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iPhone 7 No headphone jack │ How will this affect iOS musicians - haQ VLog 107

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  • @AndyPlankton said:

    @o_imseng said:
    Well its all valid points but consider this. There's a lot of people actually buying special DAC Adapters or Boxes to improve their listening quality even though their Android Devices still have a 3.5 Jack. I mean the adapter even ships with the iPhone7 so no need to buy it seperately.
    I personally don't think its too bad, if you're serious about music you are most likely connecting some sort of audio interface/dock to your device anyway.

    This exactly, if think you are serious about music, and are happy just using the 3.5mm jack input/output with its crappy DAC then you really are not THAT serious about music.

    Just my 2c

    People probably said the same about our beer crate keyboard stands and taped up speakers. Where's ya punk ethic gone dude :p

  • iOS music - the new experimental post punk ;)

  • @AndyPlankton said:

    @o_imseng said:
    Well its all valid points but consider this. There's a lot of people actually buying special DAC Adapters or Boxes to improve their listening quality even though their Android Devices still have a 3.5 Jack. I mean the adapter even ships with the iPhone7 so no need to buy it seperately.
    I personally don't think its too bad, if you're serious about music you are most likely connecting some sort of audio interface/dock to your device anyway.

    This exactly, if think you are serious about music, and are happy just using the 3.5mm jack input/output with its crappy DAC then you really are not THAT serious about music.

    Just my 2c

    I guess I'm not then, I've been fine with it when I want to use it as an option. I've also used my other interfaces at other times. I like options like that. Since I have 2 interfaces that don't charge the device, there are times I'm plugged in and still using the headphone jack.

    One thing I know about the converters in the ios devices - they haven't helped any of my songs become a hit. Coincidentally, they're most likely NOT any one of the many reasons why any of my songs have not become a hit. I'd love it if that statement was wrong, if it is then I'm buying new converters today. Of course, when I had an apogee one I didn't have any hits either.

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @o_imseng said:
    Well its all valid points but consider this. There's a lot of people actually buying special DAC Adapters or Boxes to improve their listening quality even though their Android Devices still have a 3.5 Jack. I mean the adapter even ships with the iPhone7 so no need to buy it seperately.
    I personally don't think its too bad, if you're serious about music you are most likely connecting some sort of audio interface/dock to your device anyway.

    This exactly, if think you are serious about music, and are happy just using the 3.5mm jack input/output with its crappy DAC then you really are not THAT serious about music.

    Just my 2c

    People probably said the same about our beer crate keyboard stands and taped up speakers. Where's ya punk ethic gone dude :p

    The punk in me says it should be LOUDER :)

  • @AndyPlankton said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @o_imseng said:
    Well its all valid points but consider this. There's a lot of people actually buying special DAC Adapters or Boxes to improve their listening quality even though their Android Devices still have a 3.5 Jack. I mean the adapter even ships with the iPhone7 so no need to buy it seperately.
    I personally don't think its too bad, if you're serious about music you are most likely connecting some sort of audio interface/dock to your device anyway.

    This exactly, if think you are serious about music, and are happy just using the 3.5mm jack input/output with its crappy DAC then you really are not THAT serious about music.

    Just my 2c

    People probably said the same about our beer crate keyboard stands and taped up speakers. Where's ya punk ethic gone dude :p

    The punk in me says it should be LOUDER :)

    That's cos you've forgot to replace your earpiece batteries again ;)

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:

    That's cos you've forgot to replace your earpiece batteries again ;)

    Can you speak up a bit please...I think the batteries in my earpiece might be going flat !

  • A few ideas of interest when discussing quality of sound:

    Yes it's always better to use what creates the best sound quality.
    No it's not always going to make a big difference.

    Why?

    Working with quality sound adheres to the adage of quality in quality out.
    You can't always maintain the quality chain. More people listen through low quality speakers with low quality amplification than listen with quality gear. There are many circumstances where small increases in quality output will be lost or make negligible difference.

    Also remember:

    Some sound is better than no sound, so having a standard that you could buy for a gig in an emergency is sometimes preferable to having to search hard for adaptors in small UK towns late at night. The more socket options, the safer you are.

    The punk ethic says 'just do it' - so get out there and play whatever the sound quality of a socket because unless you are already doing quite well, you are probably going through a drunken PA, worked by a drunken PAist, listened to by drunken people haha :p

  • @mrufino1 said:

    I guess I'm not then, I've been fine with it when I want to use it as an option. I've also used my other interfaces at other times. I like options like that. Since I have 2 interfaces that don't charge the device, there are times I'm plugged in and still using the headphone jack.

    One thing I know about the converters in the ios devices - they haven't helped any of my songs become a hit. Coincidentally, they're most likely NOT any one of the many reasons why any of my songs have not become a hit. I'd love it if that statement was wrong, if it is then I'm buying new converters today. Of course, when I had an apogee one I didn't have any hits either.

    Forgive me if I am wrong, but you're saying you use the 3.5mm when charging, otherwise you use your interfaces ?

    Using the 3.5mm is a workaround used by many, me included in the past, to get around the real problem which is not being able to charge while using an interface, or a camera, or any other USB device.....this problem exists whether you have the 3.5mm or not.
    Apple recognised this problem and released the CCK with charging. Yes I know it costs...but hey, as Apple users, that is the world we live in. If your interface is Lighning only, with no USB option, and it doesn't charge, then yes you are screwed.

    And yes I agree, If Apple released a device with DAC-PAT (Polish A Turd)...then i would buy one immediately......
    I have a lot of turds that need polishing :)

  • @AndyPlankton said:

    @o_imseng said:
    Well its all valid points but consider this. There's a lot of people actually buying special DAC Adapters or Boxes to improve their listening quality even though their Android Devices still have a 3.5 Jack. I mean the adapter even ships with the iPhone7 so no need to buy it seperately.
    I personally don't think its too bad, if you're serious about music you are most likely connecting some sort of audio interface/dock to your device anyway.

    This exactly, if think you are serious about music, and are happy just using the 3.5mm jack input/output with its crappy DAC then you really are not THAT serious about music.

    Just my 2c

    I use the 3.5mm jack, out split into stereo line-ins to a mixing desk, then to a PA. Sounds great, certainly no worse than any of my other gear. I don't understand why this means I'm not serious about making music.

    Just because we've not bought the latest kit, doesn't mean we're not serious about what we do. You could expand this statement to cover anyone using synth apps on an iPad instead of buying hardware synths.

    Bit elitist?

  • @MonzoPro said:

    I use the 3.5mm jack, out split into stereo line-ins to a mixing desk, then to a PA. Sounds great, certainly no worse than any of my other gear. I don't understand why this means I'm not serious about making music.

    You're right, I hadn't considered this scenario, if you're going to a PA then you do not need the best quality as there will be noise in the room anyway, well, assuming your audience has turned up anyway :p

    Just because we've not bought the latest kit, doesn't mean we're not serious about what we do. You could expand this statement to cover anyone using synth apps on an iPad instead of buying hardware synths.

    Bit elitist?

    >
    I should have been more clear in my statement, I was seconding a poster who was talking about 'listening quality', the only time that this is really important is when hooking up to either very high quality headphones or high quality amplifiers in treated rooms, or to other recording equipment. Anyone who is doing that is not using MP3 or 44K 16 bit output from a headphone jack, or if they are, they have wasted a lot of money on high quality playback/recording devices.

    I was not referring to people being serious about making music, this is a totally different thing.....there are some very, very serious spoon players out there :)

    Apologies for not being clearer in my initial statement.

  • @AndyPlankton said:

    @o_imseng said:
    Well its all valid points but consider this. There's a lot of people actually buying special DAC Adapters or Boxes to improve their listening quality even though their Android Devices still have a 3.5 Jack. I mean the adapter even ships with the iPhone7 so no need to buy it seperately.
    I personally don't think its too bad, if you're serious about music you are most likely connecting some sort of audio interface/dock to your device anyway.

    This exactly, if think you are serious about music, and are happy just using the 3.5mm jack input/output with its crappy DAC then you really are not THAT serious about music.

    Just my 2c

    For the sake of balance, I was under the impression that the headphone DAC was considered to be high (or at least pretty high) quality by the hifi brigade.

  • edited September 2016

    Same goes for me :) wasnt meant to come across a bit elitist.

  • @Igneous1 said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @o_imseng said:
    Well its all valid points but consider this. There's a lot of people actually buying special DAC Adapters or Boxes to improve their listening quality even though their Android Devices still have a 3.5 Jack. I mean the adapter even ships with the iPhone7 so no need to buy it seperately.
    I personally don't think its too bad, if you're serious about music you are most likely connecting some sort of audio interface/dock to your device anyway.

    This exactly, if think you are serious about music, and are happy just using the 3.5mm jack input/output with its crappy DAC then you really are not THAT serious about music.

    Just my 2c

    For the sake of balance, I was under the impression that the headphone DAC was considered to be high (or at least pretty high) quality by the hifi brigade.

    It used to be in the older iPods, it was very good indeed, but I believe the newer ones are of a much lesser quality.

  • I always wanted create music below sea level or sitting in bath. Great choice if your hobby is diving.

  • @AndyPlankton said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    I use the 3.5mm jack, out split into stereo line-ins to a mixing desk, then to a PA. Sounds great, certainly no worse than any of my other gear. I don't understand why this means I'm not serious about making music.

    You're right, I hadn't considered this scenario, if you're going to a PA then you do not need the best quality as there will be noise in the room anyway, well, assuming your audience has turned up anyway :p

    Just because we've not bought the latest kit, doesn't mean we're not serious about what we do. You could expand this statement to cover anyone using synth apps on an iPad instead of buying hardware synths.

    Bit elitist?

    >
    I should have been more clear in my statement, I was seconding a poster who was talking about 'listening quality', the only time that this is really important is when hooking up to either very high quality headphones or high quality amplifiers in treated rooms, or to other recording equipment. Anyone who is doing that is not using MP3 or 44K 16 bit output from a headphone jack, or if they are, they have wasted a lot of money on high quality playback/recording devices.

    I was not referring to people being serious about making music, this is a totally different thing.....there are some very, very serious spoon players out there :)

    Apologies for not being clearer in my initial statement.

    Yeah no worries. I scare people off with the actual playing of my music anyway, spending thousands on the latest kit wouldn't make much difference to my horrible racket.

    That's the nice thing about iOS music, not that you can make a horrible racket, but that you can make music on a reasonable budget, and it opens it up to those of us whose wives have decided we can't afford PC or hardware kit.

  • @MonzoPro said:
    Yeah no worries. I scare people off with the actual playing of my music anyway, spending thousands on the latest kit wouldn't make much difference to my horrible racket.

    That's the nice thing about iOS music, not that you can make a horrible racket, but that you can make music on a reasonable budget, and it opens it up to those of us whose wives have decided we can't afford PC or hardware kit.

    You're not actually me are you ? :D For the record, I like the stuff you have been doing :)

    The downside for me on iOS is the sweet shop nature of the apps, I want them all just so i can try them out....but WOW..what a downside to have :D


  • The worlds most expensive DAC and I am serious that I can't afford it :p

  • @AndyPlankton said:

    @Igneous1 said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @o_imseng said:
    Well its all valid points but consider this. There's a lot of people actually buying special DAC Adapters or Boxes to improve their listening quality even though their Android Devices still have a 3.5 Jack. I mean the adapter even ships with the iPhone7 so no need to buy it seperately.
    I personally don't think its too bad, if you're serious about music you are most likely connecting some sort of audio interface/dock to your device anyway.

    This exactly, if think you are serious about music, and are happy just using the 3.5mm jack input/output with its crappy DAC then you really are not THAT serious about music.

    Just my 2c

    For the sake of balance, I was under the impression that the headphone DAC was considered to be high (or at least pretty high) quality by the hifi brigade.

    It used to be in the older iPods, it was very good indeed, but I believe the newer ones are of a much lesser quality.

    Those obsessional folk at Head-Fi seem to rate the iphone 6 DAC pretty highly (mostly)
    http://www.head-fi.org/t/733890/iphone-6-6-plus-audio-quality

  • @jakoB_haQ I needed a lift this morning and your out takes delivered. Funny as hell. Thank you for that and for your stone cold logic on the issue.

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:

    The worlds most expensive DAC and I am serious that I can't afford it :p

    How many carrots Doc?

  • @knewspeak said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    The worlds most expensive DAC and I am serious that I can't afford it :p

    How many carrots Doc?

    Don't be fooled it's only a cheap paintjob. Also available in cheap looking black haha. It is meant to be the dogs danglies in DACs though ;)

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:

    the dogs danglies in DACs

    That's easy for you to say

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    the dogs danglies in DACs

    That's easy for you to say

    Trust me it wasn't :p Nearly lost my false teeth in the process

  • @AndyPlankton said:

    @mrufino1 said:

    I guess I'm not then, I've been fine with it when I want to use it as an option. I've also used my other interfaces at other times. I like options like that. Since I have 2 interfaces that don't charge the device, there are times I'm plugged in and still using the headphone jack.

    One thing I know about the converters in the ios devices - they haven't helped any of my songs become a hit. Coincidentally, they're most likely NOT any one of the many reasons why any of my songs have not become a hit. I'd love it if that statement was wrong, if it is then I'm buying new converters today. Of course, when I had an apogee one I didn't have any hits either.

    Forgive me if I am wrong, but you're saying you use the 3.5mm when charging, otherwise you use your interfaces ?

    Using the 3.5mm is a workaround used by many, me included in the past, to get around the real problem which is not being able to charge while using an interface, or a camera, or any other USB device.....this problem exists whether you have the 3.5mm or not.
    Apple recognised this problem and released the CCK with charging. Yes I know it costs...but hey, as Apple users, that is the world we live in. If your interface is Lighning only, with no USB option, and it doesn't charge, then yes you are screwed.

    And yes I agree, If Apple released a device with DAC-PAT (Polish A Turd)...then i would buy one immediately......
    I have a lot of turds that need polishing :)

    Nope, I meant sometimes I work on music with no interface, not charging, just my headphones plugged in the iPad, mixing while sitting in a park, my car, etc. But with your subsequent posts I understand your meaning more. Music isn't my full time job (at least in terms of income) and I don't take it that seriously, but don't take that to mean I'm not serious about making music, if that makes any sense.

  • @mrufino1 said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @mrufino1 said:

    I guess I'm not then, I've been fine with it when I want to use it as an option. I've also used my other interfaces at other times. I like options like that. Since I have 2 interfaces that don't charge the device, there are times I'm plugged in and still using the headphone jack.

    One thing I know about the converters in the ios devices - they haven't helped any of my songs become a hit. Coincidentally, they're most likely NOT any one of the many reasons why any of my songs have not become a hit. I'd love it if that statement was wrong, if it is then I'm buying new converters today. Of course, when I had an apogee one I didn't have any hits either.

    Forgive me if I am wrong, but you're saying you use the 3.5mm when charging, otherwise you use your interfaces ?

    Using the 3.5mm is a workaround used by many, me included in the past, to get around the real problem which is not being able to charge while using an interface, or a camera, or any other USB device.....this problem exists whether you have the 3.5mm or not.
    Apple recognised this problem and released the CCK with charging. Yes I know it costs...but hey, as Apple users, that is the world we live in. If your interface is Lighning only, with no USB option, and it doesn't charge, then yes you are screwed.

    And yes I agree, If Apple released a device with DAC-PAT (Polish A Turd)...then i would buy one immediately......
    I have a lot of turds that need polishing :)

    Nope, I meant sometimes I work on music with no interface, not charging, just my headphones plugged in the iPad, mixing while sitting in a park, my car, etc. But with your subsequent posts I understand your meaning more. Music isn't my full time job (at least in terms of income) and I don't take it that seriously, but don't take that to mean I'm not serious about making music, if that makes any sense.

    Absolutely agree, that is me too, Music is my hobby not my living, doesn't mean I'm not serious about it. For your in the park scenario then the adapter that is supplied with the iPhone 7 will do the trick, if you don't want to carry it around, just leave it dangling on the end of your headphones, or if your not overly bothered about having the full quality (doing a draft mix for example) then use BT headphones as the latency is not really an issue for mixing.

  • @Igneous1 said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @Igneous1 said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @o_imseng said:
    Well its all valid points but consider this. There's a lot of people actually buying special DAC Adapters or Boxes to improve their listening quality even though their Android Devices still have a 3.5 Jack. I mean the adapter even ships with the iPhone7 so no need to buy it seperately.
    I personally don't think its too bad, if you're serious about music you are most likely connecting some sort of audio interface/dock to your device anyway.

    This exactly, if think you are serious about music, and are happy just using the 3.5mm jack input/output with its crappy DAC then you really are not THAT serious about music.

    Just my 2c

    For the sake of balance, I was under the impression that the headphone DAC was considered to be high (or at least pretty high) quality by the hifi brigade.

    It used to be in the older iPods, it was very good indeed, but I believe the newer ones are of a much lesser quality.

    Those obsessional folk at Head-Fi seem to rate the iphone 6 DAC pretty highly (mostly)
    http://www.head-fi.org/t/733890/iphone-6-6-plus-audio-quality

    Great, another gear to lust after
    http://ifi-audio.com/portfolio-view/micro-idsd/

    This one http://ifi-audio.com/portfolio-view/nano-idsd/ suggests using this https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/onkyo-hf-player/id704139896 for playback

    Anyone used that for FLAC? Comparisons to other FLAC capable players?

  • @AndyPlankton said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    That's cos you've forgot to replace your earpiece batteries again ;)

    Can you speak up a bit please...I think the batteries in my earpiece might be going flat !

    Must be some Bluetooth device.

  • @lala said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    That's cos you've forgot to replace your earpiece batteries again ;)

    Can you speak up a bit please...I think the batteries in my earpiece might be going flat !

    Must be some Bluetooth device.

    That would sound like:

    ...............................................................................Must be some Bluetooth device.

  • edited September 2016

    serious about music, just not serious about it on ios.

  • Anyone actually gonna give it a try?
    And the airpods?. I get the felling that regular tech reviewers won't be covering latency.

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