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  • kobamotokobamoto

    @syrupcore said:
    $83 per voice is pretty remarkable but the Sonic State overview did nothing to sell me. Sorta put me off a bit actually.

    elaborate?

  • WillWill

    @kobamoto said:

    @syrupcore said:
    $83 per voice is pretty remarkable but the Sonic State overview did nothing to sell me. Sorta put me off a bit actually.

    elaborate?

    A lot of button pressing, too many "wait, how do I ______? moments" and it just didn't sound all that good.

  • DeVlaeminckDeVlaeminck

    Agree, looks like menu diving hell. Looking forward to see the promised IOS device managing instead.

  • kobamotokobamoto

    @syrupcore said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @syrupcore said:
    $83 per voice is pretty remarkable but the Sonic State overview did nothing to sell me. Sorta put me off a bit actually.

    elaborate?

    A lot of button pressing, too many "wait, how do I ______? moments" and it just didn't sound all that good.

    I got the same vibe, I know they've got allot of passion behind it but I wonder.....

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    They should have taken a note out of the Alesis Andromeda book. It had buttons in each section for quick access to modulation.

  • PhilWPhilW

    It seemed to be a reasonable balance between real knobs and menu access to me, most of the main parameters have a knob or slider that can be tweaked during performance. If you had sliders for all functions it would be twice the size and more expensive.

  • knewspeakknewspeak

    It's a fair balance between ease of use - depth of parameters - price, what else at this price offers a greater, easier amount of control? MorphoX4 maybe.

  • anicktanickt

    @kobamoto said:

    @syrupcore said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @syrupcore said:
    $83 per voice is pretty remarkable but the Sonic State overview did nothing to sell me. Sorta put me off a bit actually.

    elaborate?

    A lot of button pressing, too many "wait, how do I ______? moments" and it just didn't sound all that good.

    I got the same vibe, I know they've got allot of passion behind it but I wonder.....

    The synth was new to the guy in the video. He also admitted he was nervous about being in the video and that he's not a keyboard player. I wouldn't judge it on that.

    I was pleased to see that not only do you have direct control of most common synth parameters right on the front panel but there's a wealth of in-depth capabilities behind that. What's so bad about that?

    I don't get people's compulsion to find something to bash on a 12-voice analog poly at $999. Especially since people have been clamoring for an affordable analog poly for years.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @anickt said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @syrupcore said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @syrupcore said:
    $83 per voice is pretty remarkable but the Sonic State overview did nothing to sell me. Sorta put me off a bit actually.

    elaborate?

    A lot of button pressing, too many "wait, how do I ______? moments" and it just didn't sound all that good.

    I got the same vibe, I know they've got allot of passion behind it but I wonder.....

    The synth was new to the guy in the video. He also admitted he was nervous about being in the video and that he's not a keyboard player. I wouldn't judge it on that.

    I was pleased to see that not only do you have direct control of most common synth parameters right on the front panel but there's a wealth of in-depth capabilities behind that. What's so bad about that?

    I don't get people's compulsion to find something to bash on a 12-voice analog poly at $999. Especially since people have been clamoring for an affordable analog poly for years.

    Not really bashing it. It's always been an awkward compromise trying to make modulation matrices easy to use.

    People loved a lot of the older synths because they were 'hands on' and easy to see what was happening with the sound. Along came complex mod matrices and all of a sudden your trying to work out what is doing what. That's why I liked the Alesis Andromeda approach of buttons in sections that took you straight to whatever was set in the mod matrix.

    I was kind of wishing for less. Sounds odd maybe, but let's say, less fx and more instant access to them. Less modulation and more instant access to it. The rest of the set up seems simple enough.

  • anicktanickt

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @anickt said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @syrupcore said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @syrupcore said:
    $83 per voice is pretty remarkable but the Sonic State overview did nothing to sell me. Sorta put me off a bit actually.

    elaborate?

    A lot of button pressing, too many "wait, how do I ______? moments" and it just didn't sound all that good.

    I got the same vibe, I know they've got allot of passion behind it but I wonder.....

    The synth was new to the guy in the video. He also admitted he was nervous about being in the video and that he's not a keyboard player. I wouldn't judge it on that.

    I was pleased to see that not only do you have direct control of most common synth parameters right on the front panel but there's a wealth of in-depth capabilities behind that. What's so bad about that?

    I don't get people's compulsion to find something to bash on a 12-voice analog poly at $999. Especially since people have been clamoring for an affordable analog poly for years.

    Not really bashing it. It's always been an awkward compromise trying to make modulation matrices easy to use.

    People loved a lot of the older synths because they were 'hands on' and easy to see what was happening with the sound. Along came complex mod matrices and all of a sudden your trying to work out what is doing what. That's why I liked the Alesis Andromeda approach of buttons in sections that took you straight to whatever was set in the mod matrix.

    I was kind of wishing for less. Sounds odd maybe, but let's say, less fx and more instant access to them. Less modulation and more instant access to it. The rest of the set up seems simple enough.

    @Fruitbat1919 - I understand where you're coming from.

    My "bashing" comment was more about the overall response to this synth in various forums which seem to be somewhat negative.

    I guess that's something to be expected in these days of entitlement and outrage over every little thing. :/

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited August 2016

    @anickt said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @anickt said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @syrupcore said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @syrupcore said:
    $83 per voice is pretty remarkable but the Sonic State overview did nothing to sell me. Sorta put me off a bit actually.

    elaborate?

    A lot of button pressing, too many "wait, how do I ______? moments" and it just didn't sound all that good.

    I got the same vibe, I know they've got allot of passion behind it but I wonder.....

    The synth was new to the guy in the video. He also admitted he was nervous about being in the video and that he's not a keyboard player. I wouldn't judge it on that.

    I was pleased to see that not only do you have direct control of most common synth parameters right on the front panel but there's a wealth of in-depth capabilities behind that. What's so bad about that?

    I don't get people's compulsion to find something to bash on a 12-voice analog poly at $999. Especially since people have been clamoring for an affordable analog poly for years.

    Not really bashing it. It's always been an awkward compromise trying to make modulation matrices easy to use.

    People loved a lot of the older synths because they were 'hands on' and easy to see what was happening with the sound. Along came complex mod matrices and all of a sudden your trying to work out what is doing what. That's why I liked the Alesis Andromeda approach of buttons in sections that took you straight to whatever was set in the mod matrix.

    I was kind of wishing for less. Sounds odd maybe, but let's say, less fx and more instant access to them. Less modulation and more instant access to it. The rest of the set up seems simple enough.

    @Fruitbat1919 - I understand where you're coming from.

    My "bashing" comment was more about the overall response to this synth in various forums which seem to be somewhat negative.

    I guess that's something to be expected in these days of entitlement and outrage over every little thing. :/

    Yep does not surprise me. A lot of snobbery and love to hate in the synth world.
    Having owned many synths, a few things I can say for sure are:

    1. Most people don't use half the abilities of their synths.
    2. No synth is anywhere near perfect.
    3. Quality costs money and not many want or are able to pay.
    4. True creative types don't care if it's synth A or B, they will push its boundaries whatever it is.
    5. The greatest limit is our own skills
    6. Most including myself lack patience ;)
  • gburksgburks

    Maybe this and the Roland boutiques will make the price of Juno-106's come down... "Only" 6 voices!

  • WillWill

    Mod matrix with an 'Quick' mode that worked something like the way MIDI Learn works in some apps would be boss. Wouldn't work for all controls but:

    1. Open mod matrix
    2. Select Slot
    3. Move a control—that's now the source
    4. Cursor automatically moves to destination field. Move a control. Done
    5. Cursor moves to Amount which defaults to 100. Probably fine for most setups.

    There'd be a way to turn off quick mode within the mod matrix screen so you can go in and manually edit but it would remember the setting.

  • knewspeakknewspeak

    @syrupcore said:
    Mod matrix with an 'Quick' mode that worked something like the way MIDI Learn works in some apps would be boss. Wouldn't work for all controls but:

    1. Open mod matrix
    2. Select Slot
    3. Move a control—that's now the source
    4. Cursor automatically moves to destination field. Move a control. Done
    5. Cursor moves to Amount which defaults to 100. Probably fine for most setups.

    There'd be a way to turn off quick mode within the mod matrix screen so you can go in and manually edit but it would remember the setting.

    I thought you could do that with parameters that are on sliders etc, but not all parameters have sliders, but for anyone with an iPad, I thought the whole matrix was available and more.

  • WillWill

    @knewspeak That's cool, maybe I just missed it in the video.

  • knewspeakknewspeak

    @syrupcore said:
    @knewspeak That's cool, maybe I just missed it in the video.

    It could be, but on the video's so far we haven't seen very much of it's connectivity, midi automation etc, but I've heard that ext audio is not available, so no routing audio to the filters and/or fx.

  • WillWill

    You can see MIDI CCs pop up as sources while he's scrolling around in the mod matrix. That's very good news. And it's Oberheim Matrix 6 style in that modulation routings can themselves be destinations so that you can go nuts on pads and sound effects, etc. Also good news.

    Their in-house DCO demo video sounds completely boss.

  • anicktanickt

    Check out this one:

  • HalftoneHalftone

    Never owned a real synth before .. I probably won't get this - but it has peaked my interest a little. If I won $4-5 grand in a lottery next week I'd think seriously about parting with 1000 of that for this synth

  • cronycrony

    Sounds quite nice...Really too bad for not being a bit multitimbral, really...

  • kobamotokobamoto
    edited August 2016

    which do you guys think sounds better the Deepmind or the Nord A1 in spite of it being a va?

  • Redo1Redo1

    ^no comparison. From those demos at least. Which may not tell the whole story.

  • kobamotokobamoto

    which were you preferring

  • knewspeakknewspeak

    Thanks, for posting the videos, Synthfest UK, Sheffield, October 1, here I go.....

  • knewspeakknewspeak

    @kobamoto said:
    which were you preferring

    Both do indeed sound really good, but after a little volume matching, when listening to the most extremes of pitch range, analogue nearly always fairs better than VA, keeping the harmonics at the extremes requires a lot of CPU horsepower.

  • kobamotokobamoto

    @knewspeak said:

    @kobamoto said:
    which were you preferring

    Both do indeed sound really good, but after a little volume matching, when listening to the most extremes of pitch range, analogue nearly always fairs better than VA, keeping the harmonics at the extremes requires a lot of CPU horsepower.

    i dunno, I'm trying to talk myself out of the nord and into the D12, it offers so much but the sound is still leaving me wanting a bit. I know I'll have to sit down with it to know for sure.

  • knewspeakknewspeak

    @kobamoto said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @kobamoto said:
    which were you preferring

    Both do indeed sound really good, but after a little volume matching, when listening to the most extremes of pitch range, analogue nearly always fairs better than VA, keeping the harmonics at the extremes requires a lot of CPU horsepower.

    i dunno, I'm trying to talk myself out of the nord and into the D12, it offers so much but the sound is still leaving me wanting a bit. I know I'll have to sit down with it to know for sure.

    Only way is to Demo both, see if one floats your boat. Plus they have to give you something you need, not just want.

  • kobamotokobamoto

    yes, and what I need is one or the other lol :)

  • cronycrony

    http://fr.audiofanzine.com/synthe-modelisation/clavia/nord-lead-a1/editorial/tests/simply-red.html

    32 voices of polyphony, multitimbral 4 parts (but I'm not sure how controllable it is, needs more investigation...) known quality brand...
    Deepmind 12 sounds more risky to me...Even if ease of editing still seems seducing to me...

  • kobamotokobamoto

    I understand the specs on paper between the two but I'm curious what you guys think about the sound between the two?

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