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I think i finally figured out what Gadget is supposed to be...

It´s a classic KORG workstation with a pretty and modern UI. It´s not a DAW, and i don´t believe it´s ever going to be a DAW. I was excited initially, and then disappointed, due to the lack of sonic capabilities, mediocre (at best) master effects. The feeling to have a great all in one app vanished quickly. I wrote off the 20 bucks + Bilbao that i´ve payed for it, and moved on to Cubasis, which has everything i want/need.

It´s only good if you have a dedicated iPad for it, a dedicated Hardware controller, and use it to record/bounce into a full featured DAW. Only then the app makes sense, and is actually great. Without Hardware controls, you have an extremely shitty onscreen Keyboard which is too small, and has zero expressive features.

Korg has some legendary, great and some weird products, that maybe the western hemisphere customers like me will never fully understand.

I think the people who are torturing themselves trying to desperately sample some audio into Bilbao should just realize it, and move on to a real DAW, and use Gadget where it´s great at, as a Synth/Drums workstation, inside that DAW.

What is KORG Gadget?
  1. What is KORG Gadget?81 votes
    1. A limited toy that lacks features that i need.
      13.58%
    2. A pretty collection of great sounding synths with a good sequencer.
      67.90%
    3. A great production environment that has everything i need.
      18.52%
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Comments

  • Is your poll supposed to have three options? Only two radio buttons show.

  • edited December 2016

    Fixed, ty

  • I've got both: Gadget and Cubasis and respect your point view here but Korg promised audio tracks since day 1 and it didn't happen. There's nothing to loose requesting audio tracks, updates for Bilbao or whatever people want to request.If Korg bring any of these features: good. If not: I'm happy with Gadget and I think I'm not the only one. ;)

  • Depends on the type of music you make - for some, the lack of audio tracks isn't an issue.

  • It's a groovebox with a big screen.

  • I like Gadget.

    My issue is feeling taken advantage of by Korg lately. Bad enough with the $20 per pop upgrades, but then I feel insulted with an additional IAP for sound presets.

    Cmon, I just paid $20 for a less than spectacular vintage emulation, throw in the damn presets.

  • @RustiK said:
    I like Gadget.

    My issue is feeling taken advantage of by Korg lately. Bad enough with the $20 per pop upgrades, but then I feel insulted with an additional IAP for sound presets.

    Cmon, I just paid $20 for a less than spectacular vintage emulation, throw in the damn presets.

    You could get an Electribe 2 for considerably more than the entire Gadget ecosystem and never get any (meaningful) upgrades.

  • @Ivan_Dj said:
    I've got both: Gadget and Cubasis and respect your point view here but Korg promised audio tracks since day 1 and it didn't happen. There's nothing to loose requesting audio tracks, updates for Bilbao or whatever people want to request.If Korg bring any of these features: good. If not: I'm happy with Gadget and I think I'm not the only one. ;)

    I got ya, wasn´t my intention to make any excuses for KORG. I just think that Gadget is so far behind Cubasis that a simple implementation of Audio Tracks wouldn´t solve much, for me it isn´t even about that. The whole ecosystem doesn´t match up, now with Audio Units in Cubasis this gap will increase exponentially.

  • edited December 2016

    @RustiK said:
    I like Gadget.

    My issue is feeling taken advantage of by Korg lately. Bad enough with the $20 per pop upgrades, but then I feel insulted with an additional IAP for sound presets.

    Cmon, I just paid $20 for a less than spectacular vintage emulation, throw in the damn presets.

    Well i think the vintage emulations of the latest synths (ODYSSEi, iWaveStation) are absolutely spectacular, they´re at the top of what iOS has to offer. The cards in the ROMplers have actually additional sampled material. In ODYSSEi if you can live without the Skins you don´t really need the IAP, since it´s a great synth to design your own sounds on...and Sound Designers need to eat too..

  • I've got too many apps to play with but lately it's Cubasis with selected AUv3's and Gadget + IAPs with accompanying 'Gadget Enabled' apps (Module, iM1, ODYSSEI and iWavestation) that get used the most.

    Exporting stems to Cubasis via DropBox works pretty smoothly even though I wish Gadget would get iCloudDrive/DocumentPicker support for all things related to import & export or at least accept sounds sent to it using 'Open In...' from other apps.

    The synths in Gadget are quite cleverly designed and even though they are a bit limited. It's more a matter of selecting the right Gadget for the sound one is after.

    Gadget too as come a long way and I don't see Korg slowing down It's development...

    So yeah, Gadget can be seen as a 'classic workstation' and even though it's not a fair comparison I see Gadget as 'iOS Koronos' with a few limitations :)

  • @Patric_Bateman said:

    @Ivan_Dj said:
    I've got both: Gadget and Cubasis and respect your point view here but Korg promised audio tracks since day 1 and it didn't happen. There's nothing to loose requesting audio tracks, updates for Bilbao or whatever people want to request.If Korg bring any of these features: good. If not: I'm happy with Gadget and I think I'm not the only one. ;)

    I got ya, wasn´t my intention to make any excuses for KORG. I just think that Gadget is so far behind Cubasis that a simple implementation of Audio Tracks wouldn´t solve much, for me it isn´t even about that. The whole ecosystem doesn´t match up, now with Audio Units in Cubasis this gap will increase exponentially.

    They're really really different animals. You get that, right? It's like comparing a drum machine and 4-track.

  • The lack of an expressive keyboard or in app playing surface is the big thing that drags it down for me. Makes no sense when there's copious examples in iOS apps to draw inspiration from. especially when they have all these great Kaoss pads in other apps. I feel like Korg is sitting on the technology to make the greatest software music sequencer ever conceived but rather than put it together they just spread all the pieces across different apps.
    Then you have Madrid, with its expandable, velocity sensitive keyboard. Why is this not on all of them? Dumb reasons. The lack of legato on many gadgets is also annoying. No "new notes replace old" recording mode, which again they've successfully implemented elsewhere. That being said it's great to have all those sounds in one place and the fact you can automate everything very simply is incredibly fun. Definitely possible to get professional results in the right hands.

  • @syrupcore said:

    @Patric_Bateman said:

    @Ivan_Dj said:
    I've got both: Gadget and Cubasis and respect your point view here but Korg promised audio tracks since day 1 and it didn't happen. There's nothing to loose requesting audio tracks, updates for Bilbao or whatever people want to request.If Korg bring any of these features: good. If not: I'm happy with Gadget and I think I'm not the only one. ;)

    I got ya, wasn´t my intention to make any excuses for KORG. I just think that Gadget is so far behind Cubasis that a simple implementation of Audio Tracks wouldn´t solve much, for me it isn´t even about that. The whole ecosystem doesn´t match up, now with Audio Units in Cubasis this gap will increase exponentially.

    They're really really different animals. You get that, right? It's like comparing a drum machine and 4-track.

    Don´t think that´s a fair comparison, especially with the ambition and marketing from KORG.

  • I've gotten the 'standard' automated reply (Forwarded to developers etc.) reply for all my ideas I've sent to the Korg support e-mail. Those same ideas have also been ventilated over at the Korg Forums so I suppose the developers should be well aware of them by now :)

    Compared to the initial release of Gadget it has come a long way and updates keep popping up on a semi-regular schedule with new 'toys' to play with.

    So my vote was #2. But as usual things can and will get better with time...

  • Yeah, I see no point in comparing Gadget and Cubasis. Gadget is an instrument. I guess because I never bought it with the expectation that it would be anything more than it is (was), I don't waste energy thinking about what it can't do. For electronic music tracks, I usually start with Gadget. I just like how it works and sounds. Expressiveness is mostly in programming. I use other apps---like GeoShred---for playing.

    Cubasis is a nice DAW. So is Auria Pro. Logic Pro on a Mac is way beyond either. Whatever serves you best for what you're doing...

  • I would say 'A collection of OK, pretty average, thin sounding synths with a good sequencer that could be an awesome tool if it had a midi out Gadget but is limited by it's own marketing constraints.'

  • @Patric_Bateman
    I agree with your view about Gadget as workstation, without the IAPs added in its very much a pcm based "synth" with different groups of presets fronted with different flavored gui. The 2 osc synths included (and the drum synth, can't remember if Tokyo was a IAP) round it out, but modestly. There was some special stuff (my taste like Chiangmai and Kiev, and Berlin...again I can't remember what was extra and what wasn't initially) and tons of pricey add-ons. Cool workstation, brilliant business plan at least for this addict

  • Aside from audio tracks, being able to loop a selected region, a proper sized keyboard, and kaos pad for each Gadget would make it an essential thing for me. As it is it takes second place to my AUM sessions. Saying that though, I finally managed to download it this afternoon onto my iPhone and the self-containedness turns it into a really good mobile workstation. The dentist waiting room has never been so much fun.

  • @MonzoPro said:
    Aside from audio tracks, being able to loop a selected region, a proper sized keyboard, and kaos pad for each Gadget would make it an essential thing for me. As it is it takes second place to my AUM sessions. Saying that though, I finally managed to download it this afternoon onto my iPhone and the self-containedness turns it into a really good mobile workstation. The dentist waiting room has never been so much fun.

    That is the thing: on the phone it's a monster (albeit a nearly $400 monster, if my maths correct)

  • I look at it lyk virtual volcas with a sequencer. fun to play around with

  • I'd love it on my phone but the price is too damn high.

  • @Samu said:
    I've gotten the 'standard' automated reply (Forwarded to developers etc.) reply for all my ideas I've sent to the Korg support e-mail. Those same ideas have also been ventilated over at the Korg Forums so I suppose the developers should be well aware of them by now :)

    Compared to the initial release of Gadget it has come a long way and updates keep popping up on a semi-regular schedule with new 'toys' to play with.

    So my vote was #2. But as usual things can and will get better with time...

    Thx for trying and participating! I´m also a little annoyed with KORG but because of the ODYSSEi IAA integration, without feedback, especially in the App Store Rating, they wouldn´t have any incentive to do something.

    I was off iOS when Gadget launched, so i haven´t witnessed the evolution. Still, Cubasis feels so much more polished in essential workflow things, like arming individual tracks for recording...

  • I get wicked results from Gadget anytime I put my hands on it. Is it a 'serious' mobile production system? God knows. I personally don't care. Firstly because it is incredibly quick to work with. Secondly because it sounds very decent. Third, because it suits my needs.

    I think the lack of audio tracks is a limitation only if you're not bothered to export the project for further processing. With Ableton export that's pretty straight forward.

    If you want to capture the audio on your mobile device there's solution out there. Long gone are the days of wonky sync. Now you can link to loopy and record to your hearts content.

    I know I'm making it sound simple but I've been through times where we only had one route in Audiobus. Now we're absolutely flying.

    Also, gadget may not be perfect but there's absolutely no stable and so greatl sounding alternative on IOS at present.

  • @Patric_Bateman said:

    I was off iOS when Gadget launched, so i haven´t witnessed the evolution. Still, Cubasis feels so much more polished in essential workflow things, like arming individual tracks for recording...

    With advanced midi turned on in Gadget you can record multiple Gadgets at once if you drive them from external source such as ModStep. Both are link-enable so sync is usually not a issue.

    Cubasis too has come a long way from initial release and is also improving over time.

    For me Gadget & Cubasis is a good combination, sketch the loops/sounds in Gadget and dump them to Cubasis for further messing.

  • I love Gadget. None of the DAWs do it all on their own, and none of them will be everything to all. My standard workflow involves Auria, but whenever I work in Gadget, something different comes out, and I sometimes like different.

    I just appreciate that I have a single portable device that I can do so many unique things on quickly. There are limitations to each DAW or sequencer, but there's nothing wrong with limitations. Sometimes I use the limitations to force myself to complete compositions inside of them. And if I have to do some wonky method of moving tracks around to do exactly what I want, so be it. That's been a thing with every recording or sequencing platform I've ever worked on.

    @Patric_Bateman, I think you're missing one more option for your poll:

    • A great production environment that is an essential part of many of my iOS compositions.
  • @Littlewoodg said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    Aside from audio tracks, being able to loop a selected region, a proper sized keyboard, and kaos pad for each Gadget would make it an essential thing for me. As it is it takes second place to my AUM sessions. Saying that though, I finally managed to download it this afternoon onto my iPhone and the self-containedness turns it into a really good mobile workstation. The dentist waiting room has never been so much fun.

    That is the thing: on the phone it's a monster (albeit a nearly $400 monster, if my maths correct)

    It hasn't cost me that much I don't think. I haven't got all the Gadgets, don't have Module for example, and cool I can have it in the phone without paying again. Plus it's nice to have the iM1 and Oddessei or whatever it's called, as standalone synths.

    Would still bring a tear to my eye if I had to buy it all in one go though, rather than bit by bit over the last few years..

  • @AudioGus said:
    I would say 'A collection of OK, pretty average, thin sounding synths with a good sequencer that could be an awesome tool if it had a midi out Gadget but is limited by it's own marketing constraints.'

    Well we must have different ears, the synths aren´t average at all and sound pretty fat, especially Lexington, but also the other mono VAs like Dublin and Berlin. Nothing thin there.

    I think most of us in this thread have a soft spot for the awesome sounding, beautiful to use synths in Gadget. If we didn´t, we wouldn´t give a damn about it, and i surely wouldn´t have started the thread :smile:

  • @Samu said:

    @Patric_Bateman said:

    I was off iOS when Gadget launched, so i haven´t witnessed the evolution. Still, Cubasis feels so much more polished in essential workflow things, like arming individual tracks for recording...

    With advanced midi turned on in Gadget you can record multiple Gadgets at once if you drive them from external source such as ModStep. Both are link-enable so sync is usually not a issue.

    Cubasis too has come a long way from initial release and is also improving over time.

    For me Gadget & Cubasis is a good combination, sketch the loops/sounds in Gadget and dump them to Cubasis for further messing.

    Yea what drives me nuts is that with "advanced" midi you can record several tracks simultaneously, but you aren´t able to arm them individually. To unarm a track, you have to deactivate the whole midi input. Doesn´t fit my workflow, i use a Arturia Beatstep Pro that operates on 3 separate MIDI Channels

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @Littlewoodg said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    Aside from audio tracks, being able to loop a selected region, a proper sized keyboard, and kaos pad for each Gadget would make it an essential thing for me. As it is it takes second place to my AUM sessions. Saying that though, I finally managed to download it this afternoon onto my iPhone and the self-containedness turns it into a really good mobile workstation. The dentist waiting room has never been so much fun.

    That is the thing: on the phone it's a monster (albeit a nearly $400 monster, if my maths correct)

    It hasn't cost me that much I don't think. I haven't got all the Gadgets, don't have Module for example, and cool I can have it in the phone without paying again. Plus it's nice to have the iM1 and Oddessei or whatever it's called, as standalone synths.

    Would still bring a tear to my eye if I had to buy it all in one go though, rather than bit by bit over the last few years..

    I'm loathe to actually add it up, but I've bought every fkn thing...it helps that it's universal, and it sounds great...but of all the "ecosystems" and other apps with IAP it's the one that most directly reveals/exploits my addict self.

  • wimwim
    edited December 2016

    I think people would be fairer to themselves, and maybe feel better, if they only considered "Gadget Only" IAP's in the total cost. iM1, Module, ODYSSEi, and iWavestation are standalone and IAA enabled, so can be used anywhere. Using them in Gadget doesn't cost any extra.

    No one considers the price of IAA and AU synths they use in Cubasis, Auria, Audiobus, Yum, etc... as part of the cost of those apps. Gadget is no different in that respect.

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