Auria Pro - anyone done any music with it ?

Igneous1

I know this may seems a tad premature considering Auria Pro has only been released a few days ago, but I know some people here are quick learners, my question is - has anyone done any tracks in Auria Pro yet ?

I'm probably going to upgrade to AP, but I'm seeing a fair bit of talk here which is somewhat biased toward how great AP is. It may well be, but I'd be very interested to hear what people are doing with it (even work-in-progress stuff).

Just my take on the pricing issue, yes it's a fair price I think, but I'd imagine people (like me) want to ensure that they will get some use out of it after they've bought, rather than adding it to a list of apps that don't get used, if it doesn't work for them.

null____void

I get a piano part down, add a minimal drum part, and then while working on a third element everything fizzles out and I end up just sending the piano track to my desktop DAW. I don't know that it's Auria, I find it very hard to go deep into any project on an ipad. Just so much quicker/smoother on desktop (I actually am starting to think that it's the touch-aspect and that it lacks the precision of a mouse/keyboard, or sonething).

But also note that I am very much an Auria newbie so a lot of it is me trying to figure the app out. 

jimbomull

I tried doing a simple guitar track. I gave it up as a bad job. Try cutting guitar loops precisely and you will see what I mean. By the time you have messed around trying to time up/position the loops you lose all the momentum. (Long time Reaper user) Auria needs to take a few ideas from Reaper regarding recording loops/multiple takes before it will be even usable for "organic" guitar/vocal recording.

null____void

Does the new apple stylus have a big fat tip like the ones that were out before it? I feel like part of the problem is that the touchscreen requires a certain minimum diameter of contact, which means you fudge a lot when not zoomed in super-close, maybe if there are styluses with thin points it would be more desktop-like. But then again, as people said, Gadget gets it right despite all this.

Can't we just mate Gadget with Auria Pro? Forcibly, if necessary? 

jimbomull

Haha, you got it in one! Gadget is the only daw on the ipad with an interface that actually works. I think Both Auria and Cubasis could learn a lot from the elegant interface.

richardyot

@Igneous1 I did my November SOTMC track with the beta of Auria Pro.

richardyot

@jimbomull said:

I tried doing a simple guitar track. I gave it up as a bad job. Try cutting guitar loops precisely and you will see what I mean. By the time you have messed around trying to time up/position the loops you lose all the momentum. (Long time Reaper user) Auria needs to take a few ideas from Reaper regarding recording loops/multiple takes before it will be even usable for "organic" guitar/vocal recording.

I chop guitar tracks in Auria all the time, the trick is to use the snapping so that you can quickly snap the playhead to bars or beats and it's actually really quick and smooth.

JohnnyGoodyear

@richardyot said:

@jimbomull said:

I tried doing a simple guitar track. I gave it up as a bad job. Try cutting guitar loops precisely and you will see what I mean. By the time you have messed around trying to time up/position the loops you lose all the momentum. (Long time Reaper user) Auria needs to take a few ideas from Reaper regarding recording loops/multiple takes before it will be even usable for "organic" guitar/vocal recording.

I chop guitar tracks in Auria all the time, the trick is to use the snapping so that you can quickly snap the playhead to bars or beats and it's actually really quick and smooth.

I think this is the kind of thing that a lot of us (read: me) don't use/think about and therefore don't benefit from the facility that is on offer. One of my notions about AP is a commitment to digging deeper into one thing for this very reason. For an impatient type 'no no look at me I'm all intuitive I am' it's a challenge, but am reaching the point of accepting that two steps forward and one step back still delivers you one step forever forward

I also believe there's another human nature aspect to music on the iPad which works for some (read: me) than others. I can do some things 'better' on the desktop, of course, but I find it far less intuitive and far more mechanical and this seems to be reflected in the end result. Very much a personal feeling, which I accept is different for different folks....so, again, not a matter of right or wrong, but a mater of knowing thyself etc.

jimbomull

Yeah, snapping works fine with simple strummy chords, but try doing it with fingerstyle, and you will see how difficult it is. The problem is that this type of guitar playing had no real beginning or end to snap to in a loop. it can, however be done bey easily in say, Reaper, as you can literally move the bits of guitar about while they are looping, and Reaper's way of blending the beginning, and end of audio parts. I think the best ipad solution would be some kind of loop chopper whick works while the track/loop is playing.

AudioGus

If I had the time / resources to make music with any tool in any environment it would likely be a room full of gear (and naked ladies naturaly) using Reaper, Renoise, Samplitude, Audiomulch etc.    For me The iPad with Auria Pro is all about being on the go (locked into a commute) and recording material that I can later put on PC and not have to invest tons of time into cleaning up.

 The new audio warping and transient snapping / slicing chops off a large chunk of time for me so that when I do get it into Samplitude on PC it is not a laborious process of chopping and slicing but about creative re-arranging.  I know there are desktop DAWS that can do this but none of mine do and it is nice to do it on road, so Auria Pro wins in that category.  As far as Auria Pro vs Cubasis, the IAA sync is simply fantastic in Auria Pro and I can run Effectrix with anything now (thank you Rim / Sugar Bytes!), so another win.

In the end I do not think the intention is for Auria Pro (or even the ipad) to replace desktop solutions but simply to be a super portable and affordable solution.  Also, for me I dont go into these tools with a super specific preconceived notion of what I am making and I just try to experiment and invent something new with the tool, regardless of style.  

So yah, it is all about killing the commuting blues for me and having something creative to show for it.  

mrufino1

I mixed my November song of the month entry with the beta of auria pro. I don't do a ton of creation in auria, but I mix in it constantly. Most of what I mix I'm not allowed to post tough as it's not mine. But I use it constantly and will continue to do so, I love being able to mix on the go with the iPad.

Matt_Fletcher_2000

I've got a track going in it. Not exactly finished but I'll post work in progress with an explanation shortly.

theconnactic

I made a track of my own and two others for a singer/songwriter I'm recording the EP for. Finally I can use my iPad for producing from the ground up the way I use my Mac. With Logic, the work is much faster: I won't lie. But the very fact it can be done with my iPad is absolutely glorious!

asnor

@rhcball said:

Just so much quicker/smoother on desktop (I actually am starting to think that it's the touch-aspect and that it lacks the precision of a mouse/keyboard, or sonething).

Pretty much my experience. I think the iPad Pro will help in this regard, with it's size and precision pen input, but I don't have the $$$ to sink.

RedSkyLullaby

I am prob going to work on a track tonight, prob just audio and plug ins will try post in next day or, may do a vid if i get time

rickwaugh

I have a track about 90 percent. 10 tracks of midi created in Notion, imported into Auria Pro. I have set up my eq, plugins, a lot of the mix. Recorded a new audio acoustic guitar track, doubled it. Ran into a bug this morning recording the lead guitar track, that Rim has already fixed. I have some synth, complete drum track, (snare, kick, hi hat, crash,) bass. Whether or not it's good music, I dunno, but I'm overjoyed. The workflow is exactly what i want. I don't do loops, I'm just old fashioned layer on the tracks, do over dubs, mess with the mix and sound through plugins. 

Matt_Fletcher_2000

Alright, here we go then...

Here's a bit of a work in progress thing done over the last couple of days.

- Twin2 pad - some Auria automation on the filters, plus I had some Turnado 'texturizer' running on it.

- Twin2 synth string patch

- Live jammed drums IAAed in from Elastic Drums (using the wonderful ED live jam page), then chopped up and arranged inside Auria

- Atmos noise stuff I made as a 32 bar loop in iMashine and then just ran this in IAA recording into Auria

- AudioReverb on the master Aux with varying amounts dialed in from the different tracks

No EQing or mastering or anything...

I must admit I had a few out of memory things going on towards the end - especially when I put Animoog (which I ditched) and AudioReverb both in IAA slots at the same time.

Let me know what you think...

[Deleted User]

Congratulation on being the Premieriste ...

Matt_Fletcher_2000

Thanks @crzycrs !

rickwaugh

Sounds awesome, @Matt_Fletcher_2000 ;

Matt_Fletcher_2000

rickwaugh - thanks, too kind...

A test really... but thanks.

JohnnyGoodyear

@Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

Alright, here we go then...


Yes. Sounds like The Matt Sound. And very good. Would add some drowned cinematic piano, but aint that always the way

Matt_Fletcher_2000

Thanks.

Well to be honest. It could do with a lot more thought (and variation of notes) throughout the second half.

Animoog bell type things were going to come in (playing the role of the drowned cinematic piano) but it kept crashing when I tried this. So I posted it up as is...

It's just a backing track right now really. And a sound test for Twin2.

Igneous1

Cheers for the responses.

What I should have included was that I'd be very keen to hear anything done with the fabfilter synth or Lyra stuff.

Which Matt has done, but for some reason I can't see any link / soundcloud embed. ?

Matt_Fletcher_2000

OK, just for the ever demanding @johnnygoodyear i've spent the last couple of hours adding said 'drowned cinematic piano' to the track. I'm nothing if not obliging . 

Actually I think it was a good call from Johnny I hope.

So - as above (2 instances of Twin 2) but now with added Lyra factory grand piano soaked in AudioReverb.

I also did a bit of ProQing and ProCing in parts and stuck some limiter on the master.



or if you're having problems: https://m.soundcloud.com/matt-fletcher-2000/i-am-not-a-robot

JohnnyGoodyear

@Matt_Fletcher_2000 Piano does sound right. And you didn't overdo it (my usual flavor of failure). I don't know whether it's just Sunday night, but this would work very well with Homeland. Subsequent to some rueful death perhaps.

So all in Auria or Gadget in there somewhere? I was noodling with the updated Beatwave earlier and ended up wondering why I wasn't directly in AP etc....

Matt_Fletcher_2000

JohnnyGoodyear

The only sounds external to Auria Pro in this track are the drums (and drum like noises) which are from Elastic Drums and iMashine. And i'm using AudioReverb on the master. The rest is 100% AP in the box.

Many things are a real pleasure in AP (like doing everything inside it but being able to bring everything from outside, in). However, moving (groups of) notes (not adding or deleting, but *moving*) is a right royal PITA. Gotta get onto Rim about that one (poor guy!).

Matt_Fletcher_2000

JohnnyGoodyear - that's a huge complement for me. I love the soundtrack to that show - I think its fabulous mostly and always make sure to listen to how it's scored each episode i watch.

There's lots of kind of modern, off key, jazz influenced stuff used, and then lots of cinematic, dystopian and atonal scraping notes throughout the tense bits. Love it!

rkmonkey

My Oct SOTMC was made using multiple instances of Lyra playing imported midi files. I couldn't answer @BvsMV at the time. Sorry for that.

JohnnyGoodyear

@Matt_Fletcher_2000 It's all personal toast of course, but I feel as though Homeland's the first show to really get and showcase how this kind of music (often the music I have in my head) can actually work and flow and succeed. 

EDIT: And then I turned away from this screen for a moment and someone nameless had written this Jung quote in my large black daybook across tomorrow's date:

“In all chaos there is a cosmos, in all disorder a secret order.” 

Perfect.

JohnnyGoodyear

@Flo26 said:

george jung?,

Carl.