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So far on the limited videos I've heard (can be so deceiving), I have to say I prefer the cutting lead sounds made by the Nord Lead A1. Spending a grand though does require a proper try in person, unless you are rolling in money. If your rolling in money then get them both lol
for me it is the A1.
I'll have to try the deepmind12 myself or be close to one while played though. from the recent videos, the sound is not exciting me too much.
same here, watched the SOS clip... I wouldn't hesitate one second and snatch the Nord
'not exiting too much' is a very polite description, imh ears it's plain boring
the fx unit by TC is nice, tho...
someone at synthtopia described it in a very interesting way , they said it reminds them of the sound of a soft synth and I couldn't help but wonder if 'that' is what is nagging me in the back of my mind. I'm surprised at how warmer/organic the Nord A1 sounds to me but at the same time I've spent time with the a1 in person. This is why I've been trying to see how the videos of both are coming across to people. I guess I'm a little disappointed and was expecting to be wowed by the D12. Still holding out for a chance to try one though.... That's going to be difficult if the release is anything like the minilogue was, I live around a ton of music stores and none of them were even entertaining setting up demos.
At this stage I have no preference. I was definitely underwhelmed by the sonicstate video - but when I listen to the Behringer videos I am far more impressed by the sound. I really think until we get a proper review/demo with plenty of good quality audio it's impossible to make a judgement on the sound.
I really want to love it as a 12 voice analog poly (albeit DCO)at that price would for me fill a gap in my setup. Although not convinced as yet it am still hopeful it will sound great. no interest in a hardware VA for me no matter how good - have that covered in software.
you may pay some attention to the fx settings of sound examples: it's (for obvious reasons) a digital unit by TC Electronic. The sound is well known by whatever was processed on a Powercore, so it's no wonder that it reminds on 'a softsynth' sometimes.
To judge the analog part of the sound, the fx unit should be shut off completely.
Now how many examples were without reverb, delay, chorus, flanging ?
The 'soundprint' of an fx unit is crucial, regardless if the source signal is analog or digital.
An Ensoniq DP2/4 unit makes their ASR sampler (in combination with it's high quality digital filter) almost sound 'analog'.
On the other hand a more grainy, digital source (oscillator) with all it's overtones may be just the right stuff for an analog filter (early EMUs, Ensonig SQ80, Mirage, OSCar...).
There is no 'either-or', it just depends on implementation.
Regarding analog filters and envelopes it shows up best in mono sources.
The more voices and/or detuning, the more it blurrs, add fx and you can't even tell analog from digital anymore, at least with 50% or higher wet settings...
Since there's a wealth of great sounding virtual analog synths availabe, say the Nord A1, DIVA, DRC in IOS... the (audio) benchmark for any analog synth is high... if it wants to add something AUDIBLE to the palette.
Other than that it's just about bragging with 'exclusivity', pretending the sound gourmet and such things...
cheer, Tom
I do like that the D12's got something like over a 1000 patch memory, everyday the lack of patch memory on the korg minilogue gets on my nerves, you could use up 200 slots just creating sequences without even thinking about it, it's annoying.
that's one thing I've always liked about the Nords, they've never had to rely on fx to sound good but their fx engines have always sounded tasteful to my ears for the most part,
It's probably too early to tell until we hear some more patches. I haven't seen all of the demo videos, but I'm curious to find out how many preset/user patches it has.
Something about it doesn’t sound quite “true” to me. I’d want to see the circuit diagram to see for myself what’s going on. I half suspect that what they mean by “analogue” translates to “routed through twelve analogue filters” and everything else is digital.
Time for a Q&A,
I'm a guitar, not a synth guy, but I found this Q & A absolutely fascinating; seeing what things guys who really know their stuff are looking for in an analog synth. (And in the end, all this talk has inspired me to start playing around with my Kawai K4, which has spent most of the last 25 years acting as my midi controller....)
(As for Behringer build quality, who knows? I have Berry active monitors: the first pair sounded great, but developed a repetitive clicking sound in the first two weeks. Their free replacements have worked perfectly for the last 11 years...)
I'm finding the Matrix Brute more inspiring sound wise at the moment.
Yea but its mono (OK may be paraphonic?) and I personally have no great faith in Arturia to produce this reliably or to solve in a reasonable time period the bugs which will inevitably be present. If they do it looks like it will be a really good mono but the market is saturated with really good mono's and the arturia's sound does not inspire me personally. By the time the Matixbrute hits the shops (if) they will have lost much of their potential market to other proven mono's or to the hopefully expanding no of reasonably priced polys.
For me a good well priced poly is of far more interest.
All valid points
They say space maybe infinite, but at my place it's in short supply, so I may go for DM12 rack-desktop, after a test drive, so that would most likely take it into the new year, but by then who knows.
Space and cost means I'm going to stick to my iPad and save for a quality controller keyboard instead....maybe one for each hand lol
it's tough decision, no it's not yes it is no it's not yes it is
Monkeying up analog synths with a shitload of fx is so 90s
Been there, done that
yawn, all you need to do is spreading the right buzzwords and ppl go crazy
Richard Devine became the new industry whore, can't trust a word he says, he also said nice things about the awful akai tomcat or whatever it was. I bet I could play him the sound of my doorbell and he would say oh that's a nice analog sound
So much for that.
What Roland is doing is far more interesting to me ...
What are Roland doing?
2 b revealed on 9/09
Even what Roland have done already. The crossover synths are far more interesting in my opinion.
Let's hope it's not just another bunch of VAs,.
at least these cats are doin something, it was quite a dry run for a while, now they are all invested in a little competition
One is likely to be a bigger poly version of their System 1 with the boutigue synths as the keyboards emulated. If they add split and arp, it will be pretty cool. O and a better keybed of course!
I must admit I'm coming round to the idea that the Deep Mind 12 is actually the most interesting synth on the market for about that price, other than the Minilogue, if you want a powerful modern analogue synth.
However, if I were to have a single “the one and only” analogue (to take the place of the old vintage ones I used to have) there's a conflict with my requirements. I really want:
Those two things don't easily exist together even these days. A Korg Arp Odyssey seems a fantastic synth, and having grown up using the real Odyssey and Avatars, and still having the 2600 here, it'd be ideal as the “chosen one” single synth, except that there's no data transmission of knob values.
A Minilogue or Deep Mind 12 or, well, basically anything else like that, have patch recall, midi knob out, but inevitably a multiplicity or overload of functions on knobs, such as setting several different envelopes with one set of ADSR knobs, or suchlike, and worse, often use knobs that are encoded and as such have no physical marking or pointer to look at. It is very important to be able to look at a synth and in one parallel view see what the current state is without having to do further action to get to further information.
If I give up the idea of patch saving and midi transmitting of parameters, then the KArp Odyssey is the clear winner for me (if only it were a touch cheaper, too).
The Nord Lead 3 had a great idea with its light rings around the knobs. Not perfect, but still gave you a better idea of what was happening. Yep I know it's a VA and it was expensive.
So we have the tech to be able to show values, but can you imagine the cost on an analog, shame.
I'm of the mind that they want to put too much into the Deepmind12 and it will lose that hands on immediacy.
As for data transmission, it's a crime when they don't include it.
It will be interesting to see the use of iPad connectivity and the DM12, viewing of parameters, mod matrix and fx. This could save a lot of menu diving, who knows it may open other possibilities, like Link, or further connectivity via the iPad.
True. I always think of iPad connectivity as low importance in the long term feature set. Not because it's not great to have, but that the software often gets left behind and becomes useless later on.
A desktop version would be nice. I don't have enough room for another big honking keyboard.
Same here, think the tabletop is tabled for the new year.