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That’s what I thought, I was just responding to Samu, who seemed to suggest they wouldn’t, unless I’ve misunderstood his comment.
I guess whatever happens we’ll have to pay again for the new versions, since there’s additional dev work involved.
My concern is a potential ‘dumbing down’ of the desktop. Already they seem to be pushing OS to look more like iOS. I don’t want that. I don’t want a ‘fun’ machine. It’s for work, it should be serious and boring. That’s why I have an iPad - for the fun stuff.
++1
I think the transition is quite exciting.
You’ve got to think Apple would know they can out perform intel or they wouldn’t announce the transition until they were sure they could. Apple know what’s coming on the intel roadmap after all.
Just like with the transition to intel, this is about performance per Watt. Apple know they will completly trounce intel. At least in the consumer level Macs. The Apple GPUs are also way faster than comparable intel GPUs. Will be interesting to see whether Apple stick to built in GPUs with shared RAM (as they do now with iPads) or whether there will also be discrete GPUs.
Anyway. I’m optimistic. I’m not sure I like everything about the new look for Mac OS 11 which looks a lot like iOS. But it doesn’t look awful. It does look like it could suit touch screens too... 🤫
I saw that developers were talking about that you could block your iOS apps to run on ARM macs (but it needs action on your side).
So maybe this is just what Fabfilter, Eventide, Nembrini, etc. might do then.
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Either that or they’re looking to make more money by keeping it all in house.
Yes, if your "cheap" customers know you block them, they will come and get you
So while i tried to bother some famous developers to iOS, now i think the ones which avoid it until now and forgot about a few extra dollars (but already got ready for such a switch) are the clever people here.
Yes, I’ll plus 2 that. I don’t need widgets, New emojis, and whatever else. What I need is for logic to run as powerfully and efficiently as possible, for UAD to continue to run well, for it to remain easy to manage files, and to be reliable.
When I am tracking a live recording, I absolutely do not want pop ups, messages, anything else. I do put it on do not disturb in those situations, and when I don’t need wifi I shut that off, but the more apple devotes to things that don’t involve getting work done, the less that seems to get devoted to stable.
If the switch to their own processors makes work better, then great, I’m all for it.
My ipad is defitely also my “fun machine,” so I love stuff like gadget, where I can pretend I know how to make EDM once in a while, etc.
But I also use it to control things during live shows (like monitor mixing or remote operation of the foh mixer) and again, at that time, I just need things to work.
Just so I don’t give the impression that I’m all complaints about apple, my 2018 ipad and apple pencil has been an extremely useful and fruitful purchase and still runs really well. I love being and to write on ipad- with my adhd, keeping track of paper is a challenge, but keeping notes in goodnotes really has changed my life for the better. If the pencil is more integrated into ios14, I think that’s a good thing, it’s a nice way to interact with the screen.
To the various people saying Xcode in iPad would be cool, and it'll definately come etc
Are you developers. Do you even use it? If so what for, and what will you use it for on an iPad if you already have it on a Mac?
anyone in their right mind.
I think @ErrkaPetti has a point here. At home chuck the cable in and work with keyboard, mouse, external screen and on the go do some emergency corrections or proofreading. If the iPad will have more power specially more ram in the next release I don’t see any disadvantage from that. It’s a flexible and ultra portable setup.
But who am I to say
OK, well, go learn MacOS and iOS development for a few months, then let us know if you still think it'd be fun on an iPad.
I'm having a helluva time figuring out what the heck you <are> talking about.
Oh well. It's not like it matters. I'm done. -peace
With a large screen iPad and a mouse and keyboard input, Xcode development wouldn't probably be too much different on an iPad to on an MacBook.
But if you already have a MacBook or a Mac (I find when using Xcode code you really need the real estate of a huge screen, especially dealing with complex storyboard so its a bit cramped even with a MacBook Pro for example), then apart from something like travel convenience, where you are going on vacation and want to just carry an iPad and your workplace calls you up on vacation with some showstopper issue.
Or to eliminate the inconvenience of connecting an iPad to the MacBook, I can't think of any other advantages of using an iPad for development if you already have a Mac.
Maybe there's lots of people who have an iPad but not a Mac, and are not professional developers, but still want to develop, but I wouldn't think so. So the audience is probably small, so no point IMO in Apple spending time getting Xcode to work on iPad unless its minimal effort for them.
Anyway its not come ;-)
Sigh ... I could answer in great detail but I won't. If you've used Xcode and its interface, the multiple screen areas and editors it needs, the large number of things you need to have on the screen to be effective, etc. I think you would think differently about it.
But honestly I just don't care enough to go into it any further. I have no desire to disabuse people of what they think would be useful, and even less desire to speculate on the future. -cheers.
About iOS14 "developers' self-reported privacy practices", does that mean that each dev should report those ones or their apps will be removed from Appstore??? What about abandoned apps...
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2020/06/apple-reimagines-the-iphone-experience-with-ios-14/
https://variety.com/2020/digital/news/apple-unveils-ios-14-usability-enhanced-privacy-1234644910/
So if we can run iPad apps on an ARM Mac with 16gb ram, does that mean we can have a 100+ channel AUM session?
It's not a great idea for a hardware vendor to disclose a future that makes current purchases seem like dead ends. It creates an incentive to wait and revenue suffers.
I guess the thinking here is that developers need to know where and how to invest to
stay relevant with Apple's hardware.
I can see that the noise will be with us for a good while as we try and guess what will and
won't stay relevant in the future mix of new products.
Not really comparable. You can't run the types of software you want to run on your computer on a supercomputer. The architecture is completely different, as is the way that you write programs.
It is, and I wish Apple luck. Also hope some other hardware companies use this as an excuse to compete (I'd love a good ARM linux laptop). But until we see details there are reasons to be skeptical. This makes a lot of sense for Apple financially, but there are a lot of problems once you get away from laptops that there's no evidence Apple has solved.
But what does outperform mean (and honestly AMD are the ones to beat for raw performance, and has been for a while)? For laptops ARM makes a lot of sense, and I suspect it will work well because I think Apple has been planning this for a few years. A lot of recent moves, such as Metal, changes to IOS and some of the hardware they've been working on makes a lot of sense. But for desktop machines I'm not so sure. It's not as simple as just increasing the power and getting more performance - engineering doesn't work that way. Designs that make sense for low power, don't necessarily make sense for high power. Apple has very little experience with building silicon for high performance stuff.
But here's the thing - if Apple loses the desktop market, it doesn't really matter. They don't make much money there. They lost the TV/film stuff years ago. They make their money with laptops, iMacs and iPads/iPhones. So the risk may be worth it to them. Worst case scenario they'll end up with a laptop that can seriously out perform the competition and lose the not terribly profitable desktop market.
Yeah, but nobody who cares about performance uses Intel GPUs, or Apple computers for that matter. Apple's been pretty useless for 3D stuff for a long time now. nVidia is where's it at.
The thing is, you don’t have a Mac, you go all in on iPad Pro, and, still wants to code/compile some nice stuff...
It’s not just doing the actual work itself, but as I mentioned with web design on the iPad in another thread, the project/business management stuff that has to be done as well, if you’re doing the work professionally. Spreadsheets, invoicing, stock control, tax returns. All the boring stuff.
The file management on iOS is crap. It’s Noddy Time. It’s alright for making a bit of music and doing a few graphics, but you can’t scale that up and run a business on it. I’m sure some people do (some of my clients, who keep getting in a right old mess), but it will never be as easy or manageable as using a desktop/laptop OS.
This is always the danger with Apple. It used to be the platform for professional creatives, but they’ve found they can make more money selling phones and silly apps. The masses want new emojis, and their OS to look like a kids toy shop. They have a habit of removing things that are useful to pros - they stripped a whole bunch of stuff from Pages, for example.
While there are a few benefits, I’m really not feeling excited about all this focus on ‘iOS on desktop’. More apprehensive if anything.
There doesn’t need to be evidence yet. Apple are very secretive.
I mean outperform intel Macs. The Mac Pro is their high performance benchmark. It remains to be seen if they will be able to release an ARM Mac Pro with GPU and CPU performance that matches the intel poweRed Pro.
The Mac Pro has very expensive GPUs. They might not be the fastest GPUs in the world but they are still very powerful compared to anything else in a Mac.
Apple make most of the computer profits in he industry for +£1500 computers. You can accuse Apple of many things but they can’t be accused of not knowing how to make money! :lol;
The iMac is still a popular computer. Sure they sell more laptops. Laptops are more popular than desktops for pcs too.
The desktop market may be small compared to iOS and laptops but it is still very profitable. Apple don’t make cheap desktops.
I didn’t say they did. Apple will first be judged on how the ARM Macs compare to their current intel offerings. The intel Macs like the MacBook airs do have integrated graphics.
More to the point; all of apples devices using A series chips have integrated graphics.
I’m comparing apples with apples :-)
It is entirely Possible that Apple will do as they say and make a big performance jump with the ARM Macs. Maybe not. It’s nice to think that they will.
Whether they will have Macs that are as powerful as the Mac Pro at launch will be debacle. I’d expect the most powerful Macs to be released towards the the end of the ‘two year’ transition.
And whether that will be enough to make gains into the 3D and Tv markets, who knows? They are small markets.
What’s not a small market is games and Macs are crap at games. Nowhere near a match for a gaming PC. And the GPUs are a big part of that.
Perhaps that’s more where Apple are headed. Making Macs that are ‘good enough’ for most gamers — they don’t need to be competitive with top end gaming pcs they just need to be competitive with consoles.
And the new Ps5 and whatever the new Xbox is called have integrated GPUs with shared RAM. Just like Apple SOC. Games were specifically mentioned in the transition segment of the keynote.
I think Apple are far more likely to want to go after that market than the relatively tiny 3D/TV world again. They’ve not been bothered with that market for years. They could easily have made a tower and stuffed nvidia GPUs in it if they wanted to.
Just speculating. And looking forward to seeing what Apple do.
I’m gonna approach this whole thing optimistically. Under no reason to be a pessimist at this point. And from a personal point of view Mads suit my requirements already. I’m not in 3D or TV and am not a gamer.
I remain unashamedly excited about the transition. :-)