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@ikmultimedia - Re: Magic Ears - no - I don't get a cut
- just a friendly company that I think does an excellent job mastering as testified to by the customers and is particularly friendly to iPad productions. 
And, no disparagement intended towards Lurssen mastering as a company either. None.
I master normally on the desktop or on the iPad in Audio Mastering or using some of the tools in Auria Pro
Since I also master classical music among various genres, I am curious as to whether it caters to that in any of the presets.
(sometimes in Final Touch), and for that I'm very used to listening, using my ears, (and eyes), and individual tools - and - not relying on presets. That was the thrust of my comment.
Re: the app itself. I apologize - I made a judgment without trying it. Please forgive me doing that.
However, having downloaded it, and having looked around, I do not see some of the tools that I would normally use in mastering exposed to me there. Where is the multiband compressor - did I miss that? Did I not see the parametric EQ settings. Are they available? Can I adjust them? Is there a separate maximizer that I can change the threshold on in a fine-tuned manner? Or a stereo width adjustment tool. I may be missing all of these and they are there in the app somewhere. Just asking because I don't see them exposed is all, and normally I would work in a very fine-grained manner in each of these tools when mastering. (Just been doing that in a desktop application this past week).
Perhaps the point is that "you don't have to"? I don't really see that as applicable to good mastering though - using any kind of presets. Every situation is different, and my comparison with LANDR (which I also tried and it did things to the audio I sent to it that made it worse and not better), is that every application that relies on presets is going to give a worse result than the proper application of learned techniques.
Although, it's possible, I grant, one might get reasonable results across a number of specific genres but not the same kind of results that mastering with attention to specific detail will yield.
Also, really, adding silence into something you are trying to judge on its ability to master something is not IMO a good way to sell the product. Limit it in other ways if you must, but not like that. Please!
@ikmultimedia - I do just want to add that I own and use and like a number of your other products - both on iOS and on the desktop. I like the iKlip too, and the iRig MIDI (1), and have promoted those products where I have seen the value in them.
All kidding aside? That seems more like a little kids reaction than a joke. And then you continue the kidding anyway. Seems defensive and not at all like a Grammy winning music God.
@Flo26 +++
Wow !! lots of comments from people who don't actually know what mastering is all about. Some people's judgement are clouded by their dislike of a company or app. Yeah I dislike Apple so I won't bother with their products. If you have that kind of mentality you will not go far in the music business.
Mastering is really an art and no self respecting mastering engineer won't be mastering with a £10 app. Yes iOS covers all the angles from conception to finished song or album but and that is a very big but it is still at an amateur (a baby) stage when it comes to what the supergroups or musicians desire.
People need to try stuff first before making a judgement call on any app for that matter. iOS is giving us a taste of what the big studios can produce. A taste. We love it though but we should refrain from making disparaging remarks about stuff just because we don't like them. How would you feel if someone who's never heard your song or music but comes out and says it is shite?
Be open minded and keep making that music that you love. Peace. And. Love. Not. War.
I'll get my coat
Bravo!
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I've tried the app - as it is, I can't import any tracks into it. As a demo it's not allowing me to hear what it can do properly. I have a good idea of what mastering is about. I have an iRig HD which is very good and an iKlip stand which is perfectly functional, so I have no beef with IK.
So, having downloaded it and looked at it @FrankieJay
- (see my comment above), and having an idea of what mastering is about, and not normally using £10 apps to master (I normally master using desktop tools as I mentioned above), I'm still not inclined to drop $100 on this app either. I fully appreciate the quality of service provided by larger dedicated mastering studios such as Lurssen, (as well as the quality of service of smaller concerns such as Magic Ears). Getting a taste of what they might do is not IMO the answer to mastering a specific track/album though. I would hope for more from an app like this. A taste is not the same as actual focused application of the tools to a particular situation to achieve the very best results for that circumstance.
Put it this way, if IK (or anyone else) came out with a $50 mastering app that actually exposed the tools that one normally uses to master and it was of significantly better quality than Audio Mastering or Final Touch or the tools available in Auria Pro, then I would be very interested in it as a mobile mastering solution and would pay for that quality. Why not? After all, I've paid for Auria Pro. I've paid for FabFilter plugins in Auria Pro. I'm happy to spend the money where it is warranted on iOS - and on IK products too. Again, as I said above, I have and like several IK products. I recently spent several hundred dollars on one of their products for the desktop.
Peace too
How dare you?! I'm the coolest.
Very fair.
The demo drops the audio to frequently and has so many noise burst makes for a frustrating demo. At least let us go 5 minutes without drop outs and noise. Also hate having to use iTunes to import your track into this app which seems to be the only option.
It's really just a preset machine with limited control over some of the parameters. You no direct access to compressor or limiter setting. So again you have to rely on presets as your starting point.
In my opinion the apps Final Touch and Audio Mastering are so much better and give you control over all parameters used in your mastering chain unlike this.
The two compressors from Klevgränd and the Kymatica EQ and limiter would also
do a similar job with more control and far cheaper.
And if you already bought Auria Pro just use that for a more power Mastering suite.
This app should be priced at $ 9.99 tops.
Again this is just my opinion. If you disagree cool .
Update: I was wrong you can access the Threshold and make up gain settings on the compressor.
I just have a question.... is the iOS version limited compared to the desktop version or are they the same?
Not to re-stir everything, everybody is "cool" here IMHO and I think countering opinions are good and we wouldn't have fair responses like the followups by @MusicInclusive without it. I was trying to clarify how this is being oversimplified by many and quoting made that a bit more directed/targeted than intended. It is just easier to answer specific posts while following up with more generalized information flowing from that response so I was not trying to target or demonize anybody.
Anyway, the oversimplification point is merely this: Lurssen Mastering Console is not just slapping some T-RackS or similar processors together with certain settings on each. It was a new modeling project that took care to pay REALLY close attention to the interaction between these modules, the gain staging, and the level of control that Gavin and his engineers have over these aspects (as well as the specific functions of each processor too, of course, we didn't just say 'hey forget about that part' since that's a really strong area for us) and the unique approach to overall control, tweaking, and automation that they use during their very successful and aurally-pleasing process and result.
I don't have the peace or peace sign emoji handy but imagine it is right here.
I haven't used the desktop version so I do not know if there are any major differences but I'll check it out.
So is this app aimed at producers who want to run tracks through something to get mastering like results when uploading tracks then or mastering engineers who want something on the go? Or both?!
I think the biggest issue is that for a lot of people, it's that interaction between modules you're talking about and how the end user has no access to most of it that's the sticking point. My comment about it being a step above LANDR had nothing to do with the sonic aspects, but the simplified approach it was distilled down to. It's basically a nice sounding EQ with fixed frequency points, input gain, and the ability to drive "some" components based on the material.
It's a world class processing chain, but we don't have enough access to it to really dial it in to the specifics of the material we're working with other than initially with some vague presets based on genre for the most part (there's no documention to help you should your material fall outside those genres). Sure you can expand a couple of the modules and change a couple parameters, but it's still very limited if you have a specific need you're trying to address. Overall vibe yes to some limited extent, detailed vibe not so much.
I've been a full-time professional mastering engineer for the last 9 years, 7 years part time before that. I understand more than most the role that mastering can play and what should be expected (or not) from that stage of the production process. Just gets frustrating seeing developers try to simplify it to the point that it almost becomes a gimic. Almost ignoring the fact that mastering is nothing but an unbiased, experienced opinion seperate from the person who wrote the material. Hopefully in a room and with gear that's up to a certain standard where those opinions can be trusted implicitly.
If you're going to market it as this awesome chain of devices and the interaction between them, then let the end user have more control of that interplay. Maybe I want less compression, and more limiting as a way to achieve volume or cohension. Do I select a rock category preset instead of a dance one? It's a guessing game if you're trying to fine tune, and the end result isn't any easier to achieve from the tools already available then.
Like I said, I do this for a living, so I'm always paying attention when mastering tools are released on the platform I like to use myself sometimes. I ran 3-4 songs through the demo of your app before I even saw it mentioned here, and I just didn't see how this was helping people self-mastering their own material, regardless of the quality of the modelling you obviously did.
Not trying to again ding the concept, but wanted to clarify why I said what I did, and a little about my background that makes me feel at least a little qualified to say so.
All that said, like I said before, I'm sure there's enough people who will buy it anyway.
You sir have unmasked yourself, being fairly new to mastering and an amateur I instantly want to question you loads on the subject
It's one of my favorite subjects to talk about, but it would be best to start a new thread for that so as to not derail this one even more.
Agreed @Tarekith , I do mastering for broadcast, which is kind of the dark side of mastering...haha....no time no deliver and 20+ versions of the same track with different voice overs to work on, with very specified volume levels and dynamic ranges.
So yes, the frustration here is that they charge an AAA price for a product that doesn't have the minimum expected features.
Obviously that no one with studio access will master on an iPad, but for some (me and probably everyone that masters for broadcast), when we are out of the studio and just need to deliver something conformed to the broadcasting rules, and mastered enough that it doesn't sound bad - that will go on air on the next 2 hours - an app like this would be amazing, but in the first place, if I need my computer to just put the track inside the app, I won't use it, I have far more advanced options in my computer, and if I don't have meters (which are essencial when mastering for broadcast, becaus there are loudness rules) to master with my headphones on my iPad, I can't rely 100% on the result.
So, if they had thought about it, and listened to their possible users, they would simply add dropbox, icloud, audioshare, audiobus, good meters and more controls to fine tune the compression and limiting stages, and suddenly they would have an app that someone who needs to master something when is away from the studio would gladly buy, because it would be a more professional tool, and the investment would come back really fast
I don't know that this tech has arrived yet. Give it a few more years. Push button solutions are all the rage. They'll get all their complex algorithms sorted. I mean, look at all the outlandish things we can do to sound via math and a touch interface on the input side of things already. If enough folks lob an equal amount of math at the output side of things ...
No offense to any of our resident mastering professionals - I love gleaning all I can about the process and the thinking behind it. But giving a body a fish vs. teaching a body to fish vs. selling a body the Fish-o-matic 5000® Fishmaker for the fishoholic on the go ...
There's an update on the App Store and there will definitely be more updates over time as we get feedback. Also, we have a new video posted of Gavin and Reuben demonstrating Lurssen Mastering Console at NAMM:
@ikmultimedia - thanks for sharing the vid
On first blush, this looks like Final Touch after several months at the gym. Haven't played with it yet, but just downloaded. Curiousity, cat, me ...
I don't spend too long mastering, my recording is shoddy enough
I've convinced myself I'm going for that under produced live thang from small clubs of the eighties
Ok,
After make some initial test, I must to say is a Good mastering app.
Easy to use, (don't have deep control for user) but do it an excellent work.
I really like it.
99'99 € ?
Auria Pro cost 49'99
49'99 is more reasonable price for an IAP iPad app.
@ikmultimedia - OK, I played with Lurssen on a challenging final mix. Something I created over 20 some tracks in Garageband, mixing live instruments with synths and internal GB instruments - and vocals sung straight into the iPad mic.
I have to say, it really did sweeten and boost quite nicely, and I think the "preset as a starting point, you can control just enough to not wreck it" approach worked well in my testing.
***The only problem I encountered was trying to record automation for both input level and the "push" knob. Every time I'd switch over to the other, it would erase the previous pass on the other knob. Is this a bug, or a limitation of the free version?
$100 is a lot, but could well be worth it for many users, IMO. Judging by going mastering rates, if you successfully master 4 songs with this, you come out ahead. Again, no offense intended to resident mastering experts Erik and Adam. I don't think this will replace the need for pro mastering services just yet. But not everybody needs pro mastering services. Some people just need some decent mastering and a nice commercial sounding track. I think you can do this with Lurssen. It is definitely more than just LANDR for iPad, based on my understanding of LANDR and about 6 hours fiddling with everything I could fiddle with in Lurssen.
Please PM me if you'd like additional feedback ... my posts are always TL;DR as it is
EDIT: BTW, the silence has been replaced by audible but not horrible hissing - like a cat clawing vinyl for a second, every 10 or 12 seconds. Nothing that'll damage your ears, but no more silence.
LANDR is awful, really not suited for real mastering. The current all-in-one iOS solutions are definitely better, and I'll try the free version of Lurssen in the near future. Currently, the only way to get commercial-grade mastering on iOS is using FabFilter inside Auria, even because FabFilter is the best available solution even in the Desktop realm (better than Izotope Ozone by a huge margin).
I say these things as a fan of Pro-L in Auria for mastering myself. I've never used LANDR because the premise of input/output with no hands on is just appalling to me.
Well,I pressed the buy-button yesterday and was "playing around" with it all day long using some roughmixes of
a project Iˋm almost finished with and I can say: this is MUSIC!!!Iˋm runnung a small one man studio for more than
30 years now (logic and almost all UADs).And over the years my job has changed and "serious" mastering is also
requested.On my iPadPro I´m using AuriaPro and all Fabfilters etc.Great!!But having this tool at the end of the
chain on the iPad is unbelieveable!The presets are good startingpoints,but then the fine tuning is wonderful.
The results are - MUSIC.Easy import (open in) easy export with professional options.You have to get used to
trusting your ears again and I love it.At first glance it might seem a bit restricted,but itˋs not.Everything you need
for finetuning is there.For me this is the first step to serious mastering on the iPad!
Huh, cool. thanks for the info. I could bite if it goes on sale. Sounds interesting.
Pro L is just a limiter: to make Auria a master workhorse, you should buy at least Pro C, Pro MB and Pro Q, and I strongly recommend Saturn as well for harmonic distortion/exciting if you're into it (I prefer the good old Bandaxall curve
).
By the way, I've just spent an hour with this new app. As you see, to have all FF mastering tools you would have to fork north of a hundred bucks, so it gives perspective about how expensive or not the Larsson Console is. The presets are on par with Izotope Ozone (I personally don't like T-Racks) and considering that FF needs at least Auria 2.0 (more 25 bucks), I say the price is quite competitive. Almost a bargain, in fact.
In the end I'd choose FF over the Lurssen Console for the same reason I'd choose it over Izotope Ozone: presets are good, but the flexibility and quality of FF are both on a different level. On the other hand, I'd recommend the Lurssen Console if you want to get commercial sounds with minimum tweaking, specially if you don't really know what you are doing.
Hope this helps!