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Audio Editor - thoughts ?
I'd appreciate some thoughts on what people think are the more capable audio editors out there.
I've heard good things about Twisted Wave. Alternatively, should I just concentrate on using Auria for editing tasks ?
Currently, I'm just thinking about the more basic things - fades / trim / normalise etc and an editor's ease of use, less so effects.
Cheers
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Audioshare works fast and easy and does al the basic things you describe.Still waiting for an editor that can save slices and tempo info to create CAF and/or REX files.I know twisted wave can read the most file formats (including CAF) and that it is a very good editor, only i couldnt find any info If it can save the files back with slice and tempo info.
Cheers,
I really like Audioshare as a veritable swiss army knife app, all round, but I should have mentioned being able to zoom in/out and create regions and markers etc. are also important to what I'd like to do, it seems Audioshare doesn't do this (?)
Auria is solid as an audio editor. Haven't tried or even heard of Twisted Wave. I also haven't seen a better audio editor than Auria, though maybe one is out there. With Auria you get the features of a DAW, like snapping to bars and beats, punch in/out recording, and if you need to add effects it has some good ones (though pricey). Auria also lets you easily copy a region to the pasteboard if you want to move it to another app.
TwistedWave just got an update with 'iOS FilePicker Support' (I'm positively surprised by the fast response from the dev).
There is one minor annoyance left that I hope will be fixed soon and it's the 'automatic snap to zero' when moving the bounds of the selection. In the desktop version of TwistedWave this is optional, I requested this feature for the iOS version too, remains to be seen if it will get implemented. The 'priority' for iOS version is to keep things simple.
I'd also love to view the selection in 'samples' not in seconds/milliseconds and also 'editing' of single samples to remove clicks or at least 'smooth' a selection. All these features are present in the Desktop version which I've also got recently, not cheap but definetely worth it...
For me TwistedWave but WavePad Masters Edition and Hokusai might be worth to take a look at too...
+1 for TwistedWave. For me the user interaction is much better than Hokusai. It's way smoother and more intuitive than others I've tried. I was originally put off by the "old-fashioned" interface but in actual use that became a non-issue. I think the implementation of the touch interface is much better. Auria is great but pretty complex and the implementation of the touch interface can be wonky for editing. If AudioShare doesn't do what I need, then TW is my next choice. The zoom function on TW is way more accessible than AS and I love AS. So there!
AudioShare works well for smaller editing tasks like creating short loops. You can zoom in by doing a long press on the wave form. It only allows you to navigate around a relatively small area while zoomed so it's more problematic for longer waves. You can snap to the beat, normalize, mono/stereo, audio format conversions, and fades.
There are several apps like GarageBand, iKaossilator, Yellofier, Egoist, and Looptical that can export perfect bpm based loops which you can then edit into smaller samples in AudioShare for beat machines and the like. It'd be nice to know of an editor that allows you to store slice and tempo info plus a list of apps that could use these types of files.
I have all of the apps mentioned here (and one or two more besides, of course and Twisted Wave is BY FAR AND AWAY the easiest, best audio file editor I have used. Hands down. Didn't want to spend the money, glad I did.
It would be very nice if one of these apps allowed you to create slice points and then export a set of slices. I resort to iMPC pro for this (and BM2 also does it) but neither are ideal (and both are massive file size apps).
Thanks for the comments,
I think for my purposes, Twisted wave may well be what I'm after.
While we're on the subject I wanted to ask about an editor for a specific purpose.
I typically record to a DAW such as Ableton or Cubase. I'd like to be able to import short .wav loops/stems into my iPad so I can arrange them into a full track, then export the resulting track-length stems back to my desktop DAW.
I expect many editors can do something like this, but has anyone had particularly good experiences accomplishing this with one app or another?
I think "kick ass stereo wave editor" remains a product hole on iOS.
Yep. Yep. Yep.
IDK - TW is pretty good
I bought TW, I was initially put off by it's interface - goes to show, looks aren't everything.
I'm glad I did get it, if it had a spectral view and a de-clicker it would be perfect, but it's still a 'proper' audio editor with a good sized waveform view.
Beat twirl will slice audio into slices
It's 10 bucks for an app that hasn't been updated since 2013... Is it worth it?
This is my only complaint with Twisted Wave on iOS as well and I too spoke with the developer about it.
Regardless Twisted Wave wins on several levels and has the edge over Audioshare for the specific reason that one can zoom RIGHT THE HECK IN on the waveform. It's absolutely worth having.
Can't say what it's worth to someone else it's a shame it's not been updated as Audiobus no longer works
It's still easy to get sounds into it via open in though or export them the same way to Dropbox or Audioshare.
It's quite good for providing fodder for samplers and such because of the ability to export a bunch of slices as a zip file.
There seem to have been some 'change' to the behaviour of the markers. The 'left' marker is seems to snap more frequently than the 'right' marker, still I'd love to have the option to disable auto-snap or at least have some control over the snapping (say if I set a fictional BPM to 120 the snapping could be set 1/4, 1/8, 1/16th etc).
The zoom level in TwistedWave is insane so it would only feel natural to allow users to vertically move the samples up/down or 'finger-paint' the wave when zoomed in. (I mentioned these ideas to the developer). I also miss 'vertical zoom' of reprise editing when the level is low.
The good sign regarding TwistedWave is that the developer is active and keeps updating the app and listens to user feedback which is a huge plus.
The closer to the Desktop version TwistedWave gets the better.
It would be totally awesome to be able merge TwistedWave & AudioShare
I agree with All of this ^ ^ ^
TwistedWave is one of the rare iOS apps that's So good I then also bought the Mac version. (and through using the Mac version quickly contacted the developer about that auto-snap default within iOS)
The thought of AudioShare's greatness and Twisted Wave's stellar powers combined would be MEGA.
Is it also possible to save the markers and tempo info into 1 file instead of several sliced files to export as a CAF ?.
Im still looking for an editor that can create CAF files to use with Beathawk.I cant find any editors for my windows laptop or ipad.
@BiancaNeve said:
Thanks. Beat Twirl looks interesting.
What about NCH WavePad Editor?....... They made it for IOS now.
One question if I may. Where does it save the batch of slices to? If it's just to the iTunes folder that would be a pain.
I like Hokusei, but selecting regions is a bit fiddly. It doesn't support CAF export or slicing, which would be good adds, but it does have a good deal of processing capabilities, beyond what I'm aware of in TW (which I don't own.)
@funjunkie27 My guess is you might be surprised at what TW can output (including CAF). I like Hokusei, find it a little idiosyncratic (but I can relate , however, I hardly ever open it now...
TW certainly wins on the export options. Hokusei does require some patience, but it does offer a good deal. Pop remover tool, for one, which might be useful to some. Still, I have TW on the watch list.
You can export them anywhere that you can "open in" them to. Obvious candidates being Audioshare and Dropbox
Thanks. Have purchased. Seems like I can export multiple slices as separate wavs all in one go to Dropbox (or email). This is a big step forward for me chopping things up quickly for import into Bilbao.
It's quite crashey though. And I can't see any way you can save your work.
But still - pretty useful. And iPhone as well as iPad.
Would be nice if you could ask it to slice to exact bars or fractions of a bar (eg half/quarter/eight of a bar) but seems like it will only do it on transients.
Also, says it will export to CAF - but not sure if it keeps the slice points.
A bit fiddly is generous if you ask me. It's maddening, especially at the edges. The magnifying slider though... absolutely marvelous. Wish it were an iOS standard UI control (I think it's just a visual representation of what the OS does by default). Would be a huge win if that were also applied to the edges of selection points in the waveform view. Also great that it's universal.
I'm an unabashed NanoStudio fanboy and it's waveform editor is seriously under spec'd but the actual zooming and selecting of waveform content is still the most fluid on IOS in my book. I want Hokusai's waveform selection to work like that.
They fixed the chaotic processing menu which is great—scrolling past DC Offset and Frequency Filter to get to Copy or Normalize was frustrating. I know they're trying to keep the UI clean but adding some of the more commonly used functions as toolbar items wouldn't be awful. It was a big boon to Auria if you ask me. Think I'm generally not a fan of using the waveform to both do things like select and bring up a menu (like iMPC Pro and Garageband). It always seems to lead to confusion and/or selection loss. Again, NS (and others like it) wins here—make a selection and then use dedicated menu items to do something with it.
Less manic waveform selecting, UX/UI overhaul, defaulting to full height waveforms (awesome that it's multitrack but it needn't visually default to that) and Open In or Document picker support and Hokusai could be a seriously great audio editor. Definitely blows everyone else away with audio processing capabilities. Plus, it does have that multitrack support for compiling things.
That said, and I haven't tried Twisted Wave on iOS (but have on the Mac), we still don't have anything even close to WaveLab 1.0 or CoolEdit 1.1 (mid-90s windows apps) let alone Wavelab 3 or CoolEdit 2 (late 90s apps!). I'd love to see a great two track editor integrated into one of the Mastering apps.
/old guy needing a life