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NEW APP: Super J8 - Inspired by Jupiter-8

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  • @GLacey said:
    Amazing app! I wish it could be run on Mac as well, like King of FM. @AnalogMatthew is it possible?

    Yeah it would be lovely, I went to buy it on my Mac App Store the other day just presuming it would be there😅

  • edited February 15

    @rapidfire said:
    Here is Dr Mix off YouTube top 10 Synths of all time, the two starred items are @AnalogMatthew next synths on his list for us, notice Jupiter 8 is #2

    A rather subjective list. At least the PPG wave/waveterm, the Synclavier II , and the Korg MS20 should be listed as well. So cut the "10" in the headline – it's not an Olympic competition – and extend the list to include the ones which deserve it, because of their influence in music history …

  • @Ploe said:

    @rapidfire said:
    Here is Dr Mix off YouTube top 10 Synths of all time, the two starred items are @AnalogMatthew next synths on his list for us, notice Jupiter 8 is #2

    A rather subjective list. At least the PPG wave/waveterm, the Synclavier II , and the Korg MS20 should be listed as well. So cut the "10" in the headline – it's not an Olympic competition – and extend the list to include the ones which deserve it, because of their influence in music history …

    This list is based on their influence on the music history according to Dr Mix, in his run down of the 10 instruments he mentioned how many units were sold, how popular they were and which ones are still relevant today 👍
    I just wanted to point out @AnalogMatthew choice of instruments he is going to base his new apps on and their popularity according to that list, just a bit of fun really.
    Mike🍻

  • I have so many synths but this Jupiter 8 it a no- brainer for me as it has been such a major force in electronic music. My question is, how do you think it will be for Ambient type stuff? I realize pretty much any synth pretty much can do Ambient with enough reverb. Haha
    I’ve watched some demos on the hardware Jupiter and haven’t really heard much Ambient stuff. I guess for ten bucks I should just get it and try it out for myself. 😍

  • @colorsinspace said:
    I have so many synths but this Jupiter 8 it a no- brainer for me as it has been such a major force in electronic music. My question is, how do you think it will be for Ambient type stuff? I realize pretty much any synth pretty much can do Ambient with enough reverb. Haha
    I’ve watched some demos on the hardware Jupiter and haven’t really heard much Ambient stuff. I guess for ten bucks I should just get it and try it out for myself. 😍

    There’s a buncha CYMATIC presets that would lend themselves to ambient stuff, as per usual from the creator (they made some realllllll cool basses too. Dare I say…”crucial”) 👍

  • @Squishy said:

    @colorsinspace said:
    I have so many synths but this Jupiter 8 it a no- brainer for me as it has been such a major force in electronic music. My question is, how do you think it will be for Ambient type stuff? I realize pretty much any synth pretty much can do Ambient with enough reverb. Haha
    I’ve watched some demos on the hardware Jupiter and haven’t really heard much Ambient stuff. I guess for ten bucks I should just get it and try it out for myself. 😍

    There’s a buncha CYMATIC presets that would lend themselves to ambient stuff, as per usual from the creator (they made some realllllll cool basses too. Dare I say…”crucial”) 👍

    Oh nice. I love CYMATIC stuff!

  • @colorsinspace said:
    I have so many synths but this Jupiter 8 it a no- brainer for me as it has been such a major force in electronic music. My question is, how do you think it will be for Ambient type stuff? I realize pretty much any synth pretty much can do Ambient with enough reverb. Haha
    I’ve watched some demos on the hardware Jupiter and haven’t really heard much Ambient stuff. I guess for ten bucks I should just get it and try it out for myself. 😍

    I empathize with the feeling of having too many synths, and I feel a bit guilty for not using so many of them. At these prices though… Someone on this forum once described it more like a brief experience, similar to a movie. You enjoy it for a couple of hours and move on. I put the icons in folders that I organize by either type of synthesis or “brand” of the dev, so when I’m looking for something I have a starting point. With this one… should it be in the Analog folder or Audio Kit folder? I’m stumped there.

    The videos you watched are likely focused on the Jupiter 8’s iconic sound, which means a lot of 80’s sounds I would imagine. Try watching videos of the Super J-8 Synth version. You already noted that you know how to use effects to create ambient sounds, and I would say that after a quick run through the presets there seem to be a lot of “factory” sounds that would work well for ambient. A synth’s presets are a good way to judge a book by its cover and decide if it is one that I want to spend time learning better and do more than just tweaking presets. The positive reaction to this synth by so many forum members is also a strong indication that this is a synth that is well worth the money. …if you can figure out which folder to put it in.

  • +1 for a real randomiser.
    Every app should have one

  • I didn’t need another synth, certainly.
    But the analog panner is a great feature so I went for it.

    Is anyone else getting a behavior of analog panner set to 5 voices, spind only coming out of the right side/speaker? For a couple presets, When you change amount of voices up or down from 5, they spread around the stereo field, but with just 5, it seems to just come out of the right side. Maybe this is user error.

  • edited February 16

    @Gavinski said:
    About the tabbing system - I think this is designed for phone primarily and probably works pretty well there. My complaint is about what the experience is like on larger devices when you have it sized so there are two layers. Only on the top layer can you jump directly to the tab you want. For the bottom layer you have to cycle through to get to the one you want. Add to that that the preset browser can only be scrolled by tapping on a tab name, rather than the preset name. It's genuinely a confusing system for many users, it could definitely be done better by a) allowing the preset menu to be closed by tapping in the preset name, which is standard on iOS, b) adding a tab menu for the bottom layer.

    (edit to tag in @AnalogMatthew & clear up some typos)

    I’d also like to +1 a request to revise the order in which the tabs cycle when you hit the JP8 button.

    The cycle follows the left to right order of the tabs on the top, which is great.
    1st tap goes to VCO tab ✅
    2nd tap goes to FX tab as per the order at top ✅
    3rd tap goes to ENV tab as per the order at top ✅
    4th tap for to LFO tab as per the order at the top✅

    But then

    5th tap you’d expect to to to the sequencer tab as per the order, but no - it skips ahead and goes to the performance pad tab ❌
    6th tap you’d expect the fader/fx2 tab per the order at top, but no - it goes back to the sequencer tab ❌
    7th tap you’d expect the performance pad tab, per the order, but no, it goes back to the faders/fx2 tab - ❌
    8th tap, back around to the VCO tab.

    If the order is to make the most performative sense, then it would make sense to put the performance pads before the sequencer tab in the top section to harmonize the orders at the top and in the cycle.

    This was similar behavior in the Juno-type synth and it’s quite confusing, imo.

    (& me personally, I’d put the main synth tabs first, then Fx1 & Fx2 later in the order.
    So in my mind it would go main, vco, envelopes, lfos, sequencer, performance pads, then FX1 & FX2, but I know that’s just personal preference)

    Ok thanks for listening!

  • edited February 16

    @AnalogMatthew,

    I’m having fun, but noticing some artifacts when PWM is set to LFO and the LFO action is delayed. I’m aware (from the initial video) that the original Jupiter 8 had something unusual about its PWM, but this artifact isn’t a musical one — more like a blip. For what it’s worth, I used to have a Juno 6; and I don’t remember it having this hiccup. You can see the relevant settings circled in the attached screenshot.

  • @dokwok2 said:
    @AnalogMatthew,

    I’m having fun, but noticing some artifacts when PWM is set to LFO and the LFO action is delayed. I’m aware (from the initial video) that the original Jupiter 8 had something unusual about its PWM, but this artifact isn’t a musical one — more like a blip. For what it’s worth, I used to have a Juno 6; and I don’t remember it having this hiccup. You can see the relevant settings circled in the attached screenshot.

    Yes. It seems like the PWM in LFO mode starts at a random value. Then, after the delay, the LFO modulation begins at the slider value and sweeps back toward 50%. When the starting value matches the slider value, the modulation starts smoothly. Otherwise, there is a glitch. This shows the waveform for the maximum PWM in Manual mode.

    This shows the initial waveform in LFO mode. The long delay prevents the LFO from affecting it, keyboard hold lets me take the screenshot.

    This initial waveform varies with each note. Sometimes it matches the slider setting, sometimes it is 50%, sometimes in between, as shown. Waiting a while between notes makes it more likely to change. I suppose this may be a characteristic of the J8 hardware, or maybe not.

  • @uncledave said:

    @dokwok2 said:
    @AnalogMatthew,

    I’m having fun, but noticing some artifacts when PWM is set to LFO and the LFO action is delayed. I’m aware (from the initial video) that the original Jupiter 8 had something unusual about its PWM, but this artifact isn’t a musical one — more like a blip. For what it’s worth, I used to have a Juno 6; and I don’t remember it having this hiccup. You can see the relevant settings circled in the attached screenshot.

    Yes. It seems like the PWM in LFO mode starts at a random value. Then, after the delay, the LFO modulation begins at the slider value and sweeps back toward 50%. When the starting value matches the slider value, the modulation starts smoothly. Otherwise, there is a glitch. This shows the waveform for the maximum PWM in Manual mode.

    This shows the initial waveform in LFO mode. The long delay prevents the LFO from affecting it, keyboard hold lets me take the screenshot.

    This initial waveform varies with each note. Sometimes it matches the slider setting, sometimes it is 50%, sometimes in between, as shown. Waiting a while between notes makes it more likely to change. I suppose this may be a characteristic of the J8 hardware, or maybe not.

    If I'm not mistaken the basic LFO (LFO1) doesn't reset it's phase on note on. I'd use LFO2 or LFO3 if that feature is needed.

  • I think the LFO in the real Jup8 was always free running.

  • @Slam_Cut said:

    @colorsinspace said:
    I have so many synths but this Jupiter 8 it a no- brainer for me as it has been such a major force in electronic music. My question is, how do you think it will be for Ambient type stuff? I realize pretty much any synth pretty much can do Ambient with enough reverb. Haha
    I’ve watched some demos on the hardware Jupiter and haven’t really heard much Ambient stuff. I guess for ten bucks I should just get it and try it out for myself. 😍

    I empathize with the feeling of having too many synths, and I feel a bit guilty for not using so many of them. At these prices though… Someone on this forum once described it more like a brief experience, similar to a movie. You enjoy it for a couple of hours and move on. I put the icons in folders that I organize by either type of synthesis or “brand” of the dev, so when I’m looking for something I have a starting point. With this one… should it be in the Analog folder or Audio Kit folder? I’m stumped there.

    The videos you watched are likely focused on the Jupiter 8’s iconic sound, which means a lot of 80’s sounds I would imagine. Try watching videos of the Super J-8 Synth version. You already noted that you know how to use effects to create ambient sounds, and I would say that after a quick run through the presets there seem to be a lot of “factory” sounds that would work well for ambient. A synth’s presets are a good way to judge a book by its cover and decide if it is one that I want to spend time learning better and do more than just tweaking presets. The positive reaction to this synth by so many forum members is also a strong indication that this is a synth that is well worth the money. …if you can figure out which folder to put it in.

    Thanks for this nice info! I’ll be picking it up today and I just noticed it also works on the iPhone which is super cool!

  • @drconfusion said:

    @Gavinski said:

    (& me personally, I’d put the main synth tabs first, then Fx1 & Fx 2 later in the order. So only mind it would go main, VCO, enevelopes, lfos, then sequencer, then performance pads, then FX 1 & FX2, bit I know that’s just personal preference)

    Ok thanks for listening!

    I agree with all of your post but specially this last bit. I’m not keen on tabs but realise they’re a necessity evil. The order you list makes the most sense to me

  • @Samu said:

    @uncledave said:

    @dokwok2 said:
    @AnalogMatthew,

    I’m having fun, but noticing some artifacts when PWM is set to LFO and the LFO action is delayed. I’m aware (from the initial video) that the original Jupiter 8 had something unusual about its PWM, but this artifact isn’t a musical one — more like a blip. For what it’s worth, I used to have a Juno 6; and I don’t remember it having this hiccup. You can see the relevant settings circled in the attached screenshot.

    Yes. It seems like the PWM in LFO mode starts at a random value. Then, after the delay, the LFO modulation begins at the slider value and sweeps back toward 50%. When the starting value matches the slider value, the modulation starts smoothly. Otherwise, there is a glitch. This shows the waveform for the maximum PWM in Manual mode.

    This shows the initial waveform in LFO mode. The long delay prevents the LFO from affecting it, keyboard hold lets me take the screenshot.

    This initial waveform varies with each note. Sometimes it matches the slider setting, sometimes it is 50%, sometimes in between, as shown. Waiting a while between notes makes it more likely to change. I suppose this may be a characteristic of the J8 hardware, or maybe not.

    If I'm not mistaken the basic LFO (LFO1) doesn't reset it's phase on note on. I'd use LFO2 or LFO3 if that feature is needed.

    Good point, but that's not what is actually happening. When LFO Delay is enabled for PWM, the pulse width starts at a random value, with no variation. When the delay ends, it jumps to the maximum (slider value) and starts oscillating from there, as if the LFO is being reset to 90° phase. This causes an audible glitch. It seems to me that the PWM should start at either 50% or at the slider value, not at a random position. Or perhaps the LFO Delay should not be used with PWM. (Could the random PWM starting value be the value of the free-running LFO at the start of the note?)

  • @MistaG said:

    @drconfusion said:

    @Gavinski said:

    (& me personally, I’d put the main synth tabs first, then Fx1 & Fx 2 later in the order. So only mind it would go main, VCO, enevelopes, lfos, then sequencer, then performance pads, then FX 1 & FX2, bit I know that’s just personal preference)

    Ok thanks for listening!

    I agree with all of your post but specially this last bit. I’m not keen on tabs but realise they’re a necessity evil. The order you list makes the most sense to me

    +👍🏻

  • Just had a stupid pad selection idea… multi-touch. Press the tab you want in the top (and hold) the press the tab you want at the bottom. But really, separate tab controls for top and bottom would be easier to handle.

  • How about a toggle button. Seems there’s room. Toggle button says “T”, choose top tab. Tap toggle button, it says “B”, choose bottom tab.

  • Very cool synth!
    Great sounding!

    Apologies if asked before, but Is there a keyboard in AU version?

    Also…
    Is @Spidericemidas gonns do some presets? :)
    That’d be cool!

  • This is fantastic. Great work on this one, @AnalogMatthew. I’ve been having a blast with it, so much movement in the sound and the filters sound really good

  • Maybe an odd question, but would anyone have MIDI controller mapping recommendations for a controller with 8 rotaries and 9 faders? I love the synth so far but am having a hard time figuring out a good mapping for my Launchkey 49 Mk3.

  • @id_23 said:
    Very cool synth!
    Great sounding!

    Apologies if asked before, but Is there a keyboard in AU version?

    Also…
    Is @Spidericemidas gonns do some presets? :)
    That’d be cool!

    Sadly not, he said he will no longer make presets or be active here.

    See this:

    https://forum.loopypro.com/discussion/comment/1350402/#Comment_1350402

    Quote:

    "Hi.

    Sorry I cannot be of help here. I no longer make or provide presets for iOS synths.

    I'm sure there will be members here who still have them and would be obliging enough to link you to them.

    I don't use this forum anymore, only checking in if I receive an email notification of a tag or message here.

    Thanks.“

  • @id_23 said:
    Apologies if asked before, but Is there a keyboard in AU version?

    Nope.

  • edited February 18

    @AnalogMatthew I think there is wrong labelling in LFO2/3 where you switch if it is synced or Hz based .. when switch is on "Hz", you actually see values in x/y and when it is "on" you see values in HZ when changing RATE :-)

    Btw. still like this your creation, actually i like it more and more ;) .. tried some more extreme modulations and holds pretty well, nothing is falling apart, really solid ! You did seriously good DSP coding job here !

    I hope you add at some point LFO 40hz max option, then it would be perfect :-)

  • edited February 18

    @FizzyLizzy27 said:
    Maybe an odd question, but would anyone have MIDI controller mapping recommendations for a controller with 8 rotaries and 9 faders? I love the synth so far but am having a hard time figuring out a good mapping for my Launchkey 49 Mk3.

    My Novation Impulse 61 has the same controls as the Launchkey, what is it exactly that you are after?
    I usually have ADSR on the back row of encoders and Filter Frequency, Resonance, Envelope and Keyfollow on the other four, the 9 faders I use for different parameters on different synth apps, the problem I have with my faders is they are a tad noisy and tend to change values unexpectedly, so I mainly stick to the 8 encoders. I could use the faders in Cubasis 3 for the mixer, it has a feature where the faders only respond when they reach the levels already set in Cubasis, this stops the volumes suddenly zooming to zero as soon as you touch them.
    Mike

  • @rapidfire said:

    @FizzyLizzy27 said:
    Maybe an odd question, but would anyone have MIDI controller mapping recommendations for a controller with 8 rotaries and 9 faders? I love the synth so far but am having a hard time figuring out a good mapping for my Launchkey 49 Mk3.

    My Novation Impulse 61 has the same controls as the Launchkey, what is it exactly that you are after?

    Experimentation and sound design. I’m on the newer side of synth design to the point I’ve wrapped my head around the concepts pretty well but I want to physically hit keys, twist knobs, push faders, toggle CC switches, and use an expression pedal while poking around to get a feel for what everything does to the sound. A lot of times I’m playing MIDI Guitar 3 as a controller, so balancing a guitar while tapping glass isn’t ideal.

    Sorry if that’s not helpful in clarifying haha. I’m sure there isn’t a perfect mapping, but zoning out some key controls to learn the synth is the goal.

  • @dendy said:
    @AnalogMatthew I think there is wrong labelling in LFO2/3 where you switch if it is synced or Hz based .. when switch is on "Hz", you actually see values in x/y and when it is "on" you see values in HZ when changing RATE :-)

    Btw. still like this your creation, actually i like it more and more ;) .. tried some more extreme modulations and holds pretty well, nothing is falling apart, really solid ! You did seriously good DSP coding job here !

    I hope you add at some point LFO 40hz max option, then it would be perfect :-)

    60Hz, added yesterday, v 1.0.5.

    • NEW: LFO rate "Hz Boost" option in the About page, now up to 60Hz (use at your own risk)
  • edited February 18

    @wim said:

    @dendy said:
    @AnalogMatthew I think there is wrong labelling in LFO2/3 where you switch if it is synced or Hz based .. when switch is on "Hz", you actually see values in x/y and when it is "on" you see values in HZ when changing RATE :-)

    Btw. still like this your creation, actually i like it more and more ;) .. tried some more extreme modulations and holds pretty well, nothing is falling apart, really solid ! You did seriously good DSP coding job here !

    I hope you add at some point LFO 40hz max option, then it would be perfect :-)

    60Hz, added yesterday, v 1.0.5.

    • NEW: LFO rate "Hz Boost" option in the About page, now up to 60Hz (use at your own risk)

    ❤️

    it is perfect now.

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