 7% or 8% iOS 7 users. How long do you think people will still want iOS 7 support once iOS 9 comes out? If you can answer that one for me... :-)

  • solador78solador78

    @syrupcore said:
    More likely than not, the only way to get your perfect drum app is to start learning how to program.

    Or start taking the perspective of doing more with less.. I could do without all that non-quantized, offbeat dd-stuff that so many people demand from a 16 step grid.

  • WillWill

    @Diode108 said:
    We still have about 7% or 8% iOS 7 users. How long do you think people will still want iOS 7 support once iOS 9 comes out? If you can answer that one for me... :-)

    I think of supporting a single previous OS version as a very kind professional courtesy in iOS land.

  • Nu2moroNu2moro

    @Diode108 said:
    We still have about 7% or 8% iOS 7 users. How long do you think people will still want iOS 7 support once iOS 9 comes out? If you can answer that one for me... :-)

    They may change after the first few years of bug fixes or iOS 10 perhaps ;-)
    I wonder how long Apple will continue support for older devices!?

  • ModerndaycompilerModerndaycompiler

    Never too many choices for drum apps imho. there are alternatives ...

  • sonosaurussonosaurus

    There are still people using iPad 1s out there running its maximum iOS 5... you can probably count the number of maintained music apps that still support them for updates on two hands. All of them are probably "old classics" ;)

    That said, I've been procrastinating on getting some of those much requested major improvements into DrumJam for far too long. There is an update pending in a few weeks, but only a few small (but useful) features are sneaking in with the bugfixes.

  • thesammillerthesammiller

    @syrupcore said:
    I think of supporting a single previous OS version as a very kind professional courtesy in iOS land.

    @sonosaurus said:
    There are still people using iPad 1s out there running its maximum iOS 5... you can probably count the number of maintained music apps that still support them for updates on two hands. All of them are probably "old classics" ;)

    I LOVE my iPad1. I bought apps for it years ago that I'm only now kind of starting to understand. Thank god for iElectribe and Different Drummer and DM1 and FunkBox.

    I actually reached app overload not too long ago. I love the Nave stuff but just haven't pulled the trigger on Attack because I still haven't learned the apps I mentioned above inside and out.

    Are there too many drum apps? Never. Have I bought too many drum apps? Always.

  • WillWill

    @thesammiller said:
    Are there too many drum apps? Never. Have I bought too many drum apps? Always.

    Exactly!

  • JohnnyGoodyearJohnnyGoodyear

    I have an iPad 1 that I never use, haven't for a few years. Nothing on it. Tempting, now I have discovered/rediscovered Nanoloop to make an orchestra of apps that only work back on the old machine. You know, maybe write some songs :)

  • BiancaNeveBiancaNeve

    But the good thing about the iPad1 apps is they work (at what ever level they got frozen at) and don't suddenly get broken by the latest point release.

  • Matt_Fletcher_2000Matt_Fletcher_2000

    @firejan82 said: Korg Gadget with Bilbao makes a pretty complete drum app in my opininion

    The only thing missing from Gadget is a better synth drum gadget. I find Tokyo quite limited in it's parameters and the fact it just has 4 drums. If Seek Beats was made into a gadget then i'd agree that all you need is Gadget. The automation is great - and for me it's integrated into the rest of my track which is a real bonus over importing loops.

    I've been experimenting with using DrumJam's midi out to play different kits (and even synths) in Gadget. That can work well.

  • SamuSamu

    I'd be happy if Gadget had integrate sampling and re-sampling for starters. This would make it possible to quickly and easily make drums and other sounds using the built-synth sand re-sample them to Bilbao's Pads :)

  • knewspeakknewspeak

    I never say never to a decent rhythmn box, but please give us a decent sampler on iOS, if only we could say 'do you think we have too many samplers on iOS'

  • Nu2moroNu2moro

    Be nice if some of the existing drum apps could be ported over to Cubasis as a VST instruments. Don't know if it's possible at the moment but that would solve a few problems

  • SamuSamu

    I'm thinking that once iOS9 hits the streets we'll see a boom with apps that include an AU-Extension but it remains to be seen how many of the 'older' apps are still maintained and updated by their developer/s...

    I have a strange gut-feeling that Sunrizer will be one of the very first Synths to have an AU-Extension on iOS9, don't know why...

  • solador78solador78

    @Samu said:
    I'd be happy if Gadget had integrate sampling and re-sampling for starters. This would make it possible to quickly and easily make drums and other sounds using the built-synth sand re-sample them to Bilbao's Pads :)

    It's possible to bounce exactly 2 bars of 8th notes to Dropbox and then import it across the 16 pads in Abu.

  • RUST( i )KRUST( i )K

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
    I've been experimenting with using DrumJam's midi out to play different kits (and even synths) in Gadget. That can work well.

    So, you want the Drum Jams MIDI patterns and corresponding controls to drive a Gadget?

    Interesting. What are the other benefits of doing this?

    Thanks

  • RUST( i )KRUST( i )K

    So is "insulted".

    @syrupcore said:

    Laughing at oneself...........you have a point with that one.

  • Matt_Fletcher_2000Matt_Fletcher_2000

    @RustiK said:
    So, you want the Drum Jams MIDI patterns and corresponding controls to drive a Gadget?

    Interesting. What are the other benefits of doing this?

    I use the 'bottom half' of DrumJam which has nice performance pads (velocity sensitive) and that nice 'note repeat' type feature. It will send this as midi out... which is great.

  • RUST( i )KRUST( i )K

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    You're the Gadget Guru!

  • SamuSamu

    @solador78 Indeed it is, but there is no easy way to 'transfer' a 'slice' from Abu Dhabi to a Bilbao Pad, it is possible to import the same 'file' into Bilbao and select the playback portion, hardly intuitive. And I wish Korg would include iOS-Filepicker support so we all could easily access our files from AudioShare and there would be no more need to have constant access to the internet...

    Gadget really needs a proper integrated 'sampler/re-sampler'(sample recording/editing, layering, synthesis, effects) with Pad and Piano UI and the ability to share samples between gadgets that can use samples, I value this way higher than 'Audio-Tracks' and would be happy of pay for another IAP...

  • solador78solador78
    edited July 2015

    @Samu, What's the benefit of using Bilbao's pads over Abu's pads?

  • kobamotokobamoto

    not at all, if we'd have looked at it that way we would have not gotten diode and would not be looking forward to getting patterning, I'd almost say it's essential that we keep on looking for the perfect beatmachine. we need people to develop more sampling slicing beatmachines and we need the iOS devs to start churning out sampling slicing grid apps too, the grid app market is sorely lacking on iOS even though we've got all of the various midi controllers like the mini launchpad that would be perfect with the ipad.

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