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How many make music because of J Dilla?
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So in the last 3 years then? I think I’ve made my case here. Have a nice day.
The repugnance is extraordinary
@Max23 With all due respect museums that honor culture is not limited to African American culture. There are museums for Polish culture, Russian culture, Jewish culture, African culture, Chinese culture, Caribbean culture, Italian culture and so on and so forth...
Being African American is not limited by skin color. My skin is not brown nor black, but I’m considered a part of African American culture.
I make music because of Mantronik, Ced Gee, Marley Marl, Bomb Squad, Dust Brothers & Matt Dike
Cultural identities are not mutually exclusive. (Is that something that really needs to be pointed out?)
Wow, Max. Your bigotry is really ugly. It's really disappointing.
I understand you think you're coming from a logical place, but I fear it comes from a place of ignorance and fear. And certainly a lack of experience. It must be painful to hear this. You are quite categorical in your opinions, but you need to maybe reconsider that you're wrong about race. I would suggest the excellent recent book by Isabel Wilkerson, "Caste." She wrote the excellent book "The Warmth of Other Suns," about the Great Migration of Southern African-Americans to the industrial cities of the Northeast United States.
"Caste" might resonate with you. She suggests that discrimination based on skin color (as you do) is absurd, no more logical than assuming group characteristics based on height or eye color. But that error has led to a caste system that is very real and very damaging. It's quite an illuminating book; the chapter about how Africans do not consider themselves black was especially eye-opening for me.
Here is a condensed adaptation of "Caste" that appeared in The New York Times Magazine.
I'm 'PWM Damaged' since early C64 days and still happy with the condition.
My first exposure to sampling was Paranomia by Art of Noise.
That was about the same time when I got my Amiga with a sampling cartridge and a tracker...
...and early Hip Hop was just starting to get popular in Swedenland.
I've got a very wide taste in music and conclude that every single genre has something for everyone it just takes time to explore
Peace Out!
@Max23 it’s the internet and yes everyone can spout what they want until threads get moderated etc. etc. but for me you are singlehandedly spoiling what was meant to be a celebration of a fine artist with your weird ego, arrogance and ignorance. Isn’t there a ‘Culture Warz’ forum you can take this crap to?
Max, you really need to spend some time learning about the realities that face African Americans. Your opinions seem to be based on an imagined reality. The issues of race in America are issues of ongoing injustice on a scale of which you seem ignorant and only get worse when people ignore it.
So, rather than come across as seeing only humanity--you come across as failing to see humanity and the reality of centuries of suffering imposed on people kidnapped to North America and reviled and dehumanized. The discrimination continues to this day. The suffering hasn't ended nor has the denial --in practice-- of the rights granted to them in the constitution.
Read some books.
That track just begs to be chopped, sampled & flipped
@Max23 good question. American culture is all the cultures I mentioned and more. We are a “melting pot” and LGBTQ is a part of American culture as well.
Culture is not meant to degrade anyone specifically. It is meant to celebrate what makes a group unique and help increase understanding. You definitely don’t have to identify with any group if you choose. I will say the idea of community has helped many cultures improve! We are stronger together.
+1
Can we start this thread over. You know, without Max?
I don’t want to fuel the fire, however, for someone that said music whatever shouldn’t be about race. He sure made this thread about race. When it should be about celebrating this artist’s impact on music. If you’re not American, you won’t understand Americans. I wouldn’t attempt to generalize the German citizens the way you did with Americans. Ignorant and unwanted
If Americans weren't being externally divided along racial/gender/sex/generational (among other) lines, they might come to the collective realization that they are subjects of a ruling class that does not have their best interests at heart. The last time this started to happen was in 2011 during the Occupy Wall Street movement, and they had to pull out all the stops to keep that from happening again.
I’m going to go the @Tarekith route a bit and listen to some jdilla today while working. I e never knowingly listened to his music, but am fascinated by the love many of you have shown for this groundbreaker for so many people. Thanks for the jdilla information throughout.
The race stuff I think needs to stop from here on out in this thread either via dm to the parties or whatever. It’s not only completely off topic, It’s extremely insulting. If it’s in its own thread in off topic, I don’t care because I don’t have to read it, but this great thread is being ruined for no reason at all and I can’t escape it.
Yup.
Hence the last four years, T and his ,”insurrection”.
Still this is about J.Dilla whom I don’t know at all.
I was studying music from Kenya, Senegal, Ghana and South African and
listening to Del the Funky Homosapien, B.O.S.S, Tribe called Quest and De la Soul
when driving to gigs around the time he was releasing stuff.
B.O.S.S by the way was the first female gangster rapper that I had ever heard.
The chorus on one of her tracks is a classic.
“I don’t give a F!!k, not a single F!!k, I don’t give a F!!k, MotherF!!!er”.
Yup that’s the chorus.
I’ll have a look for some of J.Dilla’s tracks to see what all the fuss is about.
🙏🏽
Here’s said track from Boss.
If you're getting kicks out of thinking you're getting people to fly into a rage about something you don't personally care about, then you should know that it looks a lot less like rage and more like disappointment, pity, and embarrassment on your behalf.
I understand the discomfort, but I respect @Max23 thoughts. He presents some strong questions and ideas. I may not agree with how he views American culture and how skin color is a focal point, but the United States is different... a culture in its self.
Dilla made a difference for me and countless others by being original. Being original is the most you can ask of anyone. It’s honest and beautiful.
For me J Dilla opened my ears and eyes to what is actually possible when you use a sampler as an instrument. At the time I didn't know who j Dilla was, but my now wife introduced me to SlumVillage during one of her DJ Sets early in our relationship, and I was just blown away by what I was hearing and feeling. This was music beyond what I was accustomed to. It fit in to that same compartment in my brain and heart that Digable Planets broke open for me in my youth...and it was great to be rekindled later in life.
This in turn led me down the rabbit hole of discovering J Dilla, Madlib, MFDoom, Madvillain, PNS, MosDef, Talib Kweli, DJ Krush, Mecca: 83, Stones Throw label and countless other bands which have influenced and inspired me as a creator.
When passion burns brightly to create the joy and love in ones heart, the world benefits ten fold from these manifestations of our spirits realized in to and for the world.
Gonna drop this here to expand the discussion, because it sums up what Dila did for me, and I love how Mecca:83 frames it all on the first track of this beautiful album:
FWIW: for me, looking back at what J Dilla opened up for us, in my mind, Mecca:83 is a product of this breaking of the mold which J Dilla created and evolved in his short time with us IMHO.🙏🏼💕
Also on Music:
https://music.apple.com/us/album/quiet-moments/1530005795
Closing this one. Max has been warned that he is now banned from discussing politics; that was a pretty obnoxious derailing.