DAW recommendations for iPad.

Telstar5 · January 23

Dang , what’s the big deal over $5 per month for Logic Pro sub? A cup of coffee if you leave a tip .

wim · January 23

@Telstar5 said:
Dang , what’s the big deal over $5 per month for Logic Pro sub? A cup of coffee if you leave a tip .

Are you sure you're in the right thread? I went through the whole thing just now and don't see really any discussion of the subscription cost for Logic Pro.

There are plenty of reasons other than cost that people might not be interested in Logic Pro.

maxxpower18 · January 23

@Telstar5 said:
Dang , what’s the big deal over $5 per month for Logic Pro sub? A cup of coffee if you leave a tip .

Streets is saying that you'll have to switch to the suite subscription if you want Logic Pro iPad, so it would go up to $13. Not confirmed yet.

maxxpower18 · January 23

@wim said:

@maxxpower18 said:
I've been wanting to try both AEM and the Roland DAW.

Roland Zenbeats is free to try. Though it's feature limited, it's probably enough to get a feel for whether or not you like the UI and approach.

Thanks. I was reading up on it and apparently the audio editing is kinda limited?

Gavinski · January 23

@maxxpower18 said:

@Telstar5 said:
Dang , what’s the big deal over $5 per month for Logic Pro sub? A cup of coffee if you leave a tip .

Streets is saying that you'll have to switch to the suite subscription if you want Logic Pro iPad, so it would go up to $13. Not confirmed yet.

Yes. If existing Logic Pro for iPad subscribers keep their subscription running, they'll still get it at the current price of 5 bucks. If they ever unsub, though, they'll only be able to get access again as part of this 13 bucks Creator Bundle or whatever it's called. I totally understand why people are annoyed.

anickt · January 23

@maxxpower18 said:

@wim said:

@maxxpower18 said:
I've been wanting to try both AEM and the Roland DAW.

Roland Zenbeats is free to try. Though it's feature limited, it's probably enough to get a feel for whether or not you like the UI and approach.

Thanks. I was reading up on it and apparently the audio editing is kinda limited?

AEMS audio editing is much better. Everything is done right on the timeline. You can cross-fade, time-stretch, re-pitch, reverse etc. I was initially underwhelmed with AEMS but it became my go-to once I learned it. Of course YMMV but I’m glad I gave it a hard look. 😎✌🏼

maxxpower18 · January 23

@Gavinski said:

@maxxpower18 said:

@Telstar5 said:
Dang , what’s the big deal over $5 per month for Logic Pro sub? A cup of coffee if you leave a tip .

Streets is saying that you'll have to switch to the suite subscription if you want Logic Pro iPad, so it would go up to $13. Not confirmed yet.

Yes. If existing Logic Pro for iPad subscribers keep their subscription running, they'll still get it at the current price of 5 bucks. If they ever unsub, though, they'll only be able to get access again as part of this 13 bucks Creator Bundle or whatever it's called. I totally understand why people are annoyed.

Going for the Xbox Game Pass approach. I'm still subbed so I guess I'll be fine.

maxxpower18 · January 23

@anickt said:

@maxxpower18 said:

@wim said:

@maxxpower18 said:
I've been wanting to try both AEM and the Roland DAW.

Roland Zenbeats is free to try. Though it's feature limited, it's probably enough to get a feel for whether or not you like the UI and approach.

Thanks. I was reading up on it and apparently the audio editing is kinda limited?

AEMS audio editing is much better. Everything is done right on the timeline. You can cross-fade, time-stretch, re-pitch, reverse etc. I was initially underwhelmed with AEMS but it became my go-to once I learned it. Of course YMMV but I’m glad I gave it a hard look. 😎✌🏼

Well, I'll have to give it a go.

Telstar5 · January 23

@wim : Ok, my bad .. I’ve just got subscription pricing PTSD every time I see a LP4ipad discussion going .

frosttrance_7 · January 23

Seems like no one is talking about MultitrackStudio. I never tried it, but it seems very advanced.

wim · January 23

@Telstar5 said:
@wim : Ok, my bad .. I’ve just got subscription pricing PTSD every time I see a LP4ipad discussion going .

😂✌🏼

frosttrance_7 · January 25

I cane across this on FB. It has DAWProject export! https://apps.apple.com/us/app/uk-868/id6581488836

FriedTapeworm · January 25

@anickt said:

@maxxpower18 said:

@wim said:

@maxxpower18 said:
I've been wanting to try both AEM and the Roland DAW.

Roland Zenbeats is free to try. Though it's feature limited, it's probably enough to get a feel for whether or not you like the UI and approach.

Thanks. I was reading up on it and apparently the audio editing is kinda limited?

AEMS audio editing is much better. Everything is done right on the timeline. You can cross-fade, time-stretch, re-pitch, reverse etc. I was initially underwhelmed with AEMS but it became my go-to once I learned it. Of course YMMV but I’m glad I gave it a hard look. 😎✌🏼

Can AEMS record in 32 bit float, and allow editing of gain per clips like Logic Pro?

distantstar · January 25

Cubasis 3 > all others.

Logic Pro is yet another example of the ever worsening trend of subscription software. Just hell no, personally. But if you’re keen on supporting that trend.. LP might be a contender too. After all, the OG desktop version is pretty solid, and well regarded (as much as any of them, really).

anickt · January 25

@FriedTapeworm said:

@anickt said:

@maxxpower18 said:

@wim said:

@maxxpower18 said:
I've been wanting to try both AEM and the Roland DAW.

Roland Zenbeats is free to try. Though it's feature limited, it's probably enough to get a feel for whether or not you like the UI and approach.

Thanks. I was reading up on it and apparently the audio editing is kinda limited?

AEMS audio editing is much better. Everything is done right on the timeline. You can cross-fade, time-stretch, re-pitch, reverse etc. I was initially underwhelmed with AEMS but it became my go-to once I learned it. Of course YMMV but I’m glad I gave it a hard look. 😎✌🏼

Can AEMS record in 32 bit float, and allow editing of gain per clips like Logic Pro?

Yes

dwrae · January 25

@wim said:
To the drum track. When I add a lane to the multi instrument drum track, I get the browser to pick a sound. If I choose to import, I can find a sample in the file system and select it. But when I select Open at the top-right, the sample never shows in the list.

Dear Wim, it seems you found a bug indeed. We have solved it and a new version will be released soon with the fix. The bug happens when the file is on local storage. It probably would have worked if it was on iCloud or something, but if you can wait a day or two, it will get fixed with the update. You are welcome to report bugs directly to us by email.

When you create a drum pattern track, you can use AUv3 instruments with it, regardless of whether you turn it into a multi-instrument drum pattern track or not. However, with the 'standard' drum pattern track every sound comes from only one AUv3.

anickt · January 25

@dwrae said:

@wim said:
To the drum track. When I add a lane to the multi instrument drum track, I get the browser to pick a sound. If I choose to import, I can find a sample in the file system and select it. But when I select Open at the top-right, the sample never shows in the list.

Dear Wim, it seems you found a bug indeed. We have solved it and a new version will be released soon with the fix. The bug happens when the file is on local storage. It probably would have worked if it was on iCloud or something, but if you can wait a day or two, it will get fixed with the update. You are welcome to report bugs directly to us by email.

When you create a drum pattern track, you can use AUv3 instruments with it, regardless of whether you turn it into a multi-instrument drum pattern track or not. However, with the 'standard' drum pattern track every sound comes from only one AUv3.

FWIW I couldn’t get it to work no matter where the samples were stored. But anyway, samples in the cloud download to the device for access. 😎✌🏼

wim · January 25

@dwrae said:

@wim said:
To the drum track. When I add a lane to the multi instrument drum track, I get the browser to pick a sound. If I choose to import, I can find a sample in the file system and select it. But when I select Open at the top-right, the sample never shows in the list.

Dear Wim, it seems you found a bug indeed. We have solved it and a new version will be released soon with the fix. The bug happens when the file is on local storage. It probably would have worked if it was on iCloud or something, but if you can wait a day or two, it will get fixed with the update. You are welcome to report bugs directly to us by email.

When you create a drum pattern track, you can use AUv3 instruments with it, regardless of whether you turn it into a multi-instrument drum pattern track or not. However, with the 'standard' drum pattern track every sound comes from only one AUv3.

Great, thanks.
fwiw, I was trying to load a sample that was in iCloud, but was locally downloaded on the device in the iCloud folder ... if that makes sense.

anickt · January 25

@wim said:

@dwrae said:

@wim said:

When you create a drum pattern track, you can use AUv3 instruments with it, regardless of whether you turn it into a multi-instrument drum pattern track or not. However, with the 'standard' drum pattern track every sound comes from only one AUv3.

I tried loading an AUv3 synth into a drum track and entering hits on the different drum lanes. It played back different pitches as expected. However there is no way to access the AUv3 parameters as there would be in a midi instrument track. If there was then drum tracks could be used with AUv3’s like OneShot. This would be nice because using OneShot in a midi instrument track doesn’t allow for different velocities per instrument.

I will continue any further discussion of AEMS in the AEMS thread. 😎✌🏼

DMfan · January 25

@frosttrance_7 said:
I cane across this on FB. It has DAWProject export! https://apps.apple.com/us/app/uk-868/id6581488836

Interesting GUI… I get a headache just by looking in the App Store😂. But as always, YMMV.

/DMfan🇸🇪

jwmmakerofmusic · January 25

@frosttrance_7 said:
I cane across this on FB. It has DAWProject export! https://apps.apple.com/us/app/uk-868/id6581488836

I'm sure it's a capable DAW, but that UI is an eyesore for me personally. Ymmv of course.

dwrae · January 25

@wim said:
Great, thanks.
fwiw, I was trying to load a sample that was in iCloud, but was locally downloaded on the device in the iCloud folder ... if that makes sense.

Ah, ok. I derived it from the code, I didn't actually check it. But anyway, a fix has been uploaded already to Apple. Now we just have to wait until they release it. Should be tomorrow.

jwmmakerofmusic · January 25

@dwrae said:

@wim said:
Great, thanks.
fwiw, I was trying to load a sample that was in iCloud, but was locally downloaded on the device in the iCloud folder ... if that makes sense.

Ah, ok. I derived it from the code, I didn't actually check it. But anyway, a fix has been uploaded already to Apple. Now we just have to wait until they release it. Should be tomorrow.

Probably one of the best devs on mobile. I swear, I will check AEMS out sometime next month to see what I can create in it. (Jamuary is a very demanding music challenge.)

dwrae · January 26

The update should be out now. Please let me know if it works.

Littlewoodg · January 26

@frosttrance_7 said:
Seems like no one is talking about MultitrackStudio. I never tried it, but it seems very advanced.

It is

It’s in the top 2 for me
The feature list is almost too long, very stable, always in development

Here’s some stuff.

wim · January 26

@dwrae said:
The update should be out now. Please let me know if it works.

File import (multi-selection) worked. 👍🏼
I couldn't get folder import to work. Could be user error.

FizzyLizzy27 · January 26

Which DAW would others say best handles MIDI controller mapping/routing along with audio recording? I really want to get a DAW setup focused on using my Launchkey for keys, finger drumming, and transport controls while also recording guitar? Ideally I’d get MIDI Guitar working. Logic Pro was crashing a lot last night trying to record audio, and I couldn’t get MG3 to work without crashing. I’ve gotten everything setup in AUM before, but I’d like to translate that to a timeline based DAW.

vlaoladis · January 26

@FizzyLizzy27 said:
Which DAW would others say best handles MIDI controller mapping/routing along with audio recording? I really want to get a DAW setup focused on using my Launchkey for keys, finger drumming, and transport controls while also recording guitar? Ideally I’d get MIDI Guitar working. Logic Pro was crashing a lot last night trying to record audio, and I couldn’t get MG3 to work without crashing. I’ve gotten everything setup in AUM before, but I’d like to translate that to a timeline based DAW.

The great question.
Just yesterday I decided to give Cubasis a chance, looking at this thread. All I wanted is to send several controllers (KeyLab and it's faders + BT Boss continuous pedal) into my own dRambo MIDI FX plugin that takes CCs on channel 16 and transforms them to other CCs on channel 1 with special logic. And then send this result signal to SWAM instrument without original ch.16 CCs. And it seems to be impossible without creating a separate instrument-less track for MIDI processing only.
In all possible 1-track configurations I faced an issue that ch.16 somehow reaches the instrument no matter what I do. It looks like MIDI FX isn't an "insert" FX chain but a "parallel" one. Also all the MIDI monitors (MIDI Tools, StreamByter, Mozaic) didn't work correctly inside this MIDI FX chain.

@frosttrance_7 said:
Seems like no one is talking about MultitrackStudio. I never tried it, but it seems very advanced.

I tried it but had to refund, again because of too limited FX (audio and midi) routing

FizzyLizzy27 · January 26

Do these DAWs just struggle for routing MIDI between tracks? Is the best way to go running AUM for MIDI and audio routing, then piping that audio into something like Cubasis through IAA? Would that detract from the benefits of Cubasis’s multi-core processing? I also feel like relying on IAA is building on pillars of sand at this point. Most apps are dropping support.

wim · January 26

@FizzyLizzy27 said:
Do these DAWs just struggle for routing MIDI between tracks? Is the best way to go running AUM for MIDI and audio routing, then piping that audio into something like Cubasis through IAA? Would that detract from the benefits of Cubasis’s multi-core processing? I also feel like relying on IAA is building on pillars of sand at this point. Most apps are dropping support.

Using IAA for routing is a house of cards, as you've said.

However, handling MIDI processing and routing in AUM, and routing the resulting MIDI into Cubasis isn't a bad plan when Cubasis can't handle what you want well internally. Simply routing MIDI doesn't rely on IAA, and should be solid into the future. (Though I wouldn't put it past Apple to screw that up some day either.)

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DAW recommendations for iPad.

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