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Personally I have not managed to make Old Timer do much for me (and I love Microwarmer). Have heard others mention how much they appreciate it though. Perhaps someone else might add some sort of testimonial as to its efficacy etc.
What about the FXpansion plug-ins? I already have all FabFilters, and have the PSP plug-in that appeals to me (Microwarmer).
Yeah, the only reason I'm not comfortable in it is because I don't "know" it. That being said, I was playing in Logic Prox X today and found that the few things I have picked up on in Auria Pro seem to dove-tail nicely with the same general mixing logic/syntax as LPX. I don't know anything about Cubasis at all. But I would imagine if you're used to the desktop version of Cubasis, that could certainly be a deciding factor.
Having already invested in LPX, and that it appears that the tools look generally similar, I'm guessing that the time I spend learning to become more comfortable in Auria Pro... that the knowledge will transfer nicely to the LPX platform. At least, that's what I'm hoping.
Honestly, it's just so much nicer to be doing most of this stuff on a desktop with a much bigger display I've found. Not to say I don't love the touch surface interface of the iOS apps... but moving forward, I'm seeing a day that I might gravitate back more towards a desktop environment.
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A biggie for me is being able to open a proyect and everythings is as i left it. I used filtatron and crystalline on my last track on one imstrument and after hearing it a few times in different places i want to tweak a few things. And those plugins are reset. So i have to recreate them as best as possible and then tweak. And if you have a lot of stuff going on you will need to be over 512 and au won't work. So anything other than the auria plugins would have to be "printed" in. Sometimes that's fine but i would rather not.
Having said that saturn (as evident in that video i posted) is not your standard tape warmth plugin. Hugely versatile. Next up is the delay. The free delay sounds really good and i use it a lot but the fab delay is total sound design. These two can completely transform a sound, give it crazy rhythm and modulation etc.
Agree with a lot of what been said. All the plug ins in Auria are amazing. They are type of Audio magic you don't realize you need until you get them. Saturn and proQ I end up using a lot. I have a lot of good delay apps but Timeless is just lush.
Real plus for all of these is the ease of use. Automation is as simple as hitting w button on Auria track and tweak away at effect parameters in mix.
Auria definitely the most fully featured Daw right now by a long way.
@vpich, in Auria, no plug-in is reset after closing the project: it's a naming bug, meaning it will be writen "default patch" but what will be actually there is the last used settings. Of course, if you want to recall the name of the preset you used (to use somewhere else, for example) this can be a little annoying (but there's a workaround: save the preset in Auria!), but other than that, you lose no settings or information whatsoever.
I meant filtatron and crystalline. They reset
I believe I've said just what you were asking quite a number of times in this board.
If you (anyone) does not know why you need a plugin then you don't need it. When you encounter a problem that your current tools cannot solve, then you need the right tool.
I love auria and fabfilter, but I highly highly highly recommend some money on mike senior's book "mixing for the small studio" (or something like that, it's close to the title!). It really does a great job explaining.
Good endorsement. Thanks. Looking more closely at Timeless. How do you feel about Volcano in your work vs Saturn?
What's worth what? Depends if you use a lot of sauce I guess....
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Too much sauce spoils the taste of anything.
But seriously, ISTM that the Fab Filter pricing is similar to what Apple does; they have great products, which they can sell in sufficient quantities at their desired price. A price which they have every right to decide upon.
But, in both cases, they'd shift a LOT more product if those prices were a little close to the average in the market they inhabit. I can only assume, therefore, that like Apple, Fab Filters likes their niche.
That is a very honest appraisal. Better than average is what my ears tell me. Better, but not so much better than what I already have that I must buy them at any price. We all have our ideas as to what represents good value, and if the average IOS FX app was around £5.00 I'd be willing to consider FF products at double, even triple the standard cost. Some do fit that price point in the sale, but others are still very much more, and for the outlay I can get much better value from several developers, such as the excellent Brambos. IMHO, of course, which is merely one man's view.
@skiphunt: this is just my opinion, and I am more into expressive experimental sounds (but subtle): what makes the FF (I have Timeless, Saturn, proQ2, proMB2 and Vulcano) really special, is the amount of Modulation you can instantiate, nearly for every possible parameter, and all that with verrry nice sounding algorhythms... . Watch the videos by FF to find their depths. Cheers, t
I'm intrigued and your description of your taste tells me I might too get something from at least one of these. I don't subscribe to the idea that "if you don't know why you need a plugin, then you don't need it". There have been many apps and effects that I didn't know that I needed or wanted, until I used them and learned how valuable they were. For example, I had no idea that I even needed any kind of midi control design app, until I tried one and learned how to use it. Now, I use them all the time.
Which is your favorite and most used between Timeless, Saturn, and Volcano?
Favourite, hmmm. Hard to say. Mostly use them together, with Volcano creating a self-oscillating filtersweep, running through Saturn for massive saturation of varying frequencies, feeding finally into Timeless for wild stereophonic on-off, left-right, subtle-crazy delaylines... . Must say, though, that I haven't grasped half of those beauties (and what they can do) yet. So much to find out, and then there's all those other lovely instruments, I'll just say: Turnado! Sunvox! (but don't get me started...)
Cheers, t
That description sounds awesome... I'm just trying to limit my purchases for awhile. Spent too much during recent sales. Might get one Fab filter, might get iWavestation... thinking of Takete for video, but not sure due to output isn't HD.
Do you have a sample of this Volcano/Saturn/Timeless effects on soundcloud somewhere for me to listen to? Sounds like my kind of thing.
And yeah about SunVox. Need to tinker back into that since the recent massive update.
Don't know anything about Turnado, other that I've heard @MonzoPro use it recently to great effect. I saw it could also be had as an IAP within the Auria Pro store, but what would be the advantage of getting it there as opposed to the stand-alone version I could use in AUM, etc. too?
You get Turnado inside Auria automatically, when purchasing the standalone version. (Which you MUST absolutely do!!). I can't imagine a life without the great Turnado anymore. Well, if you must decide for just one FFplug, it depends. There is similar things in all of them, but I guess the most obvious effectuation (which, of course, can be handled very subtle, too), I think, would be Timeless. No examples online just now, which reminds me to to do that soon.
I didn't know that about Turnado. Dang. I wish I'd picked it up when it was on sale recently. Will put it on my watch list. thanks for the info.
@skiphunt You can demo Fabfilter on your desktop in LPX, and make your choice that way. If not, there are tons of demos and reviews with soundclips that can be found with a quick search. You could also compare to Delay Designer, which is in LPX, which should give some perspective on what Timeless has to offer for you.
Oh, and @skiphunt : since we're talking about it: the same goes for sugarbytes' WowFilter (avialable inside Auria after purchase of full version). Cheers, t
Turnado is massive - especially when you dive into the editing section - one of my favourite apps of all time. Timeless 2 is a huge thing too, the Rolls Royce of delays, and though it's not the main feature, it can do a bit of flanging/phasing/modulation and overdrive too.
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It's like filter porn.
But seriously, the views and info I'm picking up here is inspiring me to spend time listening to and watching some of the many YouTube examples. Always learning, and that is never a bad thing....except for my bank account.
Oh cool. Thanks! Dayum! These Fab filters are pricey for LPX. Makes these $15 sale prices seem like a steal by comparison. Might have to spring for two of them while the sale is going on.
If I buy something like Turnado via the Auria Pro store, does that ALSO include the stand alone? Or, do you have to buy the stand alone separate, and then the one within Auria Pro is unlocked?
Didn't know I could demo them all for 30 days for free in LPX. Will check them out and decide that way.
Looks like they were ALL updated a couple days ago for the desktop.
Turnado is the plug-in I still cannot convince myself to buy. Everyone seems to find it amazing, but there is a kind of random character that doesn't appeal that much to the control freak in me.
I think the best thing any novice can do for themselves is less spending and more learning. The suggestion that, if you don't know why something is needed, you don't need it, is true in a sense. Of course, you can take people's word that it's great, buy it and try to learn what it actually does. Then you find maybe you "need" it, maybe you don't. Maybe it turns out not to be worth the money for what you get out of it, but then who knew what you'd be capable of, or what you'd value?
Some people just enjoy playing with music apps like games, and that's a perfectly good thing to do. Buy whatever looks like fun. But for the more ambitious, starting simple, putting in the time and learning the basics with basic tools, then along the way discovering where you want to go next based on your own music is more efficient than messing around blindly with every cool thing on the App Store. Buy something because you know what it does and what it's going to do for your music. Information has been made so accessible and streamlined, it should be a lot cheaper and easier to be educated these days. The time and work put in is what gets you to a place where more costly apps or gear earn their keep.
There are loads of great and reasonably short tutorials on the Fab Filter site. I've already watched a couple and now have a much better idea what they do and why many here dig them. I'm assuming the function and control of the desktop versions are essentially identical to the iOS versions you can purchase within Auria?
I think Fab Filter's demo and tutorial video page is all I really needed. And the fact I can even test drive their library for free for 30 days within LPX. Thanks @Osidenick for steering me to their site and the tip about demo'ing them in LPX. Thanks to everyone else who've offered opinions based on your own experience too. Much appreciated. I've got all need to go on now. Just downloaded the whole Fab Filter bundle to test drive for 30 days in LPX.
Sage words!
Easy to get caught up in the frenzy. I'll remind myself to play with the apps I have — and revisit those that I have assumed weren't worth my time the first go-round.
I somewhat agree, but on some points I don't agree. These suggestions are good if the user already has a good idea what they want to do and where they want to go. For those who fit into that category, I'd say I agree 100%.
However, where I have to respectfully disagree with this is for folks like myself, who less than a year ago had no idea where they really wanted to go with this stuff. I had to try everything out and see what I took to and what I didn't. Some areas of "sound design" I thought were interesting, until I dug a bit deeper and realized I wasn't as interested as I thought I might be.
Let me use this as an example. I'm a photographer. I have a fairly wide range of styles and types of photography I do. Some I really dig, other's I can wing it, but it's more like work.
When I first started out several decades ago, I had no clue what I wanted to do. I just knew I was obsessed with image making and wanted to learn everything I could. I dove into black and white, street, commercial, product, large and small format, abstract, portraiture, etc. I've tried out every kind of image making process style and process there is (except for porn, but who knows?) lol
The point is, now I know what I'm good at and what I where I tend to excel. I know what my core competencies are and what gets me excited and/or fulfilled. I didn't know that when I first started out. I had to get out there and try everything before I knew what I wanted and what direction to head.
That's pretty much why I seem to be all over the map with regard to audio design. I'm mostly in the iOS world because I can try lots of different things out fairly quickly and it's not prohibitively as expensive as it can be on the desktop. iOS apps also tend to be fairly intuitive, or easy to learn once you figure out some of the basic logic, language, and syntax. And, with less than a year under my belt... although I'm still trying to find my way, I'm getting more and more focussed with each evolution of trying something new out.
I use Saturn more as it does evrything from subtle saturation to big distrotion. Use it on most tracks in a song in some form. Volcano is good but more filtery effects, again can be subtle modulating filters to mad rhytmic filter sweeps and jumps
I've owned Turnado and Wow for the least 3 years or so, and I occasionally go back to them, but every time walk away shaking my head as I find them impossible to control with any degree of subtlety. They are great for sound mangling, but not for much else.
Turnado has some potentially great effects not found anywhere else, like Freezeverb, but taken on their own I don't tend to like their sound that much. So to get the best out of it you need to combine the effects and at that point they're just too crazy for my tastes.
It's a matter of taste though, I own most of the Sugar Bytes apps and don't really love any of them, could happily delete them all. But some people absolutely love them, because they work well for the kind of music they make. Horses for courses.