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Fugue Machine Rubato by Alexandernaut (Released)

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  • DrrabbitfootDrrabbitfoot

    I still always thought it would be nice to play your own lines directly into fugue machine, I'm surprised that wasn't added. I totally get your point that this doesn't have to do all the things a piano roll does, but often recording something in is faster, at least for me, and it is also humanized right out of the box.

    That would be fun, do you know if it’s like Harmony Bloom, where a play head can MIDI out to its own source, apologize if this is a known quantity

  • Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredrWrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

    @u0421793 said:
    I’ve always said that ios music apps were too cheap from the start – this is probably how much a thing like this should cost

    That would give you the choice of buying it if you had a requirement for such a thing, or not buying it if you didn’t – as it stands, apps are too cheap but everybody buys every new app whether they want it or not (at least some years ago this was the case), and most end up being unused and fall off the conveyor belt at the other end sooner or later – this isn’t the way it should be, having a mountain of apps we forgot we even bought, and never getting into any particular one deeply, only ever having used most of them for 30 seconds, and the manufacturers forgetting about them because they made an overall loss for their time and effort

    I think this is a good move, more apps should be a proper commitment or just don’t buy it

    The price of ipad apps is held artificially low by the fact that you cannot sell them. If Apple changed this, then the price might begin to converge with desktop.

  • mikejohnmikejohn

    well worth it.

  • Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredrWrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

    @gusgranite said:
    Cool looking upgrade! Regarding price, there’s a sweetspot isn’t there. Not too cheap that the dev makes no income, not too expensive that it sits on the shelf. I probably wouldn’t pay this much for a desktop midi sequencer VST so there’s no way I’m paying it on iOS where I can’t choose to re-sell it down the road and it can go pooof and disappear from the AppStore.

    The thing with sequencers is that they are easy and fun to patch in modular apps. When I buy a sequencer app, it is only to save myself the patching time and because I like the UI. This means it has to be priced low enough to tempt me. Otherwise I just steal the ideas and patch them myself, which provides days of fun and mental stimulation.

  • Edward_AlexanderEdward_Alexander

    So I whipped up another “FMR video”; this time with a sort of proof of concept, demonstrating what can be done with only a single note on the grid.

    I’ve been working hard at learning most of the ins and outs of this app, and gosh darn it I’m getting my money’s worth lol 😝

    I think it’s worth every penny!

    This is just FMR (with only one note trigger on the grid) and three audio tracks containing one each of the Toybox Audio trifecta (Thump One, FM Zone, and Buzz Zone) plus some assorted audio effects (Quantum Granular, Quantum Delay, and FAC Alteza)

  • deadpoetlivedeadpoetlive

    @Edward_Alexander said:
    So I whipped up another “FMR video”; this time with a sort of proof of concept, demonstrating what can be done with only a single note on the grid.

    I’ve been working hard at learning most of the ins and outs of this app, and gosh darn it I’m getting my money’s worth lol 😝

    I think it’s worth every penny!

    This is just FMR (with only one note trigger on the grid) and three audio tracks containing one each of the Toybox Audio trifecta (Thump One, FM Zone, and Buzz Zone) plus some assorted audio effects (Quantum Granular, Quantum Delay, and FAC Alteza)

    Not a fan of the growly bit but otherwise it is really quite hypnotic and relaxing. This makes it look/sound far better than some of the hundred notes a second examples made it seem. The repeating melody was lovely.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @Drrabbitfoot said:

    I still always thought it would be nice to play your own lines directly into fugue machine, I'm surprised that wasn't added. I totally get your point that this doesn't have to do all the things a piano roll does, but often recording something in is faster, at least for me, and it is also humanized right out of the box.

    That would be fun, do you know if it’s like Harmony Bloom, where a play head can MIDI out to its own source, apologize if this is a known quantity

    Hi Doc! I’m not sure I understand the question. ‘MIDI out to its own source’?

  • DrrabbitfootDrrabbitfoot

    Like you can have multiple destinations.one playhead to drums, one play head to keys etc etc

  • SquishySquishy

    @Edward_Alexander said:
    So I whipped up another “FMR video”; this time with a sort of proof of concept, demonstrating what can be done with only a single note on the grid.

    I’ve been working hard at learning most of the ins and outs of this app, and gosh darn it I’m getting my money’s worth lol 😝

    I think it’s worth every penny!

    This is just FMR (with only one note trigger on the grid) and three audio tracks containing one each of the Toybox Audio trifecta (Thump One, FM Zone, and Buzz Zone) plus some assorted audio effects (Quantum Granular, Quantum Delay, and FAC Alteza)

    Whoa… I don’t thinnnnk I’ve been using the demo right lol. That was rad (I liked the growlies)

  • RajahPRajahP

    @Edward_Alexander said:
    So I whipped up another “FMR video”; this time with a sort of proof of concept, demonstrating what can be done with only a single note on the grid.

    I’ve been working hard at learning most of the ins and outs of this app, and gosh darn it I’m getting my money’s worth lol 😝

    I think it’s worth every penny!

    This is just FMR (with only one note trigger on the grid) and three audio tracks containing one each of the Toybox Audio trifecta (Thump One, FM Zone, and Buzz Zone) plus some assorted audio effects (Quantum Granular, Quantum Delay, and FAC Alteza)

    Thanks... Pretty unique... Nice..

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @Drrabbitfoot said:
    Like you can have multiple destinations.one playhead to drums, one play head to keys etc etc

    Definitely. When you select it as a midi source, you'll see it has lots of different 'outs' to choose from, so u can send different outs to different instruments

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @deadpoetlive said:

    @Edward_Alexander said:
    So I whipped up another “FMR video”; this time with a sort of proof of concept, demonstrating what can be done with only a single note on the grid.

    I’ve been working hard at learning most of the ins and outs of this app, and gosh darn it I’m getting my money’s worth lol 😝

    I think it’s worth every penny!

    This is just FMR (with only one note trigger on the grid) and three audio tracks containing one each of the Toybox Audio trifecta (Thump One, FM Zone, and Buzz Zone) plus some assorted audio effects (Quantum Granular, Quantum Delay, and FAC Alteza)

    Not a fan of the growly bit but otherwise it is really quite hypnotic and relaxing. This makes it look/sound far better than some of the hundred notes a second examples made it seem. The repeating melody was lovely.

    Agreed with all @deadpoetlive said, Edward. The growling can be forgiven since this is a demonstration track rather than a serious production (although the growling could fit very well in Dubstep, lol). Your demonstration also makes Fugue Machine Rubato actually come across as a proper $80 app rather than a cheap overpriced "spit out a ton of notes" gimmick, the latter which was my first impression of the app I hate to say. 🫣

    I may change my mind about buying FMR despite being initially critical of the app's pricing. It seems it could work for me in Cubasis and AUM along the likes of Harmony Bloom and the original Fugue Machine. I'd love to see/hear more examples from you with this app, Edward. Change my mind some more, lol. I really love your above example.

  • aaaaaa
    edited May 2025

    @Edward_Alexander Great job proving what can be done with a single note! It also reveals what seems to me to be a major limitation (or feature) of the app is its repetitiveness. Sure, using many playheads progressing at different rates, you can create polyrhythmic compositions that go on for minutes without ever repeating exactly. But the subsequences at each playhead become monotonous very quickly. You can mute/unmute individual playheads to create some variety, but you can't really craft evolving progressions. Instead it just gives you a wash of sound. The density of notes and complexity of rhythms stays pretty constant no matter what. A more fully-featured sequencer would typically have different "scenes" or an "arrangement view" for composing different parts of a song (intro, verse, chorus, bridge, etc.). But FMR doesn't have that, AFAIK. (To be fair, even though I'm playing with the automation, I don't really understand it yet. So maybe there's a way to create more dynamism and evolution through automation.)

    Here's my first attempt at crafting a slightly longer and more evolving progression using this sequencer. It's got an A - B - C - B structure where A is one chord, B is a different chord, and C is silent. Then it repeats after about 30 seconds.
    This piece was also my first attempt to play with the new Patterning 3 demo (testflight).

  • aaaaaa
    edited May 2025

    @MonkeyDrummer said:

    @garden said:
    I see that MIDI controller is in the roadmap. I certainly hope that this overcomes on the most frustrating shortcomings of the original app, the ability to shift/transpose the pattern with an incoming note control. I also hope that feature is coming very soon.

    It’s this precise reason I’m skeptical of this app at this price. He said for YEARS he’d look into incoming note xpose, or adding AU params, or actually use tones or colors in the ui (mostly the grid) that were actually visible outside of total darkness, etc. etc…

    Also a nice to have: scale/key locking.

    I guess I should communicate with the developer.

    FMR has a transpose feature. It's not MIDI-controlled, but it's laid out kind of like a virtual piano so you can perform the transposition by hand, from -16 to +16 semitones. And you can draw in transposition automation within the app.

  • gusgranitegusgranite

    Does the developer interact on any platform? Here or Discord etc?

  • Stuntman_mikeStuntman_mike

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @deadpoetlive said:

    @Edward_Alexander said:
    So I whipped up another “FMR video”; this time with a sort of proof of concept, demonstrating what can be done with only a single note on the grid.

    I’ve been working hard at learning most of the ins and outs of this app, and gosh darn it I’m getting my money’s worth lol 😝

    I think it’s worth every penny!

    This is just FMR (with only one note trigger on the grid) and three audio tracks containing one each of the Toybox Audio trifecta (Thump One, FM Zone, and Buzz Zone) plus some assorted audio effects (Quantum Granular, Quantum Delay, and FAC Alteza)

    Not a fan of the growly bit but otherwise it is really quite hypnotic and relaxing. This makes it look/sound far better than some of the hundred notes a second examples made it seem. The repeating melody was lovely.

    Agreed with all @deadpoetlive said, Edward. The growling can be forgiven since this is a demonstration track rather than a serious production (although the growling could fit very well in Dubstep, lol). Your demonstration also makes Fugue Machine Rubato actually come across as a proper $80 app rather than a cheap overpriced "spit out a ton of notes" gimmick, the latter which was my first impression of the app I hate to say. 🫣

    I may change my mind about buying FMR despite being initially critical of the app's pricing. It seems it could work for me in Cubasis and AUM along the likes of Harmony Bloom and the original Fugue Machine. I'd love to see/hear more examples from you with this app, Edward. Change my mind some more, lol. I really love your above example.

    I agree, @Edward_Alexander’s demo is the best yet!
    The idea of one note being used to create a whole composition is genius level and truly demonstrates the powerful concept this plugin represents 💪

  • pedropedro

    That was really cool @Edward_Alexander ! Really great showcase of the possibilities, and I’m really glad you’re getting that much fun from your investment. Don’t intend to buy but I also don’t get the negativity in this thread. This is obviously a labor of love, so either support it or move on. No need to resort to dissing

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @Stuntman_mike said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @deadpoetlive said:

    @Edward_Alexander said:
    So I whipped up another “FMR video”; this time with a sort of proof of concept, demonstrating what can be done with only a single note on the grid.

    I’ve been working hard at learning most of the ins and outs of this app, and gosh darn it I’m getting my money’s worth lol 😝

    I think it’s worth every penny!

    This is just FMR (with only one note trigger on the grid) and three audio tracks containing one each of the Toybox Audio trifecta (Thump One, FM Zone, and Buzz Zone) plus some assorted audio effects (Quantum Granular, Quantum Delay, and FAC Alteza)

    Not a fan of the growly bit but otherwise it is really quite hypnotic and relaxing. This makes it look/sound far better than some of the hundred notes a second examples made it seem. The repeating melody was lovely.

    Agreed with all @deadpoetlive said, Edward. The growling can be forgiven since this is a demonstration track rather than a serious production (although the growling could fit very well in Dubstep, lol). Your demonstration also makes Fugue Machine Rubato actually come across as a proper $80 app rather than a cheap overpriced "spit out a ton of notes" gimmick, the latter which was my first impression of the app I hate to say. 🫣

    I may change my mind about buying FMR despite being initially critical of the app's pricing. It seems it could work for me in Cubasis and AUM along the likes of Harmony Bloom and the original Fugue Machine. I'd love to see/hear more examples from you with this app, Edward. Change my mind some more, lol. I really love your above example.

    I agree, @Edward_Alexander’s demo is the best yet!
    The idea of one note being used to create a whole composition is genius level and truly demonstrates the powerful concept this plugin represents 💪

    Agreed 100%! Edward's demo has nearly sold me on the app to be fair. :) I may wait another week or so to see how I feel then/or if Edward concocts more demos for us to listen to (and see).

  • DrrabbitfootDrrabbitfoot

    @Edward_Alexander i can say that I haven’t bumped up against any of the stuff you make. I appreciate this piece. I get the arguments on either side of the fence, but I appreciate the teachers in this field, people who get dirty with the apps, and let the rest of us decide.

  • Edward_AlexanderEdward_Alexander

    @deadpoetlive said:

    Not a fan of the growly bit but otherwise it is really quite hypnotic and relaxing. This makes it look/sound far better than some of the hundred notes a second examples made it seem. The repeating melody was lovely.

    @Squishy said:

    Whoa… I don’t thinnnnk I’ve been using the demo right lol. That was rad (I liked the growlies)

    @RajahP said:

    >

    Thanks... Pretty unique... Nice..

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    Agreed with all @deadpoetlive said, Edward. The growling can be forgiven since this is a demonstration track rather than a serious production (although the growling could fit very well in Dubstep, lol). Your demonstration also makes Fugue Machine Rubato actually come across as a proper $80 app rather than a cheap overpriced "spit out a ton of notes" gimmick, the latter which was my first impression of the app I hate to say. 🫣

    I may change my mind about buying FMR despite being initially critical of the app's pricing. It seems it could work for me in Cubasis and AUM along the likes of Harmony Bloom and the original Fugue Machine. I'd love to see/hear more examples from you with this app, Edward. Change my mind some more, lol. I really love your above example.

    Thanks gang, I’ll be working with it a lot more later. I have other projects in the works (with other apps) right now that can’t involve FMR.. at least not until I learn more about it.

  • Edward_AlexanderEdward_Alexander

    @aaa said:
    @Edward_Alexander Great job proving what can be done with a single note! It also reveals what seems to me to be a major limitation (or feature) of the app is its repetitiveness. Sure, using many playheads progressing at different rates, you can create polyrhythmic compositions that go on for minutes without ever repeating exactly. But the subsequences at each playhead become monotonous very quickly. You can mute/unmute individual playheads to create some variety, but you can't really craft evolving progressions. Instead it just gives you a wash of sound. The density of notes and complexity of rhythms stays pretty constant no matter what. A more fully-featured sequencer would typically have different "scenes" or an "arrangement view" for composing different parts of a song (intro, verse, chorus, bridge, etc.). But FMR doesn't have that, AFAIK. (To be fair, even though I'm playing with the automation, I don't really understand it yet. So maybe there's a way to create more dynamism and evolution through automation.)

    Here's my first attempt at crafting a slightly longer and more evolving progression using this sequencer. It's got an A - B - C - B structure where A is one chord, B is a different chord, and C is silent. Then it repeats after about 30 seconds.
    This piece was also my first attempt to play with the new Patterning 3 demo (testflight).

    Thanks! It can do longer, more evolving things through its automation lanes, transposing, changing (bending) things etc.

    My demonstration was more of a drone piece and proof of concept for the single note thing. I get what you’re saying though!

    Nice piece from you as well! 👍

  • Edward_AlexanderEdward_Alexander

    @Stuntman_mike said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @deadpoetlive said:

    @Edward_Alexander said:
    So I whipped up another “FMR video”; this time with a sort of proof of concept, demonstrating what can be done with only a single note on the grid.

    I’ve been working hard at learning most of the ins and outs of this app, and gosh darn it I’m getting my money’s worth lol 😝

    I think it’s worth every penny!

    This is just FMR (with only one note trigger on the grid) and three audio tracks containing one each of the Toybox Audio trifecta (Thump One, FM Zone, and Buzz Zone) plus some assorted audio effects (Quantum Granular, Quantum Delay, and FAC Alteza)

    Not a fan of the growly bit but otherwise it is really quite hypnotic and relaxing. This makes it look/sound far better than some of the hundred notes a second examples made it seem. The repeating melody was lovely.

    Agreed with all @deadpoetlive said, Edward. The growling can be forgiven since this is a demonstration track rather than a serious production (although the growling could fit very well in Dubstep, lol). Your demonstration also makes Fugue Machine Rubato actually come across as a proper $80 app rather than a cheap overpriced "spit out a ton of notes" gimmick, the latter which was my first impression of the app I hate to say. 🫣

    I may change my mind about buying FMR despite being initially critical of the app's pricing. It seems it could work for me in Cubasis and AUM along the likes of Harmony Bloom and the original Fugue Machine. I'd love to see/hear more examples from you with this app, Edward. Change my mind some more, lol. I really love your above example.

    I agree, @Edward_Alexander’s demo is the best yet!
    The idea of one note being used to create a whole composition is genius level and truly demonstrates the powerful concept this plugin represents 💪

    Thank you! The idea came together quickly, and to be honest, I just picked three random presets in those synths.

  • Edward_AlexanderEdward_Alexander

    @pedro said:
    That was really cool @Edward_Alexander ! Really great showcase of the possibilities, and I’m really glad you’re getting that much fun from your investment. Don’t intend to buy but I also don’t get the negativity in this thread. This is obviously a labor of love, so either support it or move on. No need to resort to dissing

    Thanks! I can’t wait to try combining it with that other top secret thing we’ve been working on (wink wink)

  • Edward_AlexanderEdward_Alexander
    edited May 2025

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @deadpoetlive said:

    @Edward_Alexander said:
    So I whipped up another “FMR video”; this time with a sort of proof of concept, demonstrating what can be done with only a single note on the grid.

    I’ve been working hard at learning most of the ins and outs of this app, and gosh darn it I’m getting my money’s worth lol 😝

    I think it’s worth every penny!

    This is just FMR (with only one note trigger on the grid) and three audio tracks containing one each of the Toybox Audio trifecta (Thump One, FM Zone, and Buzz Zone) plus some assorted audio effects (Quantum Granular, Quantum Delay, and FAC Alteza)

    Not a fan of the growly bit but otherwise it is really quite hypnotic and relaxing. This makes it look/sound far better than some of the hundred notes a second examples made it seem. The repeating melody was lovely.

    Agreed with all @deadpoetlive said, Edward. The growling can be forgiven since this is a demonstration track rather than a serious production (although the growling could fit very well in Dubstep, lol). Your demonstration also makes Fugue Machine Rubato actually come across as a proper $80 app rather than a cheap overpriced "spit out a ton of notes" gimmick, the latter which was my first impression of the app I hate to say. 🫣

    I may change my mind about buying FMR despite being initially critical of the app's pricing. It seems it could work for me in Cubasis and AUM along the likes of Harmony Bloom and the original Fugue Machine. I'd love to see/hear more examples from you with this app, Edward. Change my mind some more, lol. I really love your above example.

    I agree, @Edward_Alexander’s demo is the best yet!
    The idea of one note being used to create a whole composition is genius level and truly demonstrates the powerful concept this plugin represents 💪

    Agreed 100%! Edward's demo has nearly sold me on the app to be fair. :) I may wait another week or so to see how I feel then/or if Edward concocts more demos for us to listen to (and see).

    I’ll have to try to put together something more evolving, like a song, less droney, and less “growly bits”. Thanks J!

  • Edward_AlexanderEdward_Alexander

    @Drrabbitfoot said:
    @Edward_Alexander i can say that I haven’t bumped up against any of the stuff you make. I appreciate this piece. I get the arguments on either side of the fence, but I appreciate the teachers in this field, people who get dirty with the apps, and let the rest of us decide.

    Probably because I haven’t published much to the public in the last couple years. Maybe it’s time to come out from under this rock.

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @Edward_Alexander
    Thanks gang, I’ll be working with it a lot more later. I have other projects in the works (with other apps) right now that can’t involve FMR.. at least not until I learn more about it.

    I can't wait to hear the other projects you got in the works, even if not using FMR.

    As far as I go, after viewing your video again Edward, I changed my mind. I'll get FMR next month (unless @Alexandernaut gives me a code to have me promote it word-of-mouth on SoundCloud and such. Yeah, in my dreams lol.). Unfortunately I need to wait until next month to get FMR.

    The more I look into it, FMR seems akin to Harmony Bloom where it can generate random MIDI notes but within set parameters. It's more than just a "spit out a ton of notes at once" MIDI generator and, as demonstrated by you Edward, can produce really soothing melodies based off of one note. That's pretty mind-blowing to be honest. Imagine setting more than one note at a time in AUM, where I can route MIDI multiout to various synths and romplers. I can honestly imagine using Fugue Machine for an ostinato and FMR for the randomly generated melodies. Then I can find some field recording off of Freesound to have playing in the background, live perform the Ambient, and voila.

    My only regret is not being able to purchase FMR before tomorrow (Drone Day 2025, lol).

  • Edward_AlexanderEdward_Alexander

    @jwmmakerofmusic I think you’ll like it!

    It’s definitely more than a “spit out a ton of notes at once” MIDI generator. Much much more.

    The demo I posted was is AUM, but I’ll be using it mainly in Drambo moving forward (my preferred host). All of the multi-MIDI-out routing can be done just the same there, plus some extras.

    I do enjoy coming back to AUM every now and then for a quick jam though.

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @Edward_Alexander said:
    @jwmmakerofmusic I think you’ll like it!

    It’s definitely more than a “spit out a ton of notes at once” MIDI generator. Much much more.

    The demo I posted was is AUM, but I’ll be using it mainly in Drambo moving forward (my preferred host). All of the multi-MIDI-out routing can be done just the same there, plus some extras.

    I do enjoy coming back to AUM every now and then for a quick jam though.

    I didn't know Drambo has its own MIDI routing. 😅 Is there something other than doing my dishes that Drambo can't do? 🤣

    But yeah, FMR will serve me well I feel. I am a master of Ambient, and such a tool will serve me rather well. :)

  • cuscolimacuscolima

    What would be an efficient way to use FMR in GR2 ? Vague question I know…

  • LycaanLycaan

    Does anyone know if you can start and stop the playheads in the AUV3 version individually via a hardware MIDI controller? As far as I know, this isn't possible with the first Fugue Machine. and even if...the price is really too high

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