So, all you ROTOR folks..................

Littlewoodg

@skiphunt said:

@Littlewoodg said:

@kobamoto said:
so it starts and stops recording in a way that creates a seamless loop?

My experiment recording a loop confirms what the manual suggests: recording starts at the beginning of the next bar after you hit record. And when you press the record button a second time,(a second tap is required to stop the recording) the app waits till the end of the bar you're in before actually stopping the recording.

So you can get "loop accurate" clips pretty easily via "bar accurate" recording, if you're starting and stopping your recording with roughly bar accurate timing:

Start with play button off (and intended objects all connected and ready to play),

then activate record

then hit play

then hit the record button again to stop the recording, sometime during the last bar of your loop. A procedure familiar from tape deck days, and much easier done than described...

I recorded a drum loop from one of sf2 kits driven by the poly sequencer. (Couple fx too)
I kept the sequencer panel open so I could watch when the bar was ending, no stress or seams. Pretty easy to sample whatever loop(s) you've got going in app, then resample, with whatever variations, ad infinitum. The new loop is useable as a Wave Adaptive loop but in the Free Duration wave player you can play the loop via the poly sequencer...nuts given that the Free Duration object can also be scratched and made to play backwards.

The obvious wish would be for an onboard clip editor, but the above covers a lot of ground

First off... seems like the AudioBus object that's playing your sample, plays even if you have the play button off. Yes?

Second, how do you "scratch" play free duration object backwards?!

The scratch and reverse (and all stop...) is done on the left edge of the Free Duration sample object,,,

The loop accurate thing I did was all in app, though maybe a Link expert can wiegh in here - Audiobus, Genome, Modstep, Rotor are all Link endowed, does that mean there's an all-start that Rotors play can trigger? If not, there may be a way to use the Audiobus control panel feature, placing Rotors play button on the same screen as the given sequencer driving that synth, to make a bar-accurate start of the outboard sequencer...hmm, back to the laboratory.

EDIT: Audiobus hosting Modstep (AUx synth in Modstep, the delicious Phasemaker) into Rotor, Link enabled in all three, stayed in Rotor (Audiobus transport strip in Rotors GUI) hit record in Rotor, pressed Modsteps play and Rotors play at the same time, let it play 8 bars then hit record again to end the clip, result was loop accurate...

Rotor does have a metronome, which I didn't use for any of this, (I'm playing it on the razors edge, man) but after the fact both the inapp loop and the AB/Modstep Phasemaker loop check out as bang on.

RUST( i )K

http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/iringfxipad

Are these essentially the same thing as the Reactable products for app control?

RUST( i )K

Does anyone have a source for Electro / House / Jazz type Soundfonts?

I never used SF for anything. Always avoided it.

Are they worth using? Do they sound better then other methods of sound?

RUST( i )K

Where is the best location or link for TUTORIAL on this app?

This app is not for making an actual song, right?

Is it fair to say that ROTOR is for highly controllable loops or a bar or two AND/OR live performances?

Trueyorky

@RustiK I think you should use this how it best fits your style. I have used ROTOR to create short loops and I have just used it to record a 3 minute performance into AudioShare. I think it is really cool.

Try going through the manual which I find to be a great resource... http://reactable.com/rotor/manual/

RUST( i )K

@Trueyorky said:
@RustiK I think you should use this how it best fits your style. I have used ROTOR to create short loops and I have just used it to record a 3 minute performance into AudioShare. I think it is really cool.

Try going through the manual which I find to be a great resource... http://reactable.com/rotor/manual/

Cool.

Yourself and G.Littlewood are the reason I decided to pull the trigger on this one.

Trueyorky

@RustiK oh no pressure enjoy

Littlewoodg

@RustiK
I think you'll get your $10 worth.
Re the soundfomts, there's resources on the web and a lengthy thread with links on this forum, but honestly for the genres you mention Rotor has the best collection of stuff already onboard. After I got Rotor, I actually got ahold of a file converter for PC, made a few sfs from other stuff I have, then shitcanned all of it and have stuck with what's onboard.

As for how to use it, @Trueyorky suggests using it the way it fits your style, I say the same: go through the demos, look at what's possible, and if nothing strikes you, forget all the demos and remember they're a drop in the bucket of what's possible: none use the other resources on your iPad, for one thing. Another thing - the poly sequencer object will sequence "any number" of bars. (That's from the manual) I started clicking the + bar icon on the sequencer before I read that, and got up to 367, still counting, until I felt stupid (that's why I then checked the manual. Manuals are cool). They really mean "any number". Which, among other very open-ended features tells me the application can be taken many different directions. Make loops, use live, and record long form compositions, all at once if need be.

That's probably why I'm having trouble leaving it alone, its a completely different way to make music than what Ive gotten used to. For inspiration, for a mental shake-up, that's a big deal. Its a very different way to put things together, it's nonlinear, but has linear powers (beat and harmony matching, sequencing, recording), its modular, configurable, open (yes could have even more doors open, ACP, AUx hosting among others. But midi in and Audiobus - input and output btw - is already a lot of "open"). So f#%k around and have fun, like always.

skiphunt

@Littlewoodg messed around with scratch, reverse, stop of the Free Duration Sample object with some of my own field recording samples. Nice! Might be even nicer with the control of one of those pucks I think, because you can dial the speed forward/reverse with a good deal of fine accuracy. Going to be fun playing with that one for longer samples.

Carnbot

Yes totally agree, it's an awesome little playground this. I wrote some feature requests to the developers which I hope they'll implement at some point but for now it's already loads of fun.

[Deleted User]

You guys that import via iTunes....what kind of samples CAN you import?
Loops, single shots, pads, synth sounds?

I haven't got this far, first will have to make a folder etc on PC....But I was wondering what is best or worth while to import?

I understand as I will use them they get analysed for pitch?

Can you make a folder with Kicks for example and it will appear as kicks in ROTOR?...loops as loops or is it ALL mixed up?...like in blocks wave?
TIA

Trueyorky

@soundklinik I dragged in various types of sample in folders such as kicks, loops etc., so nice and easy to navigate inside ROTOR. All are useful to either sequence, play using keyboard or play as wave so pretty flexible.

Trueyorky

Reactable posted my ROTOR track...

http://reactable.com/rotor-videos/

skiphunt

@Trueyorky said:
Reactable posted my ROTOR track...

http://reactable.com/rotor-videos/

Oh that was you?! Cool! I dug that.

[Deleted User]

@Trueyorky said:
@soundklinik I dragged in various types of sample in folders such as kicks, loops etc., so nice and easy to navigate inside ROTOR. All are useful to either sequence, play using keyboard or play as wave so pretty flexible.

Thanks
Appreciate your reply.

What a great app...for a while I was worried that it was just to make some small sequences, or play loops, but listening to the demos...like rot on Bach...and others, it is so deep and sophisticated...amazing

And the double tap and turn is pretty easy, I wonder if the puck will do a couple of tweaks at the same time...

Nice track

Trueyorky

Yes three at the same time apparently.

Littlewoodg

@soundklinik said:
You guys that import via iTunes....what kind of samples CAN you import?
Loops, single shots, pads, synth sounds?

I haven't got this far, first will have to make a folder etc on PC....But I was wondering what is best or worth while to import?

I understand as I will use them they get analysed for pitch?

Can you make a folder with Kicks for example and it will appear as kicks in ROTOR?...loops as loops or is it ALL mixed up?...like in blocks wave?
TIA

Once again, as @Trueyorky has shared the filing system is good-to-go, there's a line in the manual noting that they expected us to be setting up all kinds of files, and their system is set up for that...which actually got me over my initial objection to the iTombs only scheme for file management: building file folders and subfolders on desktop (where much of my .ogg sf2 and fancy .wav lives - or copies live) and dropping in as much as 1GB of a multitiered file structure is actually pretty sane.

Expect a big load to take a while to analyze... I got so into the idea of using the ogg and wav riches I have on desktop in Rotor that I imported 7,000+ files at one point, (every kind of thing, stuff in each of the 3 formats) took an hour to scan in once I opened the app.

After a bit I calmed down, deleted the app cleaned up the cache with a junk cleaner app, and put a lot fewer things on there...went through that cycle with fewer and fewer samples till I'm down to less than 500mb of stuff, some kits, some multi sampled instruments, lots of ogg. A lot of what I kept is stuff from kits that were from Reactable community projects, for reasons mentioned upthread...

[Deleted User]

@Littlewoodg said:

@soundklinik said:
You guys that import via iTunes....what kind of samples CAN you import?
Loops, single shots, pads, synth sounds?

I haven't got this far, first will have to make a folder etc on PC....But I was wondering what is best or worth while to import?

I understand as I will use them they get analysed for pitch?

Can you make a folder with Kicks for example and it will appear as kicks in ROTOR?...loops as loops or is it ALL mixed up?...like in blocks wave?
TIA

Once again, as @Trueyorky has shared the filing system is good-to-go, there's a line in the manual noting that they expected us to be setting up all kinds of files, and their system is set up for that...which actually got me over my initial objection to the iTombs only scheme for file management: building file folders and subfolders on desktop (where much of my .ogg sf2 and fancy .wav lives - or copies live) and dropping in as much as 1GB of a multitiered file structure is actually pretty sane.

Expect a big load to take a while to analyze... I got so into the idea of using the ogg and wav riches I have on desktop in Rotor that I imported 7,000+ files at one point, (every kind of thing, stuff in each of the 3 formats) took an hour to scan in once I opened the app.

After a bit I calmed down, deleted the app cleaned up the cache with a junk cleaner app, and put a lot fewer things on there...went through that cycle with fewer and fewer samples till I'm down to less than 500mb of stuff, some kits, some multi sampled instruments, lots of ogg. A lot of what I kept is stuff from kits that were from Reactable community projects, for reasons mentioned upthread...

Thank you both, that's what I wanted to hear...seems pretty well done, and I have a good amount of SF2 files as well...(.besides 30 GB of wav).

[Deleted User]

You guys with ROTOR, need your help desperately
I am not capable to put a FOLDER into ROTOR
I can put a individual FILES, but not a folder...
How is it done? I'm using iTunes...

Thanks

Carnbot

@soundklinik said:
You guys with ROTOR, need your help desperately
I am not capable to put a FOLDER into ROTOR
I can put a individual FILES, but not a folder...
How is it done? I'm using iTunes...

Thanks

Use ifunbox, not itunes.

[Deleted User]

@Carnbot said:

@soundklinik said:
You guys with ROTOR, need your help desperately
I am not capable to put a FOLDER into ROTOR
I can put a individual FILES, but not a folder...
How is it done? I'm using iTunes...

Thanks

Use ifunbox, not itunes.

THANKS, I figured it out meantime and (while at it), managed to upload Animoog files, (thanx @RustiK ) and filled Dhalang with folders with samples...

Bad news is, I put a folder with like 30 loops via ifunbox in and ROTOR is crashing...can't open it...I see a little message flash that it is analysing files???...for 3 hours now....
Is that normal?
ROTOR says in specs "over 100 loops" are included etc...where are they?
There is a handful of samples in the demo projects but factory folder is empty....
No problem with SF2s....
I thought that import of samples is simple and quick, considering there are 4 samplers...
What is the recommended size of files to send to ROTOR?

Trueyorky

@soundklinik that's bad luck, I think someone else loaded too many and deleted to a fresh start. I've seen the processing bar but no issues so far and I loaded about five different folders of samples. I guess it depends on the size of your samples and your iPad model. I'm using iPad Air 2 on iOS 9.3.3

[Deleted User]

@Trueyorky said:
@soundklinik that's bad luck, I think someone else loaded too many and deleted to a fresh start. I've seen the processing bar but no issues so far and I loaded about five different folders of samples. I guess it depends on the size of your samples and your iPad model. I'm using iPad Air 2 on iOS 9.3.3

Thanks, @Trueyorky, what a bummer, I will have to re-connect to iFunbox again and delete that folder, I got a lot of SF2s that I don't want to redo...by deleting the app...

BTW, how many samples do you put in your folder? Max? Do you use ifunbox too?...because mine went straight into ROTOR but can't open it since loading the loops...
Why doesn't it analyse when you use them??

Trueyorky

@soundklinik yes I used iFunbox. I will check my file sizes.

[Deleted User]

@Trueyorky said:
@soundklinik yes I used iFunbox. I will check my file sizes.

Thanks, don't want to bother you, I went back and uploaded small files and added files by 3-4, all went good...

And deleted the big folder that was crashing ROTOR, so all is fine...cheers

Trueyorky

Cool

[Deleted User]

I have a problem using external MIDI with ROTOR.

It works, but only on Network session, I want to use MIDI ...I have a ZOOM u-24 sound card that is made for iOS, it is recognised and listed in available sources, but it doesn't let pass MIDI or doesn't respond.

Did anyone try with your hardware? Like record into sequencer?
Is it a bug?

Trueyorky

@soundklinik yes I had similar with my Samson Graphite MIDI keyboard which was listed in ROTOR but I think it only worked when I selected Network session.

[Deleted User]

@Trueyorky said:
@soundklinik yes I had similar with my Samson Graphite MIDI keyboard which was listed in ROTOR but I think it only worked when I selected Network session.

So it is a bug..

RUST( i )K

@Littlewoodg said:
@RustiK
I think you'll get your $10 worth.
Re the soundfomts, there's resources on the web and a lengthy thread with links on this forum, but honestly for the genres you mention Rotor has the best collection of stuff already onboard. After I got Rotor, I actually got ahold of a file converter for PC, made a few sfs from other stuff I have, then shitcanned all of it and have stuck with what's onboard.

As for how to use it, @Trueyorky suggests using it the way it fits your style, I say the same: go through the demos, look at what's possible, and if nothing strikes you, forget all the demos and remember they're a drop in the bucket of what's possible: none use the other resources on your iPad, for one thing. Another thing - the poly sequencer object will sequence "any number" of bars. (That's from the manual) I started clicking the + bar icon on the sequencer before I read that, and got up to 367, still counting, until I felt stupid (that's why I then checked the manual. Manuals are cool). They really mean "any number". Which, among other very open-ended features tells me the application can be taken many different directions. Make loops, use live, and record long form compositions, all at once if need be.

That's probably why I'm having trouble leaving it alone, its a completely different way to make music than what Ive gotten used to. For inspiration, for a mental shake-up, that's a big deal. Its a very different way to put things together, it's nonlinear, but has linear powers (beat and harmony matching, sequencing, recording), its modular, configurable, open (yes could have even more doors open, ACP, AUx hosting among others. But midi in and Audiobus - input and output btw - is already a lot of "open"). So f#%k around and have fun, like always.

@Trueyorky said:
@soundklinik yes I had similar with my Samson Graphite MIDI keyboard which was listed in ROTOR but I think it only worked when I selected Network session.

@Carnbot said:

@soundklinik said:
You guys with ROTOR, need your help desperately
I am not capable to put a FOLDER into ROTOR
I can put a individual FILES, but not a folder...
How is it done? I'm using iTunes...

Thanks

Use ifunbox, not itunes.

@skiphunt said:

@Trueyorky said:
Reactable posted my ROTOR track...

http://reactable.com/rotor-videos/

Oh that was you?! Cool! I dug that.

I wish they had signatures on this forum.

Me think we be foundin' members of the

ROTARY CREW!