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Just a hobbyist, so I really didn't do much previously. I had Logic Express, but I never found much time to learn what I was doing. I got an iPad for work and out of curiousity. I got a few music apps early on, but none of them were very good, but then I got Thumbjam and started to see what would be possible. I got a few others and started thinking that there should be a way to pipe audio between them. I started looking into that and found that AB was in the pipeline. AB, Different Drummer, and Auria all helped convince me that iOS was a viable platform to allow me to be creative while sitting on my butt. I was sold.
You're on Mister @Bluepunk. If you take a look back through SOTMC from the past few months you'll see some encouraging ideas/outlines from our Benign Dictator ( @richardyot ). Remember, it's just a mechanism to hold your own feet to the finishing fire. You're not trying to write the world's best anthem, just AN anthem/whatever. And it's not even the end of July yet, you've got ages until August.....good luck and get with it!
Thanks @JohnnyGoodyear. I remember your marvellous country/punk offering from last month. Looking forward to your next offering. Now I have Cubasis, there's no more Smart Guitar for me (please Apple, let us use GB in the input slot) so I'm learning alternatives.
Probably stick with with the style that my name suggests. "1, 2, 3, 4, Sheena is......a punk rocker." Anything semi close to those boys & I will dust off my 40 year old tartan bondage troosers & pogo through the town celebrating. Thanks for the good luck message.
I hadn't played any kind of music since my days in Pile of Cows in 80s Chicago.
Hadn't engineered/mixed any since Friday Jazz at LACMA in 90s.
Got iPad 1 the first Xmas after it dropped. Found the AppStore, then studioHD, iSequence, Thumbjam and my mind was blown, and still is...
Had an iPhone 3GS and bought a couple of cheapie music apps on a whim. Soundgrid was actually pretty cool musically so I looked for other stuff. I found Argon synth and thought, damn this is actually a great synth. Then I found NanoStudio and totally fell in love. I was commuting to work on the bus at that point, 25 minutes each way and made more music on those bus rides with NanoStudio than I had in a long long time. Then found Thumbjam and Loopy and here I am.
It's just so darn convenient. And if you can't make music with some combination of all of the apps that are available then iOS music-making just isn't for you.
iPad + Iconnect4 became the greatest sequencer setup for my old HW Synths: triggering Jupiter-8, Prophet-5 and now my new Dominion-1.... we're all so crazy lucky in this day in age.
I had an Imac for several years, running Ableton Live. I tried Logic but didn't like it. I've been djing in the past and I felt all right using Traktor and Live. I also had hardware and controllers (Kaossilator, Xiosynth, Launchpad, Evolver, S2, Behringer mixer...) I've been in trouble, found myself without job, friends gone and sold everything. Now with my wife I'm very busy working sometimes 10 hours a day 6-10 days and when I'm off is the family. For me IOS is mobility: playing in the bus, in the park, in the sofa...Touchscreen is creative and fun. There're tons of amazing apps and the prices are reasonably good. I don't see myself back to desktop.
Drool. Which app do you use to sequence?
To be honest my days of iOS music are limited, because the platform is now too unreliable for me. For example, earlier tonight I recorded a Thumbjam track onto an Auria project via AB. Lovely. Went back in just now and thought I'd add some more TJ onto the same track, and played a great sequence of chords. On playback the new recording was distorted, due to the input volume being double it was previously. Same track, same app, same instrument, same everything, completely different result. On exiting and rebooting the app had mysteriously changed the input volume.
That's been the story for me this year, sometimes it works, other times it don't.
Tthis platform is suffering because of the rush for 'new', before the 'current' is allowed to work properly. This is a platform disappearing up it's own arse in a frenzy of new product, a gas cloud of quantity over quality.
I give up, it's too much if a struggle for me.
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First studio was a cassette recorder with one Mic for guitar and voice in the roach-motel bathroom of my first apartment- 1979. Multi tracking began a month later when I bought a 2nd cassette player to play the first track with very careful Mic positioning. Vestafire 4-track recorder in 1984, mindblowing. A Windows PC in 2000 and N-Track Studio when it was free, took 2 hours to download, mindmoreblowing. My Flip phone broke in 2010 and my wife got me an IPhone 4 against my protests because I didn't want to turn into one of those phone-obsessed dorks that spend all day texting away on a little box. And then THUMBJAM and it was all over... Long may the spirits bless ThumbJam!
I used to love Bhajis Loops!! I lost it when someone stole my lifedrive.
I started with an iPad 1 when I got one for testing sites for work and realized the potential. I started with Beepstreet's iSequencer. I really like that app. Wish he would update it.
Ah, I fondly remember the thrill of buying those old school apps on the day of release..was a whole new world diving into them for the first time..
Seconded. Still holds up well, but would like some more pickles.
Sorry to hear about that. But as I'm always saying to the kid: S'posed to be fun, right? and you don't sound as though you're having too much about now.
We'll keep a light in the window etc. Let us know what's happening in the big world.
^ This.
Great timing on this thread. For an upcoming blog article, I've been checking some old notes and found details on my first experience with iOS. Looking back, I think it is interesting and worth sharing.
I've had keyboard workstations for years but never did much with PC/desktop beyond a little MIDI recording. And at the time, I knew very little about Apple products, but I had ordered what I thought was a very fancy MP3 player (free as a credit card reward thingy, man what a life changing decision that turned to be).
Below snippets are copied directly from notes that I made at the time: (USA date format, so it's March of 2011).
3/6/11 received iPod touch...it has 8GB, wi-if and Retina (whatever that means).
3/11/11 -- I made a song with apps! Wow it's weird, but very cool...I'm arranging pre done bits of music and then wrote words and sang!!!
These music sections are loops.
3/27/11 -- I found a real synthesizer in the App Store, it's free and it's called Nlog synth. It has IAP to record and export wav files $1.99
Reading the notes made me LOL...At that time I really had no knowledge of other music apps available at the time (Nano Studio, Music Studio, Animoog, and many more). I was having fun with SongMaker apps and then when I got Nlog, heck it was my first true synthesizer, so I didn't need anything else...and that lasted a little while.
But like a junkie, I eventually found more and stronger apps, and then of course I had to get an iPad so that I could get mo' bigger, and stronger apps. This my friends was the road to ruin; the road down to appaholism. I would warn you away, but if you're reading this in the AB Forum, then it is already too late, your fate is sealed.
Good luck and keep making music!!!
I've always liked tapping on things so the iPad made sense for me. Found working with the mouse in Logic and GarageBand on the desktop to be too much like working with spreadsheets. Shiny Drum and Jam Pad were the first music apps I used and very limited versus what we have available now. Familiar with the growing pains of technology, I haven't struggled too much with finding workarounds for apps and iOS that are works in progress and find that offset by the very reasonable pricing and wide range of music apps now available. It's been very interesting to see the development of music apps and developers as well as what has stuck around and what's been left behind in the relatively short time since the iPad came out.
I always hoped somehow it would get a port to iOS with some minor updates
I've been creating electronic music almost every day since 1990.. despite that it's just a hobby for me. I've never had any commercial releases or even underground ones for that matter.
I bought an ipad a few years back to use the net with ( my music production computer is off line) and quickly realised the potential for music making. Not got round to interfacing the ipad with my pc (Cubase/Reason) yet, so I create lots of sounds beats wav samples with the ipad for importing. And sometimes get carried away on the ipad ending up with a track. With so many creative apps it's hard not to
Despite the oft-repeated mantra about how cheap apps are, I've spent a heck of a lot of money on hardware and apps but struggling to go a few days without some bug or issue getting in the way of my enjoyment and creativity. No app is an island, it's an ecosystem so when one lets things slip the whole chain comes crashing down.
A year ago I would happily fire-up Audiobus, load in Sector or Samplr, feed it through Turnado and record the resulting joyful mess into Garageband. I was knocking out a couple of awful tracks every month, but having MAXIMUM FUN. Six months and a bunch of updates later, Audiobus stopped playing nicely with Garageband, and GB starting throwing up it's own problems too.
So, to try and get back to that happy place I upgraded my hardware, iOS, all my apps and invested in Auria. Needless to say things have never been the same - Audiobus is no longer fully compatible with a lot of the apps I use (or the other way around, who knows - I'm going to create a video on this at some point to see if any one has any ideas), and along with the occasional corrupted file, Auria doesn't work consistently with IAA.
Sometimes, Auria records everything fine. Other times there are IAA, Audiobus, distortion, crashes, freezes, and other annoyances that give me a horrible time. Of course I could go back to the under powered Garageband, but then I face the Audiobus shenanigans which require me to load and unload everything for ten minutes before things connect.
Since being on here I've seen a few members have a rant like this and say they're giving up with iOS, and to be true to their word they haven't returned. I'm not giving up, because I can still record into the always trustworthy Audioshare and export files to Logic for a stress-free time, but for me the iPad is no longer the self-contained island of joy that it was a year ago.
iOS music certainly has its bugs, but then so does desktop music. So far things are going smoother for me than when I use Logic, so fingers crossed.
Was going to buy a laptop, luckily decided on ipad. Before that hardware sequencer and sampler and 16trk. Never really used a DAW before ios.
I Started on the PC with an ADlib card in the 80s, went to amiga trackers for a few years in the early 90s the landed upon Samplitude for making sound collages from various sources, guitars, nord lead etc, lots of sample chopping.
What got me into ios initialy was having a long commute everyday and that touch screen felt awesome. What shifted the ratio to now be 80% ios 20% pc daw is that i dont need to mess around with horrible pc drivers and flakey rewire configurations. That being said it did take a bit to find a workflow that really worked technicaly and creatively but dayum apps are cheap and easy experiments abound!
This topic is interesting
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The iElectribe app!
I hear you. I certainly have moments/times when odd things happen (or don't), but far less often than you report. Could well be that you drive things harder or have more complicated requirements than I do. Or higher standards (not so hard, believe me). However, I would like to see a video of some of your struggles. It sounds more than anything that you are being bucked by inconsistencies, which would drive anyone mad. Something works, something doesn't work. Why? Etc.
Certainly not worth the candle if you are getting the inverse of joy.
in a word, Figure.
Same setup worked perfectly last night, no issues at all.
I think Auria is the main culprit, it starts playing up after using it for a while, and a reboot seems to (usually) clear the problem. Most issues seem linked with the horrible 'input matrix'/Audiobus connection, though it wouldn't surprise me if AB was mucking things up as well, as it regularly loses audio from chained apps even when I'm not using Auria, butDRAFT SAVED 13:51
What made me "switch" to iOS music was that I am utterly terrible at getting anything to work with desktop production. I'm actually decently computer savvy, but it's a constant nightmare working with ASIO drivers and VST plugins just to even get to the point where I can record tracks and basically do things that took me all of 5 minutes to figure out on iPad.
I continue to flirt with the idea of doing stuff on my PC. What makes it worse is there is this wealth of freeware stuff that actually sounds pretty good, but I can never get it to work reliably. iOS music is full of its own distractions and buying new apps just for the sake of buying stuff, versus actually making music. But it's still worlds better than the experiences I've had on PC where the tools seem to be in place, but I get stuck in sub menus doing troubleshooting. It's like the equivalent of bringing home an awesome synthesizer and then not being able to plug in the power adapter to actually use it!