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Reading that is great news if true. 4 USB ports. So if true it's still being taken seriously for professional use
See that's the thing for me. They may be taking away ports, but having 4 USB-c ports instead is fair and future looking without going to the extreme one port solution.
Making money is the measure of success — so knowing what their market will buy is knowing what they’re doing. As you say, only time will tell. An overwhelming majority of iPhone users are not by any stretch using the devices for professional music applications, or professional anything. With any device, Apple can use the word “Pro” or “Professional” to fit whatever market they like. It could just mean bigger or faster than other options. They can piss off millions of people in the short term, and in the long term still be offering the best technology available for the mass market, and for us musicians too.
In a nutshell, ignoring all the hype and kerfuffle the iPhone 7 changes mean this:
If you're in the UK, as well as the other price increases, to take advantage of the new iPhone wireless headphones feature you'll have to pay another £160 for the earbuds.
If you're going to stick with the 'old' method, then you have to use a 'dongle' to do so...which kinda messus up their 'thinner, sleeker, better' raison d'être for the new thing, as it'll be more clunky than using the previous model. And you'll need a multitude of other interfaces if you want to monitor what you're playing, charge the phone while listening etc. A backwards step, and a classic example of form over function.
If this really was a user-driven, rather than profit-driven change then there'd be a standard headphone jack version for non-hipsters.
I'm not going to be argumentative with regards to your first comment. I will just state my disagreement with it.
The iPhone market and its main user base are not in question in my comment, so nothing to say on that.
The use of the word Pro is mentioned in my comments and saying quite rightly Apple can use the word how they desire is not in question.
As said, wait and see. So far from the link above, it looks quite positive that Apple will supply enough ports for the type of professional use I mentioned (negating the problems of the one port solution). So, yes they can do as you say and offer solutions that cater to both the mass market and musicians. They could also take the one socket solution further to an extreme conclusion and not make a solution that is the 'best technology' for the music market.
The thing is, it is up for discussion and best we say what we want now. No point in just sitting back and thinking Apple know best. Apple only know what is right for certain markets when the users tell them, so as always I recommend people to say what they want. You may not get exactly what you want, but you do have a better chance than just keeping quiet. This is not a us against them scenario.
Have your say on what you want and how you can use what you get. Don't get too concerned with what others feel or say, as they won't be using your devices for you
As I said, im with you on many thoughts, all valid points but still there a lot more in life that matters
than the 3.5 removal of Apple.
Yes that's good news if so. Thinking about getting a Macbook Pro but if they start reducing ports it will put me off. No excuses for a pro laptop.
There are, but it's alarming to some of us more elderly users - as we can see that things are being made 'slightly worse', and we might not be around long enough to see the inevitable turnaround when they sack the people making bad decisions and get some proper designers in. So my last years may mean my iOS music making is more of a chore, more expensive, and covered in dongles, battery packs and interfaces instead of the nice thing it is now.
You can use the 'worse off' arguement about anything: "stop moaning about losing your leg, the bloke in the next bed's had both off" etc. Doesn't mean losing your leg, or your headphone socket isn't a valid complaint.
Agree with this
I can appreciate people having debate for and against something. I just don't get the 'just get on with it' ideal. Of course we will all continue with what we have, but what is the point in not discussing any possible negatives of what Apple have done along with the positives? Yes some people let their passions run amok. Yes some lose sight of reasoned debate when their passions run amok. Yet, the opposites are also true. People are letting their passions run amok when trying to argue against points being made against the subject at hand.
Think about what some have said in all the 3.5mm threads. Some have called people names for decrying this act. Some have demeaned people's fears and even reasoned argument. Some have belittled their right to have opinion or even 'minoritised' any validity that their needs represent. Having some people make emotive non reasoned points on the loss of the 3.5mm socket does not invalidate the fact that there is reasoned argument that it is not of benefit and downright negative for some groups. Reasoning that as a business is only in it for profit, does not negate the reasoning for discussion or negate the benefit of such discussion. Reasoning that the opinion of smaller market segments are somehow irrelevant to the subject is blinkered thinking and I doubt long term successful companies really think that way.
A passionate area for discussion no doubt. Have your say. Think of your needs and state them - it is not a selfish act to do so. Then relax and make some music in the knowledge that you've said your piece. Maybe smoke a cigar or take your dog for a walk and smile
As a musician, my concern is with iOS things of a musical nature, primarily. I don't care if we are a tiny proportion of iphone users, we are still significant users.
I do detect something of 'apologism' regarding the supposed technical far-sightedness of Apple regarding how we are being told that 'technology is moving on' and Apple is somehow helping us along - or what if it was just a business decision, after all ?
I think Apple should have included a courtesy lightning charging port on the free included 3.5mm adapter. I realize it would be larger, but at least you don't have to accept a loss of ports right out of the gate.
Apple sells the new lightning to 3.5mm adapters separately for $9 and it is supposed to work with any ios10 device. So it would be easy to compare sound quality to the built in 3.5mm port, not that it really matters since the damage is already done for I'm assuming all upcoming devices.
http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MMX62AM/A/lightning-to-35-mm-headphone-jack-adapter
big +1
It's just dumb. Plain and simple case of a bad idea, no matter the motives. Pointless. If they needed more money they could have actually took the time to make something new or worthwhile to sell, they are Apple after all are they no longer capable of innovating? So from that perspective it's just laziness. Half assed stuff. Will it bother me? Not really, not buying the new phone anyways. But just from a logical perspective you can't help but look at this and shake your head. It's just lazy and stupid and a sign that Apple can't come up with anything new, so let's take away something tried and tested and sell a replacement.
In defense of the airpods battery life issue talked about in the video:
First, those headphones are not meant for professional audio use, that's clear...but who would use those type of headphones anyway for pro audio?, wired or Bluetooth from any company.
Second, Who uses their headphones for 5 hours straight?, whether I'm listening to music, videos, podcasts... I'm just using them for 2 hours, 3 hours tops before taking a break of 30 min to an hour, otherwise I start felling really uncomfortable with them.
In the mean time I would just charge the headphones, 15 min give you 3 hours of playtime according to Apple.
Third, on a regular day usage, who's able to use their headphones for 5 hours straight even if you feel no discomfort leaving them on for that long? You have to take them off when you get to school, or to work, or back to home with family, etc. Just put them to charge in the mean time. (Putting them on and off and in the case would probably take as long as the time it's takes to untangle wired headphones and then fold them when you're done, some people even store them in a case as well)
Fourth, the airpods case last for 20 hours. That could be as long as a month or as short as a week if you're a power headphone user, it's still a lot of time and it's not daily charging.
It's basically a non issue.
Edit: I am still not buying this headphones, if I want to turn up the volume I need to double click one of them which will pause the audio then wait till Siri comes up and then speak out loud a command to turn up the volume?, every time I want to do it? And how many levels will it actually go up?, other options? Take out your phone to adjust the volume manually or doing it from an Apple Watch (which it's cool unless you don't have one) and it's the same thing if you want to skip a song, go back a song, etc. that's a genuine downgrade from current EarPods.
I have to say I'm actually quite impressed what the people at IK announced today and It's apparently just the beginning...
Now we'll just have to wait for a 'thing' that is not so focused on stringed instruments
(Stereo Audio In/Out and Midi In/Out for starters).
I think KORG released something like this but with MIDI controllers in mind.
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Ya, the 'Korg Plug-Key' with Audio-Out and Midi-In still no Midi-Out or Audio-In but we'll have to wait and see.
The Korg Plug-Key is also 'Lightning Only' making it very hard to use together with other devices.
The positive side of this IK thing is that it can also be used with just about anything keeping the 'quality' consistent wether used with iOS or Mac/Win...
You're right, as a keyboard performer only I didn't even think about the lack of audio in and MIDI out. this product it completely made for someone like me. also I'm iOS only, the IK multimedia thing it's more complete.
I think the potential for improvement of audio quality having a digital connection is great. So I'm looking forward to that future...
The thing that gets me is the inconsistency of it all. So the MacBook 12 has a charger block with a USB-C port. Yet the iPhone/iPad still comes with a charger block that uses USB-A to lightning cable. So then you can't use the MacBook charger block with the iDevices without a different cable. If the next MacBook Pros will be USB-C then you won't be able to plug the iDevices in there without an alternate cable. Shouldn't the charger blocks for the iDevices be updated to USB-C? I haven't heard anything about the iPhone 7 shipping with a USB-C charger block. And while they're at it, are they going to add a lightning port to all the MacBooks so that lightning headphones will work there?
I find it convenient to have the iPhone earbuds with me for use with the phone, but then be able to plug them in to the iMac at work. A couple years down the line, if one has a recent model of all these Apple toys, is there going to be one set of headphones that work with all of them?
Some good points made there.
I disagree
I like to sit on the balcony
And it's not just about music
It's all audio
From stuff like checking is this the right file
To skype
Or recording podcasts
Or whatever
Laptop + cans
Good to go
To lazy to connect the Interface
And Drag that around too...
By the way, did I mention that I always loose adapters ...
And then u sit in the middle of nowhere and ish doesn't work
I hate that
Headphone jack is really basic I/O
This has to work
Pro
Use an Ipad Bro
@srcer digital out was already an option before iPhone7, in addition to analog and BT. The Apogee Groove and zone, and so on, are examples.
The key word here it was an 'option'. The headphone socket is no longer an option for a quality audio signal, Lightning is now the only option.
I don't see a disagreement. All anyone here can do is either like, hate, or be indifferent to what Apple is doing—or they can try to understand what is going on and what could be the future. My position is that I’m thinking about what’s going on and why. I know some people just want to be angry, and part of that is being angry with anyone who isn’t bashing Apple. I don’t know whether Apple’s making the right move or not. I know they make controversial moves that some people hate, and rather than hurting the company, they land on their feet with a larger market share. That’s what I’m hoping for because, the stronger Apple is, the better chance they'll make products I’ll use. In light of that, the headphone jack is a small deal to me, and it wouldn’t surprise me if it leads to better things down the line.
@lovadamusic
I'm disagreeing with your first statement, but to discuss that would have just taken off topic. The fact you don't see a disagreement is well, whatever it is.
No need to just like, hate or be indifferent. Discussion of what Apple have done and any possible ramifications can be done without those, so yes, we can try to understand what is going on or what this means for the future. Exactly what is being done. Not sure why you are telling me this? This is what I am doing, discussing how the removal of the jack could possibly affect future Apple products and users. Looking at past examples of the one socket approach and what it would mean to many if this approach was expanded throughout other products in the ranges.
If you think that my representation of the one socket approach is wrong, or that the possible future ramifications are wrong, then discuss why. I get the feeling from the points you pick up on, that you think I'm just a moaning Apple hater or some such thing. Why do I think this? I think this because you never discuss the main points I'm making. In this discussion, you have not discussed the possible ramifications of a single port ideal at all. You have just picked up on areas where words such as Pro can be used to mean different things, yet in my initial comment made it quite clear that was the case.
So, I apologise if I just don't understand the way you express yourself. I just don't get why you say what you are saying most of the time. You seem to be stating things as if my comments are in conflict with what you are saying, yet I am really struggling to see where. So I'm going to be honest and say that my initial impression of discussion with yourself, is that you just want to be disagreeable for the sake of. Now Instead, I'm just going to apologise that I really struggle to follow what you are saying and how you express yourself.
Wish you the best in all your meanderings in Audiobus land.
The beauty and the ugliness of topics like this is that everyone of us has views and opinions about what and when he needs or uses best to accomplish his own goals musically.
@Lala, i too am doing it like that, I plug my cans directly into my Macbook Pro, don't want to be walking around with my interface all the time but I do take it along with me when I need better output and more inputs etc and as such I think i wont notice the removal all to hard.
In regards to the balcony thing. I have never really gotten the "make music everywhere" notion that's become a trend. Laptop and Programs need time to boot and load, you need to connect stuff you need to settle down somewhere with a good underground (table). It's not spontaneous at all, it just can't be, its not like a violin you pick up and play and furthermore when your making music your looking into your screen at least I do. I hardly ever notice whats around me because I am focused on my music
+1
I don't like being forced to upgrade to something when there's already a cheaper alternative available, and one I've already spent money on equipment wise. And Apple knows they've got hold of a lot of us by the short and curlies, as we've got a fortune invested in Apple-only apps.
If the competition wasn't such a shambles Apple wouldn't be getting such an easy ride.
We definitely could do with some healthy competition in the touch screen music making arena. Would be of benefit to all of us.
This exactly, if think you are serious about music, and are happy just using the 3.5mm jack input/output with its crappy DAC then you really are not THAT serious about music.
Just my 2c