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Blocs Wave - New User Libraries & Flatten Mode

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  • @mireko_2 said:
    Anyone got the export bug where it only exports the first bar of your loop. Hopefully fixed with this update, haven't tried yet

    Never mind.. It's fixed. These guys work fast!

  • @iamspoon said:
    I've received that message before after cancelling a purchase that I found didn't work well for my needs. I'm not really sure how it's legal, since it's a consumer right to be able to cancel a purchase within 14 days AFAIK. (in the EU at least)
    I guess it's to stop people from abusing the system, but still leaves a sour taste to be asked to waive your rights like that.

    Me too, I made a single cancellation of an obviously fscked app and got this nonsense. I'm not sure it is legal. It only harassed me for the next 3 or 4 purchases though and went away after that.

  • Nice update :)
    This is becoming a useful tool now, I hope the developments continue at the same pace. The slicer for me, isn't yet in the same creative ballpark as Egoist or Samplr but it's ease of use with Link and the fact you can set up your recording length makes this a lot of fun so I'm using it mainly as a Loop recorder..

    If anyone is unsure how to record directly via AUM you can use Audiobus like this:


    In this example I'm pushing Model 15 through a reverb Mixbus out through a limiter to Blocs.

  • By analogy:

    Samplr = electric guitar plugged into an effects board and an amp.

    Blocs Wave = acoustic guitar

    Sometimes you need to do capture something fast...

  • Somehow I've taken to recording my own loops in straight up, arguably easier to do in Loopy, but the limitation of only having 8 blocks and that you have to stop and choose a new block have prevented me from building up too many cluttered loops and focusing on more concise arrangements.

  • @db909 said:
    Somehow I've taken to recording my own loops in straight up, arguably easier to do in Loopy, but the limitation of only having 8 blocks and that you have to stop and choose a new block have prevented me from building up too many cluttered loops and focusing on more concise arrangements.

    I think Loopy is probably still easier to do "quick and dirty" capture, but Blocs Wave allows me to go in and slice the part that works the best. It's a small but meaningful detail.

  • Hi, as I never got an answer (even though a nice guy reposted my request), I repost it (as it would make the app 100% more useful for me lol) :

    Would it be possible to have an option so that the begining of the loop is going at the end when you slip left (and vice versa with the end going at the beginning when swiping right)... "A la Loopy HD" lol.
    Currently it makes a break at the end or beginning of the loop when you resynch it... making it very odd. Having the possibility to really resynch Loops together would be awesome.

    peace
    grego

  • @ElGregoLoco said:
    Hi, as I never got an answer (even though a nice guy reposted my request), I repost it (as it would make the app 100% more useful for me lol) :

    Would it be possible to have an option so that the begining of the loop is going at the end when you slip left (and vice versa with the end going at the beginning when swiping right)... "A la Loopy HD" lol.
    Currently it makes a break at the end or beginning of the loop when you resynch it... making it very odd. Having the possibility to really resynch Loops together would be awesome.

    peace
    grego

    I raised this on the other thread about the app and I believe that @Launchpadforios noted the complaint for the devs.

  • @Launchpadforios Quick question: if a project's tempo is altered and returned to its initial state, does BW still apply its stretching? I ask as I accidentally did this and now my loops (recorded at 120bpm) seem to have timestretching artefacts, despite the project being set at 120. This has also happened with Loopy HD, although, in that case, it was rectified by reloading the project.

  • @sleepless said:
    @Launchpadforios Quick question: if a project's tempo is altered and returned to its initial state, does BW still apply its stretching? I ask as I accidentally did this and now my loops (recorded at 120bpm) seem to have timestretching artefacts, despite the project being set at 120. This has also happened with Loopy HD, although, in that case, it was rectified by reloading the project.

    Worth checking it's also tagged as the same key as the session (or tagged as no key) as this will also process the loop.

    You can see if any processing is being applied by whether or not a white progress bar appears at the top of the pad when it's first assigned to a pad, or when the tempo/key of the session is altered. To see it in action load up some of the 96bpm hip hop loops. Change the tempo up to 97 and all 8 pads will be processed. Change it back down to 96 and none of them will be, because it should use the original files.

    If something is being processed when its at exactly it's original tempo and key, that shouldn't be happening. I've just spotted it happening with some of the default content at it's original tempo 130bpm, so we'll take a look at the maths.

  • Liking this more and more, thanks for listening Novation
    Things I'd hope for next would include:

    *ADSR envelope for the slicer with midi control etc.
    *slip-wrap (mentioned earlier above)
    *names of the samples can be seen in the slots (can't tell what's what otherwise)
    *midi program change of the projects so they can be loaded and played back in sequence without a gap in audio (guess this is difficult but something I'm hoping for in Samplr too)
    *multi-audio out for each of the slots

  • @Launchpadforios said:

    @sleepless said:
    @Launchpadforios Quick question: if a project's tempo is altered and returned to its initial state, does BW still apply its stretching? I ask as I accidentally did this and now my loops (recorded at 120bpm) seem to have timestretching artefacts, despite the project being set at 120. This has also happened with Loopy HD, although, in that case, it was rectified by reloading the project.

    Worth checking it's also tagged as the same key as the session (or tagged as no key) as this will also process the loop.

    You can see if any processing is being applied by whether or not a white progress bar appears at the top of the pad when it's first assigned to a pad, or when the tempo/key of the session is altered. To see it in action load up some of the 96bpm hip hop loops. Change the tempo up to 97 and all 8 pads will be processed. Change it back down to 96 and none of them will be, because it should use the original files.

    If something is being processed when its at exactly it's original tempo and key, that shouldn't be happening. I've just spotted it happening with some of the default content at it's original tempo 130bpm, so we'll take a look at the maths.

    The white bar was indeed appearing on some of the loops. I merely re-entered 120bpm as their tempo in the respective attributes and it sorted them out.

  • @Carnbot said:
    Liking this more and more, thanks for listening Novation

    *names of the samples can be seen in the slots (can't tell what's what otherwise)

    • a lot
  • One feature I would like to have...

    The ability to drag the 8 pads around and change their order.

    One obvious use of Blocs Wave is to play it live and gradually build up the amount of instruments heard. So if you could start with pad one, then add pad two, etc. that would be useful. As you're improvising when you assemble your sounds, you don't know what you might want to do until you are finished.

    I recognize that that you can achieve this now with copy and delete, but that's not the easiest thing, particularly because you don't identify the names of the samples. Which I don't think you should do, by the way.

    One of the reasons I like Blocs Wave so much is the attention you have given to user interface. Thank you!

  • I seem to be swimming against the tide here somewhat, but I'm seeing this app as something of a work in progress. The new update is certainly welcome, but I feel it has a fair way to go yet.
    Could be that I've used slicers a fair bit before. Certainly a step forward, though.

  • @Igneous1 said:
    I seem to be swimming against the tide here somewhat, but I'm seeing this app as something of a work in progress. The new update is certainly welcome, but I feel it has a fair way to go yet.
    Could be that I've used slicers a fair bit before. Certainly a step forward, though.

    I think power users could find this app frustrating in its current incarnation. But as @Reid points out, the attention to UX is the strong suit. I actually hope they resist the temptation to overload the experience. The simplicity is what appeals to me... I have other options when I need more power.

  • @Reid said:
    One feature I would like to have...

    The ability to drag the 8 pads around and change their order.

    One obvious use of Blocs Wave is to play it live and gradually build up the amount of instruments heard. So if you could start with pad one, then add pad two, etc. that would be useful. As you're improvising when you assemble your sounds, you don't know what you might want to do until you are finished.

    I recognize that that you can achieve this now with copy and delete, but that's not the easiest thing, particularly because you don't identify the names of the samples. Which I don't think you should do, by the way.

    One of the reasons I like Blocs Wave so much is the attention you have given to user interface. Thank you!

    Like this. Useful and sexy.

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @Reid said:
    One feature I would like to have...

    The ability to drag the 8 pads around and change their order.

    One obvious use of Blocs Wave is to play it live and gradually build up the amount of instruments heard. So if you could start with pad one, then add pad two, etc. that would be useful. As you're improvising when you assemble your sounds, you don't know what you might want to do until you are finished.

    I recognize that that you can achieve this now with copy and delete, but that's not the easiest thing, particularly because you don't identify the names of the samples. Which I don't think you should do, by the way.

    One of the reasons I like Blocs Wave so much is the attention you have given to user interface. Thank you!

    Like this. Useful and sexy.

    I second this. would make the app much more useful in the live setting. this and being able to trigger pads via midi. the slide up/slide down gesture is a bit too unreliable for my taste in terms of timing. would much prefer being able to use my physical launchpad.

  • @gonekrazy3000 said:
    I second this. would make the app much more useful in the live setting. this and being able to trigger pads via midi. the slide up/slide down gesture is a bit too unreliable for my taste in terms of timing. would much prefer being able to use my physical launchpad.

    Thirded. Also, count-in and count-out for triggering the pads via midi controller.

  • @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @Reid said:
    One feature I would like to have...

    The ability to drag the 8 pads around and change their order.

    One obvious use of Blocs Wave is to play it live and gradually build up the amount of instruments heard. So if you could start with pad one, then add pad two, etc. that would be useful. As you're improvising when you assemble your sounds, you don't know what you might want to do until you are finished.

    I recognize that that you can achieve this now with copy and delete, but that's not the easiest thing, particularly because you don't identify the names of the samples. Which I don't think you should do, by the way.

    One of the reasons I like Blocs Wave so much is the attention you have given to user interface. Thank you!

    Like this. Useful and sexy.

    I second this. would make the app much more useful in the live setting. this and being able to trigger pads via midi. the slide up/slide down gesture is a bit too unreliable for my taste in terms of timing. would much prefer being able to use my physical launchpad.

    You make a good point that I just 'put up with' without commenting, namely the drag/on drag/off thingie. Feels cool and great, but often miss the in-beat. A simple go/stop would probably be more reliable...

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @Reid said:
    One feature I would like to have...

    The ability to drag the 8 pads around and change their order.

    One obvious use of Blocs Wave is to play it live and gradually build up the amount of instruments heard. So if you could start with pad one, then add pad two, etc. that would be useful. As you're improvising when you assemble your sounds, you don't know what you might want to do until you are finished.

    I recognize that that you can achieve this now with copy and delete, but that's not the easiest thing, particularly because you don't identify the names of the samples. Which I don't think you should do, by the way.

    One of the reasons I like Blocs Wave so much is the attention you have given to user interface. Thank you!

    Like this. Useful and sexy.

    I second this. would make the app much more useful in the live setting. this and being able to trigger pads via midi. the slide up/slide down gesture is a bit too unreliable for my taste in terms of timing. would much prefer being able to use my physical launchpad.

    You make a good point that I just 'put up with' without commenting, namely the drag/on drag/off thingie. Feels cool and great, but often miss the in-beat. A simple go/stop would probably be more reliable...

    Indeed. It's a bit sloppy since a gesture takes a lot longer than either a single tap or a midi button press.

  • A sneak peak of next weeks release for User Library Management and our new 'Flatten' feature.

  • Please. Do. Not. Ruin. This. Magnificent. App.

    Keep. It. Simple.

    If somebody wants a looper, there are hundreds, if not thousands of options, between hardware, iOS and computer software. They all have their strengths.

    But of all those things, there has never been anything like Blocs Wave before. I have five trillion loops, Ableton, Acid, Logic, etc. I rarely make music with loops. I use DAWS and play my own stuff. But I have been all over this thing since I got it.

    Blocs Wave is potentially the world's greatest mashup machine. All it needs are more IAPs and the ability to make your own user banks. You take the whole world history of music-every instrument and style, from Disco to Ravel to Samba to Prokofiev to Philip Glass to Ska to South Africa to Indian to whatever. And then when you push the button you can combine them in random ways, creating musical combinations that nobody could ever have imagined before this app existed.

    It's the randomness. The infinity of combinations. You can buy a loop set for $130 and get one fricking style.

    This has the zen perfection of design of Brian Eno or Haiku. It is beautiful because it is simple. And it will continue to be robust if it stays simple and uses low system resources.

    If you like, you can play into it directly Does it have all the professional features that other apps do? No. And please @Launchpadforios don't ever load it up with them. Don't feel you have to obey every idea that's expressed here. Don't kill the goose.

    I want to be able to put in a zillion loops into this. Maybe many will be my loops. I do not want it to have loaded up with so many features that it is not able to process this one vital thing that makes Blocs Wave unique.

    This is an idea machine for me. If I find something I like I can put it in a DAW and take it to the next level. But it doesn't work the other way--my other apps can't do this.

    This is not to say that there shouldn't be any improvements. There are simple ideas that will make it do what it already does better. In fact the best ideas will be the ones that make it simpler to use, rather than more complex. The randomizer in the slicer is a perfect example. Totally in keeping with the overall design.

  • edited May 2016

    @Reid said:
    Please. Do. Not. Ruin. This. Magnificent. App.

    Keep. It. Simple.

    If somebody wants a looper, there are hundreds, if not thousands of options, between hardware, iOS and computer software. They all have their strengths.

    But of all those things, there has never been anything like Blocs Wave before. I have five trillion loops, Ableton, Acid, Logic, etc. I rarely make music with loops. I use DAWS and play my own stuff. But I have been all over this thing since I got it.

    Blocs Wave is potentially the world's greatest mashup machine. All it needs are more IAPs and the ability to make your own user banks. You take the whole world history of music-every instrument and style, from Disco to Ravel to Samba to Prokofiev to Philip Glass to Ska to South Africa to Indian to whatever. And then when you push the button you can combine them in random ways, creating musical combinations that nobody could ever have imagined before this app existed.

    It's the randomness. The infinity of combinations. You can buy a loop set for $130 and get one fricking style.

    This has the zen perfection of design of Brian Eno or Haiku. It is beautiful because it is simple. And it will continue to be robust if it stays simple and uses low system resources.

    If you like, you can play into it directly Does it have all the professional features that other apps do? No. And please @Launchpadforios don't ever load it up with them. Don't feel you have to obey every idea that's expressed here. Don't kill the goose.

    I want to be able to put in a zillion loops into this. Maybe many will be my loops. I do not want it to have loaded up with so many features that it is not able to process this one vital thing that makes Blocs Wave unique.

    This is an idea machine for me. If I find something I like I can put it in a DAW and take it to the next level. But it doesn't work the other way--my other apps can't do this.

    This is not to say that there shouldn't be any improvements. There are simple ideas that will make it do what it already does better. In fact the best ideas will be the ones that make it simpler to use, rather than more complex. The randomizer in the slicer is a perfect example. Totally in keeping with the overall design.

    For petes sake. No-ones asking them to add hundreds of layers. or to add entirely new features. its mostly quality of life stuff like being able to move active loops left and right (which ironically is your feature request) and to trigger them either directly with a tap or midi. Noones asking AU support. or mastering tools. or to add an appregiator and interal synths. or to add midi support to trigger Iaa apps.

    so please. stop being such a drama queen.

  • edited May 2016

    @Launchpadforios said:
    A sneak peak of next weeks release for User Library Management and our new 'Flatten' feature.

    that looks fantastic. i'm assuming flatten will turn the sliced track into a new pad ? I hope we can name the bank something other than just "imported" since i literally have thousands of loops myself.

    either way. just having the loops in the app already is a vast improvement to me. good job you guys! :smile:

  • What's the flatten thing about?- will it help stop my bins overflowing?

  • edited May 2016

    @Reid I get your basic point, which I agree with. A major strength of BW is that by removing the "barriers" of key signature and tempo in a way that places a large library of melodic loops on "equal footing", and then allowing for easy, random combinations from said library, BW is the ultimate happy accident machine.

    It's also a capable looper at the moment IMO

  • @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @Launchpadforios said:
    A sneak peak of next weeks release for User Library Management and our new 'Flatten' feature.

    that looks fantastic. i'm assuming flatten will turn the sliced track into a new pad ? I hope we can name the bank something other than just "imported" since i literally have thousands of loops myself.

    either way. just having the loops in the app already is a vast improvement to me. good job you guys! :smile:

    Yep good guess on flatten me thinks. I have been doing this with AudioShare already, but imagine the time save. I will end up on a never ending loop of cutting loops :p

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @Launchpadforios said:
    A sneak peak of next weeks release for User Library Management and our new 'Flatten' feature.

    that looks fantastic. i'm assuming flatten will turn the sliced track into a new pad ? I hope we can name the bank something other than just "imported" since i literally have thousands of loops myself.

    either way. just having the loops in the app already is a vast improvement to me. good job you guys! :smile:

    Yep good guess on flatten me thinks. I have been doing this with AudioShare already, but imagine the time save. I will end up on a never ending loop of cutting loops :p

    tell me about it. just the user library alone will mean im gonna lose tons of hrs cutting loops. currently ive been making tons of projects holding just 8 loops......

  • @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @Reid said:
    Please. Do. Not. Ruin. This. Magnificent. App.

    Keep. It. Simple.

    If somebody wants a looper, there are hundreds, if not thousands of options, between hardware, iOS and computer software. They all have their strengths.

    But of all those things, there has never been anything like Blocs Wave before. I have five trillion loops, Ableton, Acid, Logic, etc. I rarely make music with loops. I use DAWS and play my own stuff. But I have been all over this thing since I got it.

    Blocs Wave is potentially the world's greatest mashup machine. All it needs are more IAPs and the ability to make your own user banks. You take the whole world history of music-every instrument and style, from Disco to Ravel to Samba to Prokofiev to Philip Glass to Ska to South Africa to Indian to whatever. And then when you push the button you can combine them in random ways, creating musical combinations that nobody could ever have imagined before this app existed.

    It's the randomness. The infinity of combinations. You can buy a loop set for $130 and get one fricking style.

    This has the zen perfection of design of Brian Eno or Haiku. It is beautiful because it is simple. And it will continue to be robust if it stays simple and uses low system resources.

    If you like, you can play into it directly Does it have all the professional features that other apps do? No. And please @Launchpadforios don't ever load it up with them. Don't feel you have to obey every idea that's expressed here. Don't kill the goose.

    I want to be able to put in a zillion loops into this. Maybe many will be my loops. I do not want it to have loaded up with so many features that it is not able to process this one vital thing that makes Blocs Wave unique.

    This is an idea machine for me. If I find something I like I can put it in a DAW and take it to the next level. But it doesn't work the other way--my other apps can't do this.

    This is not to say that there shouldn't be any improvements. There are simple ideas that will make it do what it already does better. In fact the best ideas will be the ones that make it simpler to use, rather than more complex. The randomizer in the slicer is a perfect example. Totally in keeping with the overall design.

    For petes sake. No-ones asking them to add hundreds of layers. or to add entirely new features. its mostly quality of life stuff like being able to move active loops left and right (which ironically is your feature request) and to trigger them either directly with a tap or midi. Noones asking AU support. or mastering tools. or to add an appregiator and interal synths. or to add midi support to trigger Iaa apps.

    so please. stop being such a drama queen.

    I can see the keeping it simple ideal, but Novation have done a great job so far at keeping the UI clean while adding features. I do not doubt they hold the simplicity of use as a prime ideal they keep in mind before they add features. I trust their judgement to be honest. They seem to understand the fine balance between features and UI in their products quite well :)

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