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Novation Circuit v1.4 firmware released

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  • kobamotokobamoto

    apparently there is an unused audio in on the circuit board, I wonder if that will be used for a sampling feature in the near future, maybe rudimentary sampling and slicing.... would be killer!

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    @kobamoto said:
    well panning made it into blocs, and launchpad app, hopefully the circuit is not far behind.
    all i want is

    panning

    Lots asking for this so it may become a reality

    quintuplets

    You could do quintuplets by usng the drum pattern and synth part length (set to 5,10 or 15 steps), but this would only work if working with quintuplets on all parts and not trying to sync with anything else.

    lock option for pattern switch mode

    You can do pattern switching without holding the shift, only need to hold shift for instant (i.e. not part quantised) switching, but yes it makes more sens to have instant switching not needing another button held.

    glitch, time shifting, frequency morphing, other fx to create movement

    Yes, some perfomance tweakability would be good, not sure if the internal audio engine and routing would allow for this, something else that would be good would be the ability to map the knobs on the patterns and sessions screens to macros on the synths or drums or FX amounts to allow easier control of more than one at a time, currently you have to switch to the relevent screen to tweak with more than 1 hand (you can momentarily switch by holding the button down but you lose a hand, or at least a finger doing it)

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton
    edited November 2016

    @kobamoto said:
    apparently there is an unused audio in on the circuit board, I wonder if that will be used for a sampling feature in the near future, maybe rudimentary sampling and slicing.... would be killer!

    :) :) :) :) That would be smart, I guess you would have to give up the right output channel in order to get the audio in ? Or audio in via USB would be really cool, instead of having to send audio out from Circuit into my USB interface to the iPad, mixing iPad sound sources with AUM and then back out to amplifier via the audio interface, you could just send audio out from iPad though CCK to Circuit and rec/mix on the circuit, no audio interface and USB hub required :)

  • kobamotokobamoto
    edited November 2016

    been trying to find videos of people using the circuit with the launchpad pro, with the sample flip feature it's even more imperative that panning is implemented, on a per sample basis as well as track because you'll certainly want the option to pan differing samples on the same track while flipping.

  • kobamotokobamoto

    my favorite circuit videos are by this guy.... I'm a big fan of the erebus as well

  • WillWill

    @kobamoto said:
    my favorite circuit videos are by this guy.... I'm a big fan of the erebus as well

    Same and same.

  • u0421793u0421793

    There's this guy on youtube called ratekith or something, don't know what kind of character he is, couldn't possibly vouch for him at a pinch, but he churns out an impressive quantity of Circuit videos that have influenced me significantly (mainly in discovering that it's not only frantic house and banging techno masturbation that the device can do).

  • kobamotokobamoto
    edited November 2016

    haha, you mean tarekith, he's on this forum as well, he's a quite shady, personally I would only trust him as far as I could throw a penny :)

  • kobamotokobamoto

    @syrupcore said:

    @kobamoto said:
    my favorite circuit videos are by this guy.... I'm a big fan of the erebus as well

    Same and same.

    these as well

  • TarekithTarekith

    Shady ass Circuit video from a creepy character:

  • TarekithTarekith

    @kobamoto said:
    been trying to find videos of people using the circuit with the launchpad pro, with the sample flip feature it's even more imperative that panning is implemented, on a per sample basis as well as track because you'll certainly want the option to pan differing samples on the same track while flipping.

    Given that the Isotonik Editor exposes ALL of the synth parameters and there's no panning knob there, I don't think the Circuit is even capable of it unfortunately.

  • JohnbaJohnba

    @kobamoto said:
    apparently there is an unused audio in on the circuit board

    Mmm... Where did you get that info ?

  • CrabmanCrabman
    edited November 2016

    @KlaatuNinja said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @u0421793 said:
    Can you use chrome ios to do the firmware update web midi thing?

    Nope, desktop only I think still, no web midi in chrome iOS still as far as I'm aware :(

    This is annoying, being iOS for these past few years means my laptop is still on XP and I can't update the circuit...
    So I have to buy a new laptop to update my standalone instrument.....grrrr....

    me too,i'm still on mountain lion on my macbook and it didn't work the last update.BUT it did work with the update(s) before.Have to wait until my girlfriend comes back next month.Nonetheless,thanks Novation!

  • CrabmanCrabman

    regarding panning:as far as i understand the curcuits audiopath is complete (and samples converted to)mono,only the fx add stereo at the end of that chain.Not enough power under the bonnet to change this now?

  • TarekithTarekith

    No idea, but I'd be surprised if it's something they can change. Who knows though :)

  • kobamotokobamoto

    @Tarekith said:

    @kobamoto said:
    been trying to find videos of people using the circuit with the launchpad pro, with the sample flip feature it's even more imperative that panning is implemented, on a per sample basis as well as track because you'll certainly want the option to pan differing samples on the same track while flipping.

    Given that the Isotonik Editor exposes ALL of the synth parameters and there's no panning knob there, I don't think the Circuit is even capable of it unfortunately.

    first time that I hope you're wrong Tarekith as the Novation guys told me at least 3 times that panning was a good idea on the circuit.... hopefully they'll make it happen. if I was going to use it strictly as a sample based instrument and only use already mixed samples from like records and such then panning would be still important but less crucial, but especially for users who need basic mixing capability on the circuit panning is simply a must have.

    btw thanks for your vids

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    @kobamoto said:

    @Tarekith said:

    @kobamoto said:
    been trying to find videos of people using the circuit with the launchpad pro, with the sample flip feature it's even more imperative that panning is implemented, on a per sample basis as well as track because you'll certainly want the option to pan differing samples on the same track while flipping.

    Given that the Isotonik Editor exposes ALL of the synth parameters and there's no panning knob there, I don't think the Circuit is even capable of it unfortunately.

    first time that I hope you're wrong Tarekith as the Novation guys told me at least 3 times that panning was a good idea on the circuit.... hopefully they'll make it happen. if I was going to use it strictly as a sample based instrument and only use already mixed samples from like records and such then panning would be still important but less crucial, but especially for users who need basic mixing capability on the circuit panning is simply a must have.

    btw thanks for your vids

    There is a left right ratio available in the delay effect, so there is definitely some capability for panning, Having pan available through the mixer would be enough if you could set pan for each step.

    Hmmm I wonder if you could set a delay effect, set it to zero delay, full wet and zero dry mix, then use the NRPN to control the pan

    time NRPN 1:6 range - 0–127, default 64
    time sync NRPN 1:7 range 0–35, default 20
    feedback NRPN 1:8 range 0–127, default 64
    width NRPN 1:9 range 0–127, default 127
    left-right ratio NRPN 1:10 Range 0-12, default 4
    0=1:1, 1=4:3, 2=3:4, 3=3:2, 4=2:3, 5=2:1, 6=1:2 7=3:1, 8=1:3, 9=4:1, 10=1:4, 11=1:OFF, 12=OFF:1

    You'd have to use something capable of sending the NRPN's, maybe I just found a reason to add these to my Circuit Lemur Template.
    You could only have one setting at a time but if you could sequence the NRPN you could do that to change pan position, and the Delay Send to control which sound is in that position.

    A lot of messing about for sure.

  • TarekithTarekith

    I never use panning on any of my synths/grooveboxes, so luckily not an issue. Hope I'm wrong too though for all the people that want this.

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    @Tarekith said:
    I never use panning on any of my synths/grooveboxes, so luckily not an issue. Hope I'm wrong too though for all the people that want this.

    If it's a single sound source panning isn't that important as you can pan with a mixer, but when something produces multiple sounds and doesn't have a multi out it becomes somewhat limiting without it, if you are producing for stereo, clubs are mono anyway so it doesn't matter in that context, but stages are stereo.

    I work around it by using the sounds I pretty much want central anyway on the circuit - Bass, Kick snare etc, and my panned sounds elsewhere :)

  • kobamotokobamoto

    @Johnba said:

    @kobamoto said:
    apparently there is an unused audio in on the circuit board

    Mmm... Where did you get that info ?

    here

    https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=146894&start=all&postdays=0&postorder=asc&sid=0373b60c837fc15f1d71f526a690c7ff

  • kobamotokobamoto

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @Tarekith said:
    I never use panning on any of my synths/grooveboxes, so luckily not an issue. Hope I'm wrong too though for all the people that want this.

    If it's a single sound source panning isn't that important as you can pan with a mixer, but when something produces multiple sounds and doesn't have a multi out it becomes somewhat limiting without it, if you are producing for stereo, clubs are mono anyway so it doesn't matter in that context, but stages are stereo.

    I work around it by using the sounds I pretty much want central anyway on the circuit - Bass, Kick snare etc, and my panned sounds elsewhere :)

    for audio collage work panning and filtering is essential

  • kobamotokobamoto

  • TarekithTarekith

    @AndyPlankton said:
    If it's a single sound source panning isn't that important as you can pan with a mixer, but when something produces multiple sounds and doesn't have a multi out it becomes somewhat limiting without it, if you are producing for stereo, clubs are mono anyway so it doesn't matter in that context, but stages are stereo.

    I work around it by using the sounds I pretty much want central anyway on the circuit - Bass, Kick snare etc, and my panned sounds elsewhere :)

    Horses for courses I guess. The delay and reverb are both so wide and I use so much of them that I'm happy with the way those fill up the stereo spectrum.

  • CrabmanCrabman

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @Tarekith said:

    @kobamoto said:
    been trying to find videos of people using the circuit with the launchpad pro, with the sample flip feature it's even more imperative that panning is implemented, on a per sample basis as well as track because you'll certainly want the option to pan differing samples on the same track while flipping.

    Given that the Isotonik Editor exposes ALL of the synth parameters and there's no panning knob there, I don't think the Circuit is even capable of it unfortunately.

    first time that I hope you're wrong Tarekith as the Novation guys told me at least 3 times that panning was a good idea on the circuit.... hopefully they'll make it happen. if I was going to use it strictly as a sample based instrument and only use already mixed samples from like records and such then panning would be still important but less crucial, but especially for users who need basic mixing capability on the circuit panning is simply a must have.

    btw thanks for your vids

    There is a left right ratio available in the delay effect, so there is definitely some capability for panning, Having pan available through the mixer would be enough if you could set pan for each step.

    Hmmm I wonder if you could set a delay effect, set it to zero delay, full wet and zero dry mix, then use the NRPN to control the pan

    time NRPN 1:6 range - 0–127, default 64
    time sync NRPN 1:7 range 0–35, default 20
    feedback NRPN 1:8 range 0–127, default 64
    width NRPN 1:9 range 0–127, default 127
    left-right ratio NRPN 1:10 Range 0-12, default 4
    0=1:1, 1=4:3, 2=3:4, 3=3:2, 4=2:3, 5=2:1, 6=1:2 7=3:1, 8=1:3, 9=4:1, 10=1:4, 11=1:OFF, 12=OFF:1

    You'd have to use something capable of sending the NRPN's, maybe I just found a reason to add these to my Circuit Lemur Template.
    You could only have one setting at a time but if you could sequence the NRPN you could do that to change pan position, and the Delay Send to control which sound is in that position.

    A lot of messing about for sure.

    As i said before,the audiopath is complete mono but the fx at the end of the chain add some stereo to it.Therefore you could only pan all 6 tracks at once to left/right but not the individual tracks.

  • TarekithTarekith

    Yeah, but how trippy would that be! You coud really mess with people in a club :)

  • CrabmanCrabman

    @Tarekith said:
    Yeah, but how trippy would that be! You coud really mess with people in a club :)

    haha...i think most of the time they find enough other opportunities to mess with themselves :)

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @Crabman said:

    @Tarekith said:
    Yeah, but how trippy would that be! You coud really mess with people in a club :)

    haha...i think most of the time they find enough other opportunities to mess with themselves :)

    Have you tried Yager? That shits FAWKED! ;)

  • kobamotokobamoto

    can the circuit be run off the usb port of a laptop?

  • TarekithTarekith

    No, batteries or PSU only.

  • kobamotokobamoto

    okay, hey Tarekith I know you can sequence external synths with the circuit but can you record knob tweaks from external synths into the circuit?

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