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Crazed rant due to iOS music making apps

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  • RUST( i )KRUST( i )K

    @brambos said:
    My prediction is that [upcoming app] will finally deliver on [my particular iOS needs].

    :D

    FFFFF UUUUUUU

    FFFFFFF MEEEEE

  • robosardinerobosardine
    edited September 2018

    @Rich303 said:
    This is why I stick with apps like Gadget and Electribe Wave. I use them only on their own. None of that Frankenstein shit with a combination of apps or AUs. It ain’t worth it for me. The simplicity of one app keeps me focused on what I intend to do with no trouble at all. Gone are the days of chasing down the next “game changer”. That shit’s all hype created by people with the lack of skills needed to work with what they already have. Less is more.

    Brilliant 😅

    It may be of interest for some readers to note - there is an original Frankenstein shit on display inside the National Museum of Rumania. It is in almost original condition but for a few loose stitches around the edges.

  • wimwim
    edited September 2018

    I guess I'm different than most folks. iOS issues almost never get me down. To me they're all in perspective with the rest of life. I've never understood why people have such drastically less tolerance for computer issues than other aspects of life. A few extra mouse clicks here or there, a less than optimal interface, a bit of difficulty transferring files between applications become such a huge frustration. An app that requires any time investment to learn is too intimidating or frustrating to bother with. Why is all this perfectionism and anxiety triggered just because something runs on an electronic device?

    Life is constantly filled with routine things that are far, far worse, and we don't give them a second thought!

    Take just about anything you do and think of the comparative complexity and problems of it. I mean, start with something routine like getting dressed in the morning. How many steps are involved just in that chore? Then there's putting the clothes away, cleaning them, matching them, shopping for them, earning the money to pay for them, replacing them when they wear out...

    Or, preparing a meal. Driving to work Taking a shower. Taking a crap. Making a coffee. Riding a bike. Dealing with a head cold. Brushing your teeth ... the shallowest surface analysis of any of these is far more complex and problem prone than the most convoluted iOS tasks. Why, because it runs on an electronic device are the comparatively small difficulties so drastically magnified? Why does it destroy our "creative groove" whenever we run into a little hiccup.

    And in a musical context, why, why, why do we expect that to be easy???? Until now when has it ever been easy to make music? When has it been uncomplicated to play any instrument? I don't get frustrated that I have to tune my guitar, change the strings, practice scales, plug it into something, etc, etc. I don't get frustrated that I suck at playing keyboards, I get satisfaction at seeing myself get better at it.

    Sorry, I don't mean any of this to be preachy. I just have a thing that helps me not to experience the frustration I see so many people suffering from centered around computing devices and thought it might help someone.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @wim said:
    I guess I'm different than most folks. iOS issues almost never get me down. To me they're all in perspective with the rest of life. I've never understood why people have such drastically less tolerance for computer issues than other aspects of life. A few extra mouse clicks here or there, a less than optimal interface, a bit of difficulty transferring files between applications become such a huge frustration. An app that requires any time investment to learn is too intimidating or frustrating to bother with. Why is all this perfectionism and anxiety triggered just because something runs on an electronic device?

    Life is constantly filled with routine things that are far, far worse, and we don't give them a second thought!

    Take just about anything you do and think of the comparative complexity and problems of it. I mean, start with something routine like getting dressed in the morning. How many steps are involved just in that chore? Then there's putting the clothes away, cleaning them, matching them, shopping for them, earning the money to pay for them, replacing them when they wear out...

    Or, preparing a meal. Driving to work Taking a shower. Taking a crap. Making a coffee. Riding a bike. Dealing with a head cold. Brushing your teeth ... the shallowest surface analysis of any of these is far more complex and problem prone than the most convoluted iOS tasks. Why, because it runs on an electronic device are the comparatively small difficulties so drastically magnified? Why does it destroy our "creative groove" whenever we run into a little hiccup.

    And in a musical context, why, why, why do we expect that to be easy???? Until now when has it ever been easy to make music? When has it been uncomplicated to play any instrument? I don't get frustrated that I have to tune my guitar, change the strings, practice scales, plug it into something, etc, etc. I don't get frustrated that I suck at playing keyboards, I get satisfaction at seeing myself get better at it.

    Sorry, I don't mean any of this to be preachy. I just have a thing that helps me not to experience the frustration I see so many people suffering from centered around computing devices and thought it might help someone.

    Because sometimes, when you’re having a really, really shitty life - and you’ve had a really, really bad week, and have been looking forward to spending the few quid you have spare on a new musical app you’ve been reading about, on Saturday night....and it doesn’t work properly....and you spend Saturday night instead trying to get it to work....it’s the straw that breaks the camels back.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    Sharing, discussion, rethinking, trading ideas etc - it’s all very therapeutic.

    Is this important in the big scheme of things? Yes, it actually is! Without sharing what we love, most of us would just wither away.

    Many think that work and money are more important, but sharing what we love (and sometimes when that love makes us feel frustrated) is core to our social being.

    Many of us share in different ways here - advice, sounds, songs, technique, opinions, time and sometimes just an ear - all very important.

    Sometimes creativity and technology are made to test not only our resolve, but our patience too - problem is these qualities sometimes become more scarce as we age - sometimes we just want stuff to work how it’s meant to. Other times our sheds are enough :)

  • rs2000rs2000

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    Sharing, discussion, rethinking, trading ideas etc - it’s all very therapeutic.

    Is this important in the big scheme of things? Yes, it actually is! Without sharing what we love, most of us would just wither away.

    Many think that work and money are more important, but sharing what we love (and sometimes when that love makes us feel frustrated) is core to our social being.

    Many of us share in different ways here - advice, sounds, songs, technique, opinions, time and sometimes just an ear - all very important.

    Sometimes creativity and technology are made to test not only our resolve, but our patience too - problem is these qualities sometimes become more scarce as we age - sometimes we just want stuff to work how it’s meant to. Other times our sheds are enough :)

    Wise words :smiley:

  • anicktanickt

    @MobileMusic said:
    I’m waiting for Apple’s Oct/Nov event with rumored LPX and FCPX announcements for iOS

    My current working RAID for FCPX has nearly 5 TB of video files on it. How are they going to deal with that I wonder?

  • mindscapermindscaper

    @brice said:

    @mindscaper said:
    My gut feeling is that nanostudio the second will satisfy even the most fussy iOS music maker


    Curious as to why your gut feels that way?

    Cause before AB and all this connectivity and app addiction ns1 was bread and butter to many happy people- affordable, super stable, easy to use and great results

    So the second version will include the needs of the present state of iOS music making im sure

  • MobileMusicMobileMusic
    edited September 2018

    @anickt said:

    @MobileMusic said:
    I’m waiting for Apple’s Oct/Nov event with rumored LPX and FCPX announcements for iOS

    My current working RAID for FCPX has nearly 5 TB of video files on it. How are they going to deal with that I wonder?

    FCPX Compact version for iOS, maybe?
    Or buy iCloud storage for extra space? $$ :neutral:
    Or allow access to files on your hard drives from iOS?
    :smiley:

  • wimwim
    edited September 2018

    @MonzoPro said:

    @wim said:
    I guess I'm different than most folks. iOS issues almost never get me down. To me they're all in perspective with the rest of life. I've never understood why people have such drastically less tolerance for computer issues than other aspects of life. A few extra mouse clicks here or there, a less than optimal interface, a bit of difficulty transferring files between applications become such a huge frustration. An app that requires any time investment to learn is too intimidating or frustrating to bother with. Why is all this perfectionism and anxiety triggered just because something runs on an electronic device?

    Life is constantly filled with routine things that are far, far worse, and we don't give them a second thought!

    Take just about anything you do and think of the comparative complexity and problems of it. I mean, start with something routine like getting dressed in the morning. How many steps are involved just in that chore? Then there's putting the clothes away, cleaning them, matching them, shopping for them, earning the money to pay for them, replacing them when they wear out...

    Or, preparing a meal. Driving to work Taking a shower. Taking a crap. Making a coffee. Riding a bike. Dealing with a head cold. Brushing your teeth ... the shallowest surface analysis of any of these is far more complex and problem prone than the most convoluted iOS tasks. Why, because it runs on an electronic device are the comparatively small difficulties so drastically magnified? Why does it destroy our "creative groove" whenever we run into a little hiccup.

    And in a musical context, why, why, why do we expect that to be easy???? Until now when has it ever been easy to make music? When has it been uncomplicated to play any instrument? I don't get frustrated that I have to tune my guitar, change the strings, practice scales, plug it into something, etc, etc. I don't get frustrated that I suck at playing keyboards, I get satisfaction at seeing myself get better at it.

    Sorry, I don't mean any of this to be preachy. I just have a thing that helps me not to experience the frustration I see so many people suffering from centered around computing devices and thought it might help someone.

    Because sometimes, when you’re having a really, really shitty life - and you’ve had a really, really bad week, and have been looking forward to spending the few quid you have spare on a new musical app you’ve been reading about, on Saturday night....and it doesn’t work properly....and you spend Saturday night instead trying to get it to work....it’s the straw that breaks the camels back.

    Sure, in context you could say that about any outlet. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the relative stress induced by difficulties with iOS apps in general. Put into context with the rest of my life, I find iOS music making to just be a ball of fun and the least of my worries. ymmv. ;)

    Anyway, 'nuff said. I realize what I offered as food for thought is either going to irritate or help people. -peace

  • db909db909

    @Rich303 said:
    This is why I stick with apps like Gadget and Electribe Wave. I use them only on their own. None of that Frankenstein shit with a combination of apps or AUs. It ain’t worth it for me. The simplicity of one app keeps me focused on what I intend to do with no trouble at all. Gone are the days of chasing down the next “game changer”. That shit’s all hype created by people with the lack of skills needed to work with what they already have. Less is more.

    +1

  • KühlKühl
    edited September 2018

    @Rich303 said:
    This is why I stick with apps like Gadget and Electribe Wave. I use them only on their own. None of that Frankenstein shit with a combination of apps or AUs. It ain’t worth it for me. The simplicity of one app keeps me focused on what I intend to do with no trouble at all. Gone are the days of chasing down the next “game changer”. That shit’s all hype created by people with the lack of skills needed to work with what they already have. Less is more.

    I play ultra clean with only Plectrum

  • BroCoastBroCoast

    I find it frustrating to have crashes when you've just come across something good. I have a knack of making apps bug out.

    Sometimes it's better not to expect music as a result. Time spent making patches & organising/editing samples is important for using an iPad.

    I used to try and make songs like I would on a computer but that's kind of not taking advantage of how instant & spontaneous you can be with the iPad. Now I like to make ideas, commit to audio and just collect sample fodder rather than trying to make songs. Then I can take advantage of the portability of the device and piece it together anywhere I want.

  • wimwim

    @Kühl said:

    @Rich303 said:
    This is why I stick with apps like Gadget and Electribe Wave. I use them only on their own. None of that Frankenstein shit with a combination of apps or AUs. It ain’t worth it for me. The simplicity of one app keeps me focused on what I intend to do with no trouble at all. Gone are the days of chasing down the next “game changer”. That shit’s all hype created by people with the lack of skills needed to work with what they already have. Less is more.

    I play ultra clean with only Plectrum

    I badly need a plectrum with quantize options.

  • audiobussyaudiobussy

    @anickt said:

    @MobileMusic said:
    I’m waiting for Apple’s Oct/Nov event with rumored LPX and FCPX announcements for iOS

    My current working RAID for FCPX has nearly 5 TB of video files on it. How are they going to deal with that I wonder?

    NAS - Network attached storage likes Synology — Works perfectly with LumaFusion, FileBrowser, etc.

  • anicktanickt

    @MobileMusic said:

    @anickt said:

    @MobileMusic said:
    I’m waiting for Apple’s Oct/Nov event with rumored LPX and FCPX announcements for iOS

    My current working RAID for FCPX has nearly 5 TB of video files on it. How are they going to deal with that I wonder?

    FCPX Compact version for iOS, maybe?
    Or buy iCloud storage for extra space? $$
    Or allow access to files on your hard drives from iOS?
    :smiley:

    I choose door number 3!

  • ruggedsmoothruggedsmooth

    I was getting fed up with issues and state saving etc on iOS

    Lately I use either Gadget (+Xequence if don’t want to use Gadget sequencer)
    Or AB3 + AUM + Xequence + Au3 instruments

    Nice and stable and now with iOS12 and the increased memory for audio units it’s dare I say it a game changer.

    I have been slipping back to Desktop stuff but it’s so expensive

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited September 2018

    Click on it to see the mood.

  • MobileMusicMobileMusic

    @audiobussy said:

    @anickt said:

    @MobileMusic said:
    I’m waiting for Apple’s Oct/Nov event with rumored LPX and FCPX announcements for iOS

    My current working RAID for FCPX has nearly 5 TB of video files on it. How are they going to deal with that I wonder?

    NAS - Network attached storage likes Synology — Works perfectly with LumaFusion, FileBrowser, etc.

    Heard about that too :smile:

  • MulticellularMulticellular

    I am disappoint of where mobile tech is now. Ten years ago, I was hoping I'd have implants by 2020.

    Who is even working on Humidi? (Human Musical Instrument Digital Interface).

    Need to turn the heat up. I want to be able to Bluetooth to the audience and have them sing backup for new songs they've never heard.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @MonzoPro said:

    @wim said:
    I guess I'm different than most folks. iOS issues almost never get me down. To me they're all in perspective with the rest of life. I've never understood why people have such drastically less tolerance for computer issues than other aspects of life. A few extra mouse clicks here or there, a less than optimal interface, a bit of difficulty transferring files between applications become such a huge frustration. An app that requires any time investment to learn is too intimidating or frustrating to bother with. Why is all this perfectionism and anxiety triggered just because something runs on an electronic device?

    Life is constantly filled with routine things that are far, far worse, and we don't give them a second thought!

    Take just about anything you do and think of the comparative complexity and problems of it. I mean, start with something routine like getting dressed in the morning. How many steps are involved just in that chore? Then there's putting the clothes away, cleaning them, matching them, shopping for them, earning the money to pay for them, replacing them when they wear out...

    Or, preparing a meal. Driving to work Taking a shower. Taking a crap. Making a coffee. Riding a bike. Dealing with a head cold. Brushing your teeth ... the shallowest surface analysis of any of these is far more complex and problem prone than the most convoluted iOS tasks. Why, because it runs on an electronic device are the comparatively small difficulties so drastically magnified? Why does it destroy our "creative groove" whenever we run into a little hiccup.

    And in a musical context, why, why, why do we expect that to be easy???? Until now when has it ever been easy to make music? When has it been uncomplicated to play any instrument? I don't get frustrated that I have to tune my guitar, change the strings, practice scales, plug it into something, etc, etc. I don't get frustrated that I suck at playing keyboards, I get satisfaction at seeing myself get better at it.

    Sorry, I don't mean any of this to be preachy. I just have a thing that helps me not to experience the frustration I see so many people suffering from centered around computing devices and thought it might help someone.

    Because sometimes, when you’re having a really, really shitty life - and you’ve had a really, really bad week, and have been looking forward to spending the few quid you have spare on a new musical app you’ve been reading about, on Saturday night....and it doesn’t work properly....and you spend Saturday night instead trying to get it to work....it’s the straw that breaks the camels back.

    Thats da real deal

  • shiftsynth1shiftsynth1

    @gonekrazy3000 said:
    Well. Ableton live export is so damn useful for me. Build a beat in patterning, do some synth melodies in gadget, etc. Save as ableton projects in Dropbox. Drag and drop all those disparate elements into ableton using it's stellar drag and drop between project abilty and add effects and more complex processing to your heart's content. I never understood this entire concept of either desktop/laptop or iOS. I'm extremely happy using both.

    Hey man, my workflow is getting closer and closer to this. Actually just reinstalled patterning because of your comment. What do you do for synths that are not in gadget? I would love to be able to record some of my Moog ideas and export to Ableton... just don't have a way to easily get my ideas down for stand alone synths besides hooking up Ableton via midimux.

  • XsystXsyst

    @Multicellular said:
    Need to turn the heat up. I want to be able to Bluetooth to the audience and have them sing backup for new songs they've never heard.

    Visionary, I like it.

  • XsystXsyst

    This iOS platform has been around long enough to have matured past the point it currently is at. It is no longer the new kid on the block 10+ years into it.

    I’ve learned to use tools for what they are worth and to not limit myself to one platform.

    iOS has its frustrations as does EuroRack as does Maschine as does .... make music with whatever we want and however we want.

  • kobamotokobamoto

    the joy is in the struggle...

    umm no it isn't.

  • u0421793u0421793

    @Rich303 said:
    …
    None of that Frankenstein shit with a combination of apps or AUs.
    …

    There’s probably a niche for more tutorials about what you describe.

  • gonekrazy3000gonekrazy3000

    @shiftsynth1 said:

    @gonekrazy3000 said:
    Well. Ableton live export is so damn useful for me. Build a beat in patterning, do some synth melodies in gadget, etc. Save as ableton projects in Dropbox. Drag and drop all those disparate elements into ableton using it's stellar drag and drop between project abilty and add effects and more complex processing to your heart's content. I never understood this entire concept of either desktop/laptop or iOS. I'm extremely happy using both.

    Hey man, my workflow is getting closer and closer to this. Actually just reinstalled patterning because of your comment. What do you do for synths that are not in gadget? I would love to be able to record some of my Moog ideas and export to Ableton... just don't have a way to easily get my ideas down for stand alone synths besides hooking up Ableton via midimux.

    Aum records audio into perfect bar length segments when ableton link is on. These clips work perfectly when dropped into live. Eg. If you stop recording 4.5 bars in, aum actually stops recording after 5 bars complete. It's very useful this way. Just use an ableton link capable sequencer to drive the synth hosted in aum.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited September 2018
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  • Slam_CutSlam_Cut

    @mindscaper said:
    My gut feeling is that nanostudio the second will satisfy even the most fussy iOS music maker

    @lukesleepwalker said:
    Except that nano studio the second is vaporware to most of us.

    NS2 is most definitly NOT vaporware. Save your pennies - you will have a happy Christmas. Mindscaper is right.

  • Rich303Rich303

    @Dawdles said:
    @Rich303 said:

    This is why I stick with apps like Gadget and Electribe Wave. I use them only on their own. None of that Frankenstein shit with a combination of apps or AUs. It ain’t worth it for me. The simplicity of one app keeps me focused on what I intend to do with no trouble at all. Gone are the days of chasing down the next “game changer”. That shit’s all hype created by people with the lack of skills needed to work with what they already have. Less is more.

    So gadget and KEW were your gamechangers...everyones looking for different stuff, doesn't necessarily equate to a lack of skill, often wanting/needing something is primarily down to artistic/practical requirements/objectives etc. Which vary infinitely..

    I never said they were game changers. Nothing is really a game changer from what I’ve seen. It’s such an overused phrase that holds little meaning these days. But the thing about Gadget and KEW are that they just work without any complications or stability issues. There’s nothing worse than really getting into a groove and coming across something that stops you dead in your tracks. So I don’t bother with any of that on this platform. I’d rather use Reason and/or hardware where everything is more stable.

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