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I'm considering trying wotja and wondering for those who use/enjoy wotja:
What other auv3 plugins you would compare it to?
I really like Piano Motifs for generative midi, for example, and sounds like perhaps the generative nature of wotja, may be similar...Any thoughts appreciated on how it is similar/different and which other plugins you would compare it to. Also, I plan to use as auv3 within Loopy Pro. Thanks
Piano Motifs is a hedgehog and Wotja more of a fox; it's an enormously rich, capable, and fully-featured app that can do pretty much anything you want a generative music app to do as AU, host, or standalone, from complex evolving soundscapes to infinitely self-composing fugues. It does lean towards the Enoesque (think drones and plinking with enormous numbers of twiddlable parameters), and is least suited to kinds of composition based on chord progressions, but both the composition engine and the sound-design engine are phenomenally versatile. Try the free version with timeout to see whether it's for you; you might like in the first instance to check out the built-in piano Schemas, and in edit mode to play around with the Euclidean sequencer.
Piano Motifs is a great good app but can’t really compare it to Wotja in pretty much any aspect, especially the depth of app. The massive amount of options and parameters can be tweaked and customized in Wotja can make new users’ heads explode. It’s one of these apps that evolved over the years to become really a behemoth.
Hi, it’s Tim here this time.
. There is some good news for you in that for Wotja 26 we have not only implemented an iOS-only Pro XX OTB but also a new Play-only Play XX OTB (for use in the 3 player modes). Our website will be updated tomorrow and Wotja 26 (and relevant IAPs for it) go live Jan 1st. FYI we run Early Bird deals on OTBs in Jan.
And, from Pete and me, we wish all Wotja users a Happy New Year and we hope you will all get a lot of fun out of Wotja 26 as we continue to evolve it 2026!
Thank you very much! There are a good number of very cool/useful New Features and Improvements in 26.0, but of course we will also be adding more during 2026.
Best wishes, Tim
Behemoth is an good word! Wotja is certainly an iceberg below the water.
A good example would be a new feature we've been working on for at least 4 months now, that won't be ready for January 1st, because it has required re-engineering a lot of parts in both small and large ways, and has taken a couple of false starts to understand. Some things in Wotja have taken years of planning to come to fruition (and some are very quick, of course).
We've got 30/40 years of code to look after, and untold numbers of our user's files to keep working as expected even considering all the improvements and changes. So while I think we've engineered it quite well all things considered, it still keeps us on our toes...
Best wishes,
Pete
That is indeed good news. Thanks a lot for this change in the pricing structure. And I wish both of you a Happy New Year full of joy and music.
What Pete meant to say
was that the guts of this system-level capability will actually be a "free Improvement" for all. Some uses of it will be considered a New Feature though. All said and done, it represents a ton of work for sure - and we are very excited to get it completed!
He is not wrong there!!!
Best wishes,
Tim
Thank you, and the same to you!
Wotja 26 also adds support for a new device category. I wonder if any Wotja users on this forum will find it of use?!
Best wishes, Pete
Wotja 25 is already brilliant on Vision Pro, so it can't be that… Maybe it will run standalone on human wetware. I think I'm already 37% along that road.
The Wotja drop is objectively the single best thing about New Year. So many years' memories of watching the London fireworks from my daughter's bedroom while surreptitiously refreshing the App Store, and then staying up playing with it till the little robots in their cells follow me into my dreams. Tim's documentation refresh is also a vital component of the annual oh-wowness. It's easily worth a year of all our lives to have this to look forward to.
I am looking forward to it. One of my main interests is the scripting. I can see there is an event handler for triggering a function every bar. Is it possible to trigger at shorter intervals (PPQN rates) so that you get a trigger every 1/16 note for example? Or would that cause too much CPU load and MIDI jitter ?
Don’t know if this is intentional or not but the 26 IAPs are in the store already (and so are their price s 😉)
Haha! Have not tried it myself on Vision Pro so thanks for confirming it works on that!
Aw, thank you so much for saying that... We are truly humbled.
We are so so lucky to have such generous appreciation, it really makes an enormous difference to us, so thank you!
Thanks, too, for that.
I have improved a number of things for the refresh, both in terms of the docs and on the site.
We truly hope you have fun...
Happy New Year from both of us!
Good spot
It is not exactly intentional, but we seem to have to do it this way to know that IAPs get approved in time by Apple. Maybe there is some other way to do it, in which case next year would be different
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I am sure you already know that the Early Bird deals In January give a good discount on those normal prices - https://wotja.com/news/blog/251031-Heads-Up-Wotja-26-Pricing-and-Early-Bird-Deals.html
Happy New Year from both of us!
Hi! TBH, that is the first time I recall being asked about this! Primarily, it'd be hard for the system to provide what you would probably want, which is an arbitrary "clock" rate. Something I can consider, anyhow.
Best wishes, Pete
And it's live! (In the iOS App Store; not yet in the MacOS one.)
I am on my iPhone. What’s the difference between Pro 26 ($41.99) and Pro 26 Mobile ($39.99)?
Good to see it’s live. I can see the mobile and the Pro IAP. Sadly it looks to me that Windows users would still have to pay considerably more than Apple users to have Wotja running on a desktop (PC), and an iOS (or Android) mobile device. A bit sad, I would have wished for a licensing model that only distinguishes between desktop and mobile and leaves it to the user what type of computers / mobile devices they use. Specially as most Windows users use an Android or Apple mobile device.
Tx, and it seems that they are both now there! Happy New Year!
Happy New Year!
Wrt use of USD master pricing, we have a FAQ on that here: https://wotja.com/help/#iap-usd
A couple of useful other references are here:
NB: We have discovered a minor bug in the Wotja In-App Store. As is the Pro 26 OTB, the Pro 26 Mobile OTB price should also be showing in red because BOTH are currently on EB deals (https://wotja.com/help/#early-bird-deals).
I hope the above helps clear it up. If anything is still unclear please let us know so we can try to improve wording!
Best wishes
Tim
Happy New Year!
I am not quite sure I understand your comment, sorry! So, I will try to explain things another way, and maybe that will help.
We have always sold OS-specific IAPs for several reasons, and we have a FAQ on why that is (see: https://wotja.com/help/#iap-app-store-dependent).
Whether you are on macOS or Windows, a Pro XX OTB on Desktop has exactly the same price, and this has been the case for a good while now (see: https://wotja.com/get/#apple and https://wotja.com/get/#windows) - and these are currently on Early Bird deals.
The new Apple-only Pro XX Mobile OTB is a lower priced OTB option for those that only wish/need to unlock Pro XX mode only on iOS/iPadOS (which is what I thought your earlier post was about) - and this is currently on an Early Bird deal.
If you are using Android then the Pro XX OTB for Android is priced even lower than the iOS/iPadOS only price (https://wotja.com/get/#android) - and this is currently on an Early Bird deal.
There is one further wrinkle, which is that for those that only want to PLAY (in one of the 3 player modes), then we have introduced lower priced Play XX OTBs just for that.
The reason we have 3 different kinds of IAP is to cater for different use cases (XX One Time Buy [https://wotja.com/help/#otb], Subscription [https://wotja.com/help/#sub] and Thirty Day Unlock [https://wotja.com/help/#tdu]).
Back to your question, if you want to use Wotja in Pro 26 mode on a Windows PC but also on some or other mobile device, then the lowest cost way to do so depends on how you want to use it, and where you want to do most of your creation.
We have a FAQ on that here: https://wotja.com/help/#pro-cost-lowest. NB: If you go a Subscription (where available) or Thirty Day Unlock route then you can dip in and out whenever you want, and save money that way!
But, basically, if you want to do most work on say Windows, then you might wish to get a Pro 26 OTB for Windows whilst it is on EB pricing. If you want to also use Pro 26 mode on iOS, then get a Pro 26 Mobile OTB for that (whilst on EB price), or even get a SUB or TDU for that but just only when you really need it (dipping and and out like that could save you money).
We are sorry if it seems a bit complicated, but we have the IAPs we do to cover lots of different use cases!
NB: We have discovered a minor bug in the Wotja In-App Store. As is the Pro 26 OTB, the Pro 26 Mobile OTB price should also be showing in red because BOTH are currently on EB deals (https://wotja.com/help/#early-bird-deals).
I hope the above helps clear it up. If anything is still unclear please let us know so we can try to improve wording!
Best wishes
Tim
So... has anybody out there tried Wotja 26 in their car, using our new support for Apple CarPlay?
Tim and I both got aftermarket CarPlay devices to help out with development.
Mine is a built-in replacement for my car's built-in stereo (which really needed replacing TBH!), and Tim's sits on his dashboard.
Both units gave us Apple/Google Navigation for our cars, which is nice
Best wishes, Pete
Hi Tim, thanks for the detailed explanation. And I do fully understand where you are coming from and I appreciate that at least an iOS only license was introduced so people like myself do not have to buy two full pro licenses. To put my comment in figures it is basically this what is giving me headaches (based on un-discounted prices):
Mac desktop + iOS device = $69.99
Win desktop $69.99 + iOS device $39.99 = $109.98
This means for a mixed OS user like myself a full $39.99 more costs to achieve the same as the Mac user.
As you say, you are using the regular prices for your comparison. I have also shown the Early Bird deals in context.
Yes, and we can only do this because Apple allow all OS variants to be included in ONE App Bundle under just one App ID. It is actually a major benefit to users who choose to be exclusively in the Apple ecosystem.
Early Bird Pro 26 OTB Deal = $41.99
It has to be like this because you are then working across 2 OS ecosystems and no App Store shares user details with us - you are their customer!
Early Bird Pro 26 OTB Deal combo = $41.99 + $23.99 = $65.98
Yes, with regular prices, but this is because you are working across two OS ecosystems. And, with EB Deals the difference is actually only $23.99. Or, if instead you got say 2x 1 month Pro SUBs in a year (for your iOS device) then the difference would be ~$10.
Finally, even though this is not what you want to do, you could do all your creation on Wotja for Windows and then on your iOS devices use Wotja in Lite mode just to play your creations in Lite mode - in which case there is then no difference in price!
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At the end of the day, it comes down to a feature of the Apple ecosystem itself that allows us to do a really, really good deal for users in that ecosystem. If Apple did not allow App Bundles to include both macOS and iOS variants, and so we had to make them separately available, then there would be no price difference at all between macOS + iOS or Windows + iOS combinations.
I hope that helps!
Best
Tim
I noticed that in the feature list! I'm a rail commuter myself, but it's great news for anyone who ever has to spend time and will to live in peak hours on the M25 (the eleventh circle of hell, tenth being the North Circular). Just make sure your beats are banging rather than binaural.
Thank you! I guess I will have to ask for a refund since I am not a Mac or Tv OS guy at all, and repurchase the iOS version only. For some reason the price was showing as $39.99 for the iOS one in the app and I figured for less than 2 dollars I can get whatever else this pro 25 version has over the mobile one but now the price is showing as what you mentioned. Killer app btw and I love the 26 Piano!!!
How is it not AI? From what I can tell , it's "machine generated using software algorithms" - AI!!
Software algorithms are based on mathematical, statistical and logic rules that are used to create something - a melody for example. Wotja offers a very detailed system to create and modify these rules.
An AI system in contrast is based on machine learning based models that have been trained with existing data - for example music that others created before. The output is created by the AI system finding patterns in the model that match the query. If Wotja would be AI based, the App would either permanently require an internet connection or it would be much much bigger. A very simplified version of the GPT AI model for offline use uses already 13Gb of disk space and loads of memory.
Sure, Apple make it easy to get refunds, and then you could get the Pro 26 OTB for iOS.
Thank you very much
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Yes, the 26 Piano is v nice we think!
Best wishes
Tim