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The Difference in Synthesizers?

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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @syrupcore said:

    @sleepless said:
    ^ Indeed, many revered vintage analogs were shockingly bad, build-wise. Especially the SH-101 & MC-202, the latter of which felt like it could snap in half if you merely glanced at it wrong.

    202 for sure but I've had the same SH-101 since 1986. Played a ton of shows with it—didn't even have a case for it for the first 20 years or so! I've had it repaired twice in all that time.

    I've had lots of hardware that never liked my cigarette smoke :p

  • mschenkel.itmschenkel.it

    @u0421793 said:
    What I’d really like is if iVCS3 had more realistic knobs. I mean, they all have a shiny reflection in it, but it’s not a shiny reflection of me (not even naked). What would be a huge improvement would be if, when I start up iVCS3, it briefly takes a photo of what it sees, and uses that as the reflection in the knobs. Even better would be if it senses tilt — pitch, roll and yaw (which iVCS3 already does as a knob controller setting) and uses that as a dynamic distortion map for the reflection. Imagine how much better it would sound then.

    Brilliant. But for the sound part

  • WillWill

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @syrupcore said:

    @sleepless said:
    ^ Indeed, many revered vintage analogs were shockingly bad, build-wise. Especially the SH-101 & MC-202, the latter of which felt like it could snap in half if you merely glanced at it wrong.

    202 for sure but I've had the same SH-101 since 1986. Played a ton of shows with it—didn't even have a case for it for the first 20 years or so! I've had it repaired twice in all that time.

    I've had lots of hardware that never liked my cigarette smoke :p

    Lots of that too come to think of it.

  • sleeplesssleepless

    @syrupcore said:

    @sleepless said:
    ^ Indeed, many revered vintage analogs were shockingly bad, build-wise. Especially the SH-101 & MC-202, the latter of which felt like it could snap in half if you merely glanced at it wrong.

    202 for sure but I've had the same SH-101 since 1986. Played a ton of shows with it—didn't even have a case for it for the first 20 years or so! I've had it repaired twice in all that time.

    Oh, I'm not saying the 101's easily breakable (certainly not built as badly as the mk1 bassstation), but it does make me laugh when people complain that modern Roland gear is plasticky, as if they used to make synths like tanks. Even the largely metal Juno-106 still felt a little fragile. That said, I thought the DSI Prophet 08 felt a little cheap, but that might be because I expect much higher manufacturing quality from a £1400 synth.

  • PeteclagPeteclag

    Get Thor. It will cover at least 96.7% of your needs. One of the easiest synths to program despite the wide variety of sounds it covers.

  • Matt_Fletcher_2000Matt_Fletcher_2000

    @srcer said:

    I like the minimal number of tools approach, glad to hear you've pushed Gadget so far, as that is my main bet getting into all this. Curious what your top picks in the FM, granular, and drum categories are, as I agree whole heartedly that Mersenne sounds great! :)

    Personally:

    FM- FM4 (although I haven't played with it much). IPhophet also sounds amazing but looks more complicated.

    I use iDensity for Granular sounding things (again, simple). However it's not really a synth. People would probably say Poisedon or Mitosynth I expect.

    Drum synths - I LOVE the sound of iElectribe, Elastic Drums and SeekBeats.

  • skiphuntskiphunt

    To be clear... the original post has nothing to do with synth purchasing advice. It was just about synths in general. :)

  • srcersrcer

    @skiphunt said:
    To be clear... the original post has nothing to do with synth purchasing advice. It was just about synths in general. :)

    I guess I better sign up for the appoholics meetings ;)
    If you've got an info addiction to feed, here's a series of articles a friend recommended when I started to ask about all these knobs and patches in synthesizers.
    Sound On Sound: Synth Secrets by Gordon Reid http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/synsec/

    As to the theory of getting any sound you want from synthesis much less a given synth I'll just leave you with this:
    http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?DifferenceBetweenTheoryAndPractice

  • srcersrcer

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
    Personally:

    FM- FM4 (although I haven't played with it much). IPhophet also sounds amazing but looks more complicated.

    I use iDensity for Granular sounding things (again, simple). However it's not really a synth. People would probably say Poisedon or Mitosynth I expect.

    Drum synths - I LOVE the sound of iElectribe, Elastic Drums and SeekBeats.

    Thanks!
    FM4 - another reason I need an iPad
    iDensity and Mitosynth were on the list ;)
    As well as SeekBeats too!

    Elastic Drums is the one I'm trying to learn right now. I feel like I can tap on a table to a rhythm ok, but when trying to enter beats into it all I'm getting is lifeless patterns.

    Do you have both iPhone and iPad iElectribe? If I'm going to get the new iPad eventually is there any reason to get the iPhone version now? Seems silly to buy both, especially at those prices. There's also the question of the Gorillaz Edition. Which is why I held off putting it on the list.

  • srcersrcer

    @Peteclag said:
    Get Thor. It will cover at least 96.7% of your needs. One of the easiest synths to program despite the wide variety of sounds it covers.

    All the cool kids have stuff that's iPad only :(
    That interface does seem like it would be hard to cram into the iPhone screen, but hey Gadget did it!

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @srcer said:

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
    Personally:

    FM- FM4 (although I haven't played with it much). IPhophet also sounds amazing but looks more complicated.

    I use iDensity for Granular sounding things (again, simple). However it's not really a synth. People would probably say Poisedon or Mitosynth I expect.

    Drum synths - I LOVE the sound of iElectribe, Elastic Drums and SeekBeats.

    Thanks!
    FM4 - another reason I need an iPad
    iDensity and Mitosynth were on the list ;)
    As well as SeekBeats too!

    Elastic Drums is the one I'm trying to learn right now. I feel like I can tap on a table to a rhythm ok, but when trying to enter beats into it all I'm getting is lifeless patterns.

    Do you have both iPhone and iPad iElectribe? If I'm going to get the new iPad eventually is there any reason to get the iPhone version now? Seems silly to buy both, especially at those prices. There's also the question of the Gorillaz Edition. Which is why I held off putting it on the list.

    Elastic Drums - make good use of the Length setting in the sequencer settings for each seperate drum - a good way to interesting patterns :)

  • sleeplesssleepless

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @srcer said:

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
    Personally:

    FM- FM4 (although I haven't played with it much). IPhophet also sounds amazing but looks more complicated.

    I use iDensity for Granular sounding things (again, simple). However it's not really a synth. People would probably say Poisedon or Mitosynth I expect.

    Drum synths - I LOVE the sound of iElectribe, Elastic Drums and SeekBeats.

    Thanks!
    FM4 - another reason I need an iPad
    iDensity and Mitosynth were on the list ;)
    As well as SeekBeats too!

    Elastic Drums is the one I'm trying to learn right now. I feel like I can tap on a table to a rhythm ok, but when trying to enter beats into it all I'm getting is lifeless patterns.

    Do you have both iPhone and iPad iElectribe? If I'm going to get the new iPad eventually is there any reason to get the iPhone version now? Seems silly to buy both, especially at those prices. There's also the question of the Gorillaz Edition. Which is why I held off putting it on the list.

    Elastic Drums - make good use of the Length setting in the sequencer settings for each seperate drum - a good way to interesting patterns :)

    Elastic Drums comes to life when you record automation of its phenomenal amount of tweakable parameters. Amazing app.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @sleepless said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @srcer said:

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
    Personally:

    FM- FM4 (although I haven't played with it much). IPhophet also sounds amazing but looks more complicated.

    I use iDensity for Granular sounding things (again, simple). However it's not really a synth. People would probably say Poisedon or Mitosynth I expect.

    Drum synths - I LOVE the sound of iElectribe, Elastic Drums and SeekBeats.

    Thanks!
    FM4 - another reason I need an iPad
    iDensity and Mitosynth were on the list ;)
    As well as SeekBeats too!

    Elastic Drums is the one I'm trying to learn right now. I feel like I can tap on a table to a rhythm ok, but when trying to enter beats into it all I'm getting is lifeless patterns.

    Do you have both iPhone and iPad iElectribe? If I'm going to get the new iPad eventually is there any reason to get the iPhone version now? Seems silly to buy both, especially at those prices. There's also the question of the Gorillaz Edition. Which is why I held off putting it on the list.

    Elastic Drums - make good use of the Length setting in the sequencer settings for each seperate drum - a good way to interesting patterns :)

    Elastic Drums comes to life when you record automation of its phenomenal amount of tweakable parameters. Amazing app.

    Yeah go wild with ED :)

  • srcersrcer

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @sleepless said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @srcer said:

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
    Personally:

    FM- FM4 (although I haven't played with it much). IPhophet also sounds amazing but looks more complicated.

    I use iDensity for Granular sounding things (again, simple). However it's not really a synth. People would probably say Poisedon or Mitosynth I expect.

    Drum synths - I LOVE the sound of iElectribe, Elastic Drums and SeekBeats.

    Thanks!
    FM4 - another reason I need an iPad
    iDensity and Mitosynth were on the list ;)
    As well as SeekBeats too!

    Elastic Drums is the one I'm trying to learn right now. I feel like I can tap on a table to a rhythm ok, but when trying to enter beats into it all I'm getting is lifeless patterns.

    Do you have both iPhone and iPad iElectribe? If I'm going to get the new iPad eventually is there any reason to get the iPhone version now? Seems silly to buy both, especially at those prices. There's also the question of the Gorillaz Edition. Which is why I held off putting it on the list.

    Elastic Drums - make good use of the Length setting in the sequencer settings for each seperate drum - a good way to interesting patterns :)

    Elastic Drums comes to life when you record automation of its phenomenal amount of tweakable parameters. Amazing app.

    Yeah go wild with ED :)

    Thanks guys! I'll keep trying, maybe look for some more videos that break it down. I know I've heard good stuff from other people, so it's just me that needs an education

  • BellowsBellows

    Skiphunt,
    you have just generated hundreds of hours of experience and excellent advice.
    So now you get my two cents.

    ALL of this experience is overkill. What you need to do is learn synthesis.
    Take ONE of your apps and learn what it can do. Learn how it works. Learn how to use it musically in a way you appreciate. This is not as exciting as trying all the presets in many apps but will serve you in the long run.

    All of the synth apps are deep and there is much to experiment with. You can make music with most anything. Take spoons for instance. To use them for music there is much to learn.
    Find your way to enjoy a particular App. You will never learn ALL there is to learn about any given app BUT it will teach you more about ALL apps.
    Have fun.
    Soapbox mode off,
    Bellows

  • skiphuntskiphunt
    edited March 5

    @Bellows Wow 🤩 this is a blast from the past. A reply to a post I made in 2016?!

    Ok. 👍

    I hear ya, but my interests have evolved since 2016. Though, I have actually moved somewhat in that direction to some extent. To be honest, I’ve lost a little interest in audio stuff lately. At the moment I’m obsessed with both reconstituting and testing my old studio photo gear like reforming the capacitor la in my elinchrom strobes… putting together some mobile lighting gear using high power flashlights that have great nichia 519a LEDs, and trying to cook up ideas for a possible art/video/documentary thing.

    I’ll meander back to audio fun eventually, but right now I’m re-focusing on my core competency which is photography and graphics. At the moment I’m only visiting audio stuff for quick distraction from the daily horrific news cycle via fun little audio apps that don’t demand much time investment.

    Thanks 🙏 for the suggestions though! :)

  • wimwim
    edited March 6

    Ahhh jeez man. I read this thread for almost 30 minutes before I realized it was a decade old. 😂

    I felt it was the least I cold do to bump it with yet another comment.

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic
    edited March 6

    Damn! So many names in this thread I recognize but haven't seen in a long time! I miss these folks.

    Anyways Skip, this book was invaluable to me.

    https://a.co/d/09loVcnn

    I wonder if I still have my old copy laying around somewhere. 🤔💭

    Edit - And since this thread is near a decade old, how've you gotten on with learning synthesis Skip?

  • SquishySquishy

    @wim
    I saw how old it was and still read it haha! As a newish member to forum with very minimal familiarity with synthesizers/sis, I learned sooooo much! And it made me appreciate what the new j8 is all about and why it’s so fawned over. Great thread, much wow 🤙

  • FizzyLizzy27FizzyLizzy27

    @wim said:
    Ahhh jeez man. I read this thread for almost 30 minutes before I realized it was a decade old. 😂

    I felt it was the least I cold do to bump it with yet another comment.

    What’s the tl;dr?

  • wimwim
    edited March 6

    @FizzyLizzy27 said:

    @wim said:
    Ahhh jeez man. I read this thread for almost 30 minutes before I realized it was a decade old. 😂

    I felt it was the least I cold do to bump it with yet another comment.

    What’s the tl;dr?

    Yes.

  • FizzyLizzy27FizzyLizzy27

    @wim said:

    @FizzyLizzy27 said:

    @wim said:
    Ahhh jeez man. I read this thread for almost 30 minutes before I realized it was a decade old. 😂

    I felt it was the least I cold do to bump it with yet another comment.

    What’s the tl;dr?

    Yes.

    👍🏼

  • Fruitbat1919Fruitbat1919

    Its entertaining looking back in time :)

    Around Thirty years before this thread was made. A few school friends and I had manged to beg, buy and borrow enough gear to form a band. We were crap and we probably spent more time making band posters than learning to play anything. I probably cared more about girls and fishing to be honest. Making music was hard work lol.

    Ten years before this thread originally started, I had a room full of hardware. Some of it analog, some of it digital. Some of it quite desired now. My music was pretty pants though, but was fun to do! I really wanted to make music that some others would like. I only have the time to make music once a week if that - lots happening in my life.

    At the time of this thread, due to life circumstances, I only had an iPad. My music was better! Still was having fun! I still cared what others thought about my music and learning from others. Play with sound a lot and have more time to do it! Kind of thought too much about the end results though.

    Now I have an iPad, multiple Macs, some hardware and lots of controllers. My music has definetly improved! I no longer post my music or seek the approval of others, but still learn from others. I enjoy my music making much more, as I no longer am looking at the end goal, just enjoying the journey. I have way more time to make and enjoy my music making.

    I will report back in ten more years, if I'm still around....

  • lasselulasselu

    Hm, you pretty much just described me... :) Except maybe the posting music part which I still do now and then...

  • Edward_AlexanderEdward_Alexander

    TLDR:

    Drambo

  • FizzyLizzy27FizzyLizzy27

    @Edward_Alexander said:
    TLDR:

    Drambo

    Really does seem to be the answer to life. Right up there with 42.

  • skiphuntskiphunt
    edited March 6

    It’s wild for me to read my posts from a decade ago… remembering how obsessively interested I used to be to learn more about this stuff. I kinda miss those late nights trying to overcome iOS audio app learning curves and eventually figuring it out (sometimes. sometimes not).

    I would say that I eventually lost interest, but that’s not entirely true. I still get a thrill from the innovative, unique iOS audio app offerings that come out ever so often… but more from the aspects of innovation, creative design and artistry of some of the developers pushing the envelope with brand new approaches, or even new minimalist ways of doing something legacy that cuts through overly complex design structure.

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