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Modstep 1.0.1 update - much better!

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  • edited January 2016

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
    Here's a review of ModStep, just up, that I wrote for Audio News Room if anyone's interested...

    http://audionewsroom.net/2016/01/modstep-review-from-a-purely-100-ios-musician-perspective-the-best-ios-sequencer-yet.html

    Hi Matt,

    there is a little texts should be changed by editor as quick as possible!

    It is not subtractive synthesizer, it is Additive wavetable! So under the list highlight, Provision for 2 detuned oscillators should also be edited to 1-64 tonal (or..., don't know how to call it) per cycle!

    Great writing to praise the app! Enjoy your feeling to it!

    Cheers.

  • Nice read made, good work !

  • Great article Matt 200, I hadn't thought about the possibility of controllin multiple instruments using templates. Good idea. Now, instead of refreshing the app store looking for that 1.0.2 update I think Ill try it out.

  • edited January 2016

    @Richtowns said:
    Great article Matt 200,

    He is the two thousand man, why you give him two hundred credits! :p

  • @Kaikoo said:

    @Richtowns said:
    Great article Matt 200,

    He is the two thousand man, why you give him two hundred credits! :p

    Ha - thanks both.

    I'll take 200 :)...

  • And article now corrected to say 'additive' synth... - thanks for that @Kaikoo

  • @AndyPlankton said:
    Nice read made, good work !

    Thanks...

  • edited January 2016

    @Richtowns said:
    Great article Matt 200, I hadn't thought about the possibility of controllin multiple instruments using templates. Good idea. Now, instead of refreshing the app store looking for that 1.0.2 update I think Ill try it out.

    Be interested to hear how you get on - and how far you can take this. I must admit my idea is mainly hypothetical at this stage - but I see no reason why it wouldn't work since you can override the default midi channel on lots on functions. You might need to mess with the ports the track is sending too as well. I presume it can send to more than one port.

  • @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
    And article now corrected to say 'additive' synth... - thanks for that @Kaikoo

    I will be too busy and can not enjoy your new perspectives much at every steps, but will listen to your cloud music every so often.

    Ya Matt, salute to you!

  • Thanks @Kaikoo. I've been enjoying one of your soundcloud tracks actually. The Awesome Auria one.

  • edited January 2016

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    @Richtowns said:
    Great article Matt 200, I hadn't thought about the possibility of controllin multiple instruments using templates. Good idea. Now, instead of refreshing the app store looking for that 1.0.2 update I think Ill try it out.

    Be interested to hear how you get on - and how far you can take this. I must admit my idea is mainly hypothetical at this stage - but I see no reason why it wouldn't work since you can override the default midi channel on lots on functions. You might need to mess with the ports the track is sending too as well. I presume it can send to more than one port.

    I think in this world of VST's and APPS people are forgetting how useful MIDI routing can be :smile:

    I used it to create a single set of drumpads that used drums from 3 different drum apps, load the apps in audiobus and set them on different midi channels, works a treat as long as your drum apps behave themselves midi wise (Here's looking at you attack :angry: )

  • I really love playing with this app. First sequencer on IOS that just feels right. And this is despite the bugs, the crashes, the weirdnesses and the unintuitive interface. I think it's a sign of how good it is that when I can't work out how to do something I treat it as an interesting challenge. This is a sequencer that's perfect for jamming and improvising. So much fun. If you want to make any kind of electronic music, you will love this.

    It's still not perfect though.

    Things that currently bother me:

    • time signatures - yes you can do 5/4 or 9/8, but it's a pain (you have to create two patterns - the first with 4 beats, the second with 1 - then clone them across the entire clip. Not fun).
    • Triplets - You can do this manually as it supports off the grid entry, but it would be nice if you could go into a triplet, or other tuplets, mode and align them to the grid (not sure how this would work with the step sequencer, but I figure anyone who's using tuplets is sophisticated enough to work around them).
    • Changing lengths in the piano roll - it would be nice to see what the value is when I'm changing the length of something. Sometimes I don't want to eyeball these things (it would be really nice to be able to enter a value...).
    • Changing note lengths in the step sequencer - this is currently completely blind. Ideally I should be able to see the grid vertically, so I have some idea of whether I'm changing it to be a 1/16, 1/8th note, or whatever. But at a minimum I should be able to see the value as I change this.
    • Drum/piano roll entry - If I create notes in the drum mode, they're invisible in the piano roll. And vice-versa. This is confusing, is likely to lead to annoying errors and seems unnecessary. I'd be fine with having to define a track as one or the other when I create it. Or alternatively, all notes should be shown in whichever entry mode I'm in.
    • Drum entry - For some reason on the drum sequencer screen the notes are constrained to a particular range. This means if the drum machine you're using uses notes below C2 (from memory), you can't use this sequencer to drive them. I don't really understand this restriction.

    I can also get the app to crash when playing with the active steps functionality. Hopefully that will be fixed soon.

    Some nice enhancements would be:

    • Support for tuplets - You can make really interesting techno if you use triplets. Just saying.
    • show all notes in piano roll - I like the ability to constrain the view to entered notes and a scale. It would also be nice to zoom out so you could see the full range of all notes. Particularly nice if you're coming back to a pattern to modify it.
    • better support for quirky time signatures - this might be a challenge given the way the step sequencer mode is designed, but I'd love to be able to write techno using gypsy rhythms...
    • song mode - This seems essential. And you know what would really rock, the ability to record a song using the clip view. If that could be combined with some kind of tempo ramp and ability to record the mix, I would be in heaven.
    • Freeze - So I've got a clip right, and now I want to mess with the bass. Except my iPad's CPU is maxed out. What would be really cool is if I could record that track and treat it (temporarily) as the clip itself.
    • Fuzzier quantization - Sometimes I like lockstep to the beat, and sometimes I want to leave some human error in there.
    • Quantize to Groove template - Always a fun feature.

    While we're dreaming:

    • The ability to add oscillators to CC's, or anything else, would be really cool...
  • ModStep and Elastic Drums:

    Has anyone got this to work? I've tried a few things, but no matter what I do, Elastic Drums does not play the notes sent from ModStep.

  • edited January 2016

    @cian said:
    ModStep and Elastic Drums:

    Has anyone got this to work? I've tried a few things, but no matter what I do, Elastic Drums does not play the notes sent from ModStep.

    Given the variability of MIDI interoperability in iOS I keep forgetting how I got this to work...

    This is the midi setup in elastic (if you aren't using Modstep clock to drive an Elastic pattern, but sequencing Elastic in Modstep)
    Modstep is what you'd expect...

    Drum kit starts at C1 and goes up...
    Pretty sure this works side by side with other IAA stuff on other channels
    Hope it works for you
    Why it has to be this way is a question for our forum MIDItectives...as a friend reminds me "why" is not a spiritual (read: musical?) question

  • Hmm, thought I'd already tried that. I'll have another look at the general settings in ModStep, maybe that's where the problem lies. Am I right in thinking that clicking on the note/CC icons tells ModStep what to send out on that midi channel? Midi on the iPad is way more confusing than it needs to be.

    My long term plan is to use ModStep to drive apps on my phone and iPad simultaneously...

  • @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
    Thanks @Kaikoo. I've been enjoying one of your soundcloud tracks actually. The Awesome Auria one.

    Hi Kaikoo, what is your name on Soundcloud. Would love to listen.

  • @cian said:
    ModStep and Elastic Drums:

    Has anyone got this to work? I've tried a few things, but no matter what I do, Elastic Drums does not play the notes sent from ModStep.

    If you're talking about sending notes to ED, I think it doesn't work. I don't (yet) own modstep, but when I got my BSP, -(beat step pro sequencer) I tried all drum machines that I own, because one of the sequencers in BSP is dedicated to drums.
    To my big disappointment I found out that there is a handful of drum machines that can be sequenced externally sort of speak...many will play last "layer" of notes only....

    Those that work:
    iElectribe, NanoStudio, DrumPerfect Pro, Beat machine, (on ch.1 only, it's broken)
    Maybe others...?
    Also BS -16 if you load drums does great....or M1

    Diode 108 worked great until last update f€$¥>ed it up...royally and the clowns responsible disappeared....

  • @soundklinik said:

    @cian said:
    ModStep and Elastic Drums:

    Has anyone got this to work? I've tried a few things, but no matter what I do, Elastic Drums does not play the notes sent from ModStep.

    If you're talking about sending notes to ED, I think it doesn't work. I don't (yet) own modstep, but when I got my BSP, -(beat step pro sequencer) I tried all drum machines that I own, because one of the sequencers in BSP is dedicated to drums.
    To my big disappointment I found out that there is a handful of drum machines that can be sequenced externally sort of speak...many will play last "layer" of notes only....

    Those that work:
    iElectribe, NanoStudio, DrumPerfect Pro, Beat machine, (on ch.1 only, it's broken)
    Maybe others...?
    Also BS -16 if you load drums does great....or M1

    Diode 108 worked great until last update f€$¥>ed it up...royally and the clowns responsible disappeared....

    Erm - i'm pretty sure that ED won't accept midi notes if you have it loaded as an IAA. Almost none of the drum machine apps will.

    However, if it isn't loaded as an IAA app - then you should be able to send midi notes to it. have a look at the manual. I seem to remember it might be channel 10 only (certainly iElectribe is). And if C2 upwards (or whatever it says in the manual) doesn't work - then try C3 upward or C1 upwards.

    I seems to remember getting it to work once - although it was a long time ago and I remember it took a while. It's in the manual though...

  • @gkillmaster said:

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
    Thanks @Kaikoo. I've been enjoying one of your soundcloud tracks actually. The Awesome Auria one.

    Hi Kaikoo, what is your name on Soundcloud. Would love to listen.

    Name also Kaikoo

  • @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    @soundklinik said:

    @cian said:
    ModStep and Elastic Drums:

    Has anyone got this to work? I've tried a few things, but no matter what I do, Elastic Drums does not play the notes sent from ModStep.

    If you're talking about sending notes to ED, I think it doesn't work. I don't (yet) own modstep, but when I got my BSP, -(beat step pro sequencer) I tried all drum machines that I own, because one of the sequencers in BSP is dedicated to drums.
    To my big disappointment I found out that there is a handful of drum machines that can be sequenced externally sort of speak...many will play last "layer" of notes only....

    Those that work:
    iElectribe, NanoStudio, DrumPerfect Pro, Beat machine, (on ch.1 only, it's broken)
    Maybe others...?
    Also BS -16 if you load drums does great....or M1

    Diode 108 worked great until last update f€$¥>ed it up...royally and the clowns responsible disappeared....

    Erm - i'm pretty sure that ED won't accept midi notes if you have it loaded as an IAA. Almost none of the drum machine apps will.

    However, if it isn't loaded as an IAA app - then you should be able to send midi notes to it. have a look at the manual. I seem to remember it might be channel 10 only (certainly iElectribe is). And if C2 upwards (or whatever it says in the manual) doesn't work - then try C3 upward or C1 upwards.

    I seems to remember getting it to work once - although it was a long time ago and I remember it took a while. It's in the manual though...

    Matt, DrumJam and Beathawk and FunkBox work well on IAA slot, few days ago things, forgot it all, I don't play Modstep until next update!

  • @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    Erm - i'm pretty sure that ED won't accept midi notes if you have it loaded as an IAA. Almost none of the drum machine apps will.

    However, if it isn't loaded as an IAA app - then you should be able to send midi notes to it. have a look at the manual. I seem to remember it might be channel 10 only (certainly iElectribe is). And if C2 upwards (or whatever it says in the manual) doesn't work - then try C3 upward or C1 upwards.

    I seems to remember getting it to work once - although it was a long time ago and I remember it took a while. It's in the manual though...

    Matt, when I did my tests with BSP, i had AB opened, with 2 synthesizers on ch. 1 and 2 and drums on ch. 10. Sequenced directly into AB. (My apologies if I created confusion)

    Since I don't have modstep, what @cian said ...it sounded similar to what was happening with ED when I tried with BSP.

    Are there different ways to use drum machine in Modstep? If you open AB and load modstep and add ED, can you sequence it? Or do you load ED or any drum machine into Modstep?

    iElectribe works best.

  • The IAA thing might be part of the problem. Really hadn't occurred to me that would be an issue. I'll try messing with channels, though ED has assignable channels so that shouldn't be the problem.

    I like Diode, but if I'm playing drum samples the ModStep built in sampler seems fine for my purposes. At least after they sort out the importing issues.

    IAA seems so flaky in practice that I don't know why I bother...

  • Hadn't considered using BS-16i for drums. I mostly use it as a way to play soundfonts when demoing a song. Which is probably underutilizing it. I do like it.

  • @soundklinik said:

    Are there different ways to use drum machine in Modstep?

    Yes... (I take it you mean drum machine apps). You can try and load them in as IAAs (but most, in my experience, won't allow themselves to be sequenced extrenally liked this) or you can NOT load them in as IAA just send them virtual midi - and record their outputs via AB.

    If you open AB and load modstep and add ED, can you sequence it? Or do you load ED or any drum machine into Modstep?

    Erm... see above. Remember AB is just a way of capturing the audio output of an app and feeding it into another app. Your sequencing needs to be done via normal virtual midi or via IAA midi (if you load it as an IAA).

  • edited January 2016

    @cian said:
    Hmm, thought I'd already tried that. I'll have another look at the general settings in ModStep, maybe that's where the problem lies. Am I right in thinking that clicking on the note/CC icons tells ModStep what to send out on that midi channel? Midi on the iPad is way more confusing than it needs to be.

    My long term plan is to use ModStep to drive apps on my phone and iPad simultaneously...

    Let me know if you get it going...it was working for me this morning, in IAA as described.
    In fact I have it running in the BG right now...

    The thing to check:
    select your channel in # on ED (any channel, unlike iElectribes 10 only)...and background audio...
    Select "No MIdi Input" under "Clock in". - "on"
    Select "Elastic Drums" under "Note in" - "on".
    (I know this makes no sense)

    It's loaded as an IAA in Modstep
    Refer to the pngs for Modstep - I'm not repeating these in prose because they are what youd think, but maybe not. Gen settings in Modstep: look for what is NOT active...

    Seriously, @Matt_Fletcher_2000, @soundklinik it's playing in the background right now. Sounds f%#king cool too...
    Now Cyclop on track 2, awesome...haven't tried Link, just IAA: ED and Cyclop...
    Come on somebody, tell me I didn't screen shot and attach all this stuff while sitting on the crapper this morning at 630am to no avail... :)
    It works!

  • @Kaikoo said:
    >

    Matt, DrumJam and Beathawk and FunkBox work well on IAA slot, few days ago things, forgot it all, I don't play Modstep until next update!

    Yeah - where is that new update? I know it was submitted to Apple for review towards the end of last week... maybe end of this week? I too am holding off on using ModStep until the new update - i like it, it has potential, but it's too prone to crashing right now to use for me. Anyways, looking forward to the new update!

  • Littlewoodg: No it was super helpful. As soon as I'm off work I plan to try this. I'm sure I was off on one tiny little detail...

  • @cian said:
    Littlewoodg: No it was super helpful. As soon as I'm off work I plan to try this. I'm sure I was off on one tiny little detail...

    No worries. I shouldn't be problem solving this at work!

    the iOS midi stuff is maddening, ED is weird (mostly de-selection of what you'd think ought to be selected)

  • It worked @Littlewoodg. Thanks. Not sure what I was doing differently before, but following your steps exactly fixed it.

    Couldn't get the pads to work though, which is odd. Pretty sure the problem is on modstep's end, as the piano roll worked perfectly. Has anyone got the pads to work with an external synth? Is there some weird trick that I'm missing?

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