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Sweet man, I'll definitely be casting lines when I'm over there this year, mackerel's more my pay grade though 😋
I know about VAT, I don’t put the blame on Apple for this, but it doesn’t change the fact that we in EU have to pay more for the same product. Or have I missed something? I’m not an expert in this field.
Use that daily mail phrase one more time, I dare you. !
Lol gladly
Just making a general point that a big chunk of the difference when making currency conversions is actually the VAT and not just Apple greed.
Apple make sure they don’t lose out on the exchange rate fluctuations and we as consumers end up taking the hit for that so Apple are not exactly friendly benefactors.
I may be wrong but I think that some people in the US pay sales tax on top of the price from the AppStore depending on which state they reside in too.
in any case. Apple are masters at making money.
I’m not sure how they manage it, but I don’t believe I’ve ever been charged sales tax, and I live in one of the highest sales tax states in the US. Must be built into the price I guess. Still, we’re talking about maybe 9.25% tops - a far cry from EU Vat.
There are many other factors in the cost of doing business in a region. Those are higher in the EU than the US as well. Apple sure as heck doesn’t eat those costs - they pass them on - and then some.
That is most definitely truth!
Some states (such as California) don't consider sales of downloads taxable...some states do. And Cali's law could change. The App Store charges sales tax in those states where downloads are taxableI believe.
The standard EU rate is 15%, but the UK has set ours at 20%, so the government can take more of our money.
There is no standard rate in Europe.
For example:
Luxembourg 17%
Germany 19%
France 20%
Italy 22%
Ireland 23%
Greece 24%
Sweden 25%
Hungary 27%
LOWEST standard rate then. Sheesh.
That would be 17%! sheesh!
“Under EU law, the standard rate of VAT in any EU state cannot be lower than 15%.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value-added_tax_in_the_United_Kingdom
I really don’t think that’s correct, but if I am wrong could you please enlighten the group about why Apple freely hands out refunds to EU consumers and not to US consumers? It is not a company known for its generosity!
Problem with buying apps is you generally have no guarantee they will work on your device in the way described, without downloading and installing them, since Apple’s testing is random at best. Unless you’re a frequent visitor to forums like this, and wait for others to take the plunge first.
So those with older devices may find apps said to support theirs don’t work well. Or features shown in promotional videos are missing in the final product. Or they keep crashing. Etc.
Like any product you buy that doesn’t work, or is not as advertised at the point of sale, you’re entitled to a refund.
There’s no reason why app sales should be any different, though some seem to think they should be.
I’m not a tax researcher but wasn’t Ireland at 15% which why all of big tech offices are there?
Anyway, seems like make a decent product and then set the rules (headphone jack) is the way to go. I’m still rocking an ssd upgraded 2009 IMac for video editing. It’s great!
Yep. The UK government decided we should pay an extra 5%.
Vat is 23% in Ireland. But Businesses don’t really care about VAT as they don’t pay it. Vat is only for us poor consumers.
Ireland have a much lower rate of corporation tax than most places in the EU. that’s why Apple et al are there. But even then Ireland give even bigger tax breaks to big US companies. Irish companies pay 12.5% corporation tax. Apple Pay something closer to 2%. Fair?
In the UK corporation tax is 19%.
Corporation tax is a big deal especially for a small company. If you do manage to break even the government comes along and stings you for more. Small businesses are fleeced by the UK government. Unfairly so. Just check out the price of business rates for a tiny shop. No wonder the high street is dying.
Bug businesses likes of amazon and Starbucks seem to manage to pay less corporation tax than my tiny company does. Arseholes.
I would like to add that even in Italy (I don't know in the rest of Europe) the refund is not possible for in-app purchases, or at least it is not automatic, unless you avoid downloading it within 14 days.
Well it’s in Apple’s t&c for The UK and at least a few other EU countries I checked, and it is absent from the US t&c. There is a question of whether having agreed to the t&c amounts to express consent, but I will have to leave it to lawyers to answer this. There are reports that serial returners see an additional popup on purchase, requiring them to explicitly confirm that they are waiving their right to a refund. Perhaps Apple has found it isn’t worth its while enforcing this unless there is blatant abuse.
Terms and conditions aren't enforcable if they contradict the trading laws for that country or region.
I've had this arguement with companies before: yes but no but...yes but no....IT'S THE LAW, GIVE ME BACK MY MONEY. Yessir.
God you must be bored - why not make make some music instead
I very much doubt it, but I can find out if you like - I’m lucky enough to to have free legal advice on any subject from my bigmouth solicitor brother in law!
Now, that actually is express consent.
Or perhaps whatever’s in Apple’s T&Cs probably isn’t going to outweigh the law of whatever country they are trading in.
Well Apple's t&c don't contradict UK law on this point, they appear to be drafted to exactly conform with it. (Or actually, both appear to have been drafted to exactly conform with the EU directive.)