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Fun factor! Exactly. This is where BM2 on the iPhone and Cubasis on iPad come in for me. Now with Session Drummer i feel the most fun can be had with using the individual monster synths. At least for me since I'm not EDM guy but mostly regular timeline type of recorder, BM2 and Cubasis are fitting the bill perfectly and are fun too.
Gadget is fun for the ease of making loops and that is awesome to have as a tool especially on the iPhone.
So I can insert AU FX and use AUMs filters/eq etc.. for example...
Also, sometimes I record in AUM if the Blocs CPU use is too high. AUM also has a file player that lets me double and halve playback speed. Tons of uses.
Also Audiobus does not seem to trigger playback of effectrix and egoist in sync with Link apps.
Yes it does wait for the start of a phase. I love piping in Elastic Drums too.
Wow. Long thread.
Gadget in my opinion is an incredible music making app.
It has its limitations, it has things that could be improved. But if you really get to know it, it is very, very deep indeed.
The two new synths add a huge amount of power. You have to work around the limitations of their implementation though. But it's worth it.
Design your your incredible iWavestation patches in iWavestation then use them and tweak them in Milpitas. That workflow is do-able as far as I'm concerned. And well worth it. There is nothing else in Gadget that comes close to the sound design it brings.
Having to design your patches in Lexington is ok as far as I'm concerned. It just makes it like every other Gadget. (But then I'm pretty much 100% inside Gadget most of the time these days).
Korg is great company, and I think it's very good for iOS music if they are making iOS app development make them good profits (I hope they are).
It´s a great thread, thanks to everyone for discussing techniques, sharing tricks etc.
I also hope, like with any company, iOS development is lucrative for Korg, and i have a strong feeling it is. That being said, they should focus on the future of iOS, and that is AUv3. We have seen such incredible development over the last years, AUv3 is another big step.
Cubasis is just so much better than Gadget in every area. It starts with the software Keyboard and Pads, the much easier arrangement of scenes/tracks etc. and of course the far superior sound due to actual good reverbs, dynamicsprocessors etc that are available as either AUv3 or IAA.
Except the fact that Cubasis doesn't run on my iPhone.
(Don't get me wrong, I use Cubase on my PC and would have bought it day 1 for iOS if I had a device that it would run on...)
If it were that good a thread, I would have thought you'd soaked in a bit more of the subtleties here. Cubasis is not better than Gadget in every way— it's different in about every way. As in, different strokes... AUv3 may be the future of iOS, but not necessarily of Gadget (though I do think it will become part of the standalones at some point). Tabletop gained no traction because they had no name, the devices had no history, and the fact that many people don't like being put in a box. Korg is so set on the first two points that their target demo is willing, if not embracing, of the last point. Not everybody wants to be spoiled for choice. They just want to make music. Like, now.
This is coming from a Cubasis fan, btw. I was tearing my hair out last night trying to overdub takes of Fingerfiddle into said Cubasis only last night.
It has been a good thread, though. Troll free, too. Thanks for starting it.
Now you really went off the deep end. If you can't make gadget sound good don't blame gadget. Nothing i have tried on ios is as easy to sequence.
Agree with all of this.
Korg Gadget=Reason (before audio tracks) for your phone/iPad, made by Korg
@Matt_Fletcher_2000 Sorry to ask this, but it's your own fault. I have always avoided, pretty much, playing on the phone; size of fingers, poverty of eyesight etc., however your enthusiasm for it led me to giving it a go and it's true that the nature of the layout works very well (at least on this 6S). My quick n00b question is, OK, I've exported a little project to Dropbox, can I now open the noodle I did in the parking lot downtown directly onto my iPad now I'm slumped back on the couch? Or is that only the rendered noise and if I want the project I have to go via iTunes etc?
I use gadget for live keyboard playing. You can layer lots of synths together and mix them on the fly.
You are best off using the icloud sync on your project, go to open your track and select the cloud icon and voila! It will show in your ipad to open.
The only caveat is you have to load any personal samples used manually into both devices.
This is ofcourse if you want to open in gadget on ipad.
And that´s what i think is the perfect use of Gadget, a classic workstation with a sweet UI that you can layer, mix, sequence some great sounding and so easy to manipulate synths on. The UI on the original Gadgets, especially when double tapped to zoom the screen, is just so inviting to manipulate even on a live playing basis.
Yep. What Dave said.
You need to have iCloud enabled on both devices. After that it's dead easy. I do it all the time. (It doesn't move any custom Bilbao/Abu samples though).
What you have saved out to Dropbox is just the noise (audio).
If you can´t sequence on Cubasis, don´t blame Cubasis. See what i did there? The sound comparison is a no contest, of course Cubasis will sound "better" because you can shape the sound to your taste with plugins or IAA apps.
And to counter the "easier" workflow argument, that´s just not true for some Gadgets like the iM1 and the iWavestation. Especially with the iM1 you HAVE to open it separately, tweak a patch, save it, switch back to Gadget, load the patch, that is far worse than via IAA in Cubasis.
No scale locked keyboard or piano roll in Cubasis. That immediately makes it 10 times slower for me to do anything.
Way too much plumbing involved and set-up time in Cubasis.
Doesn't allow me to work on the same track on iPhone and iPad.
I don't get on with the piano roll editing either.
I have tried to use Cubasis as an alternative to Gadget. But it didn't work for me.
The phone argument is something i hadn´t thought about. That truly changes things for many people of course. And of course changes the whole design of the App!
I love the easy to set up expressive pads in Cubasis. It´s one of the best solutions anywhere at least for me...
I think a passionate match up of Gadget vs Cubasis while a bit silly, actually may help answer the original question. To show what Gadget is, you have to face up to what Gadget is not. Gadget is not a traditional DAW. In many ways except in the most literal, Gadget is not even a DAW.
The thing is though, there is no doubt Gadget may be useful for many people's workflows (I hate that word) and essential for others. From workstation keyboard to song sketch pad to song creation app, Gadget is many things to many people. To myself, it's many things too, the best of which - it is FUN
Also dont forget you can start a project in gadget and load it in to ableton with a few taps of your fingers and also Cubasis...to finish, flesh out, edit, polish etc
When using an IAA in Cubasis and tweaking a preset, are you not following pretty much the same process you describe here anyway ? Switch to the IAA, tweak your patch, then save your patch and switch back to Cubasis.
And you are also forgetting to mention the additional step you have with IAA of having to load your patch each time you open your project.....
AUv3 is different because of the state saving..but you were specifically referring to IAA.
Absolutely this.....which is why I said Gadget has many disguises...
It CAN be and is not limited to being
It is this flexibility that generates the love that Gadget users have for it.
Absolutely not, via IAA you just have to switch Apps. You don´t have to save and load anything any time you edit a sound. You can run a midi sequence, and tweak all you have to do to switch is tap on the app symbol on the MIDI track. On the iWaveStation there is also an IAA badge, for easy remote control of cubasis.
I'd be careful there......The IAA itself is remembering its last state......If you start a different tune, and use that same IAA, and build a different patch.....then go back to your original song it will try using your new patch....if you haven't saved your old one it is gone !
Yeah Andy is correct here @Patric_Bateman. You may come back to some old songs in months to come and think hey what the fecks going on here!
@AndyPlankton I misunderstood you, i was talking about live editing sounds, which is not possible in Gadget and lets say iM1. Upon closing Cubasis you have to save the patch in the IAA Synth of course.
Glad we are now on the same page now
, Yes you are right using Gadget alone you cannot fully edit live sounds in iM1 or iWavestation. This is not a problem if you are happy with the presets and some limited editing on top, or if you tend to pre-program your sounds before composing with them.
I personally get around this by using an external sequencer to Gadget when programming sounds for these ( i use Circuit, but you can use any other sequencer (e.g Beatstep) or app (e.g ModStep, StepPolyArp) that will sync to Gadget). You can then edit in the full synth app, and pull the sequence and patch into Gadget when you are happy with it.
Which proves your initial point of it is not 'easier' in Gadget....at the same time it is no more difficult than when using Cubasis if you use other tools as well
Me too
And to be fair, Milpitas is much more usable than Darwin!
bateman is a good name, as you seem to be baiting here. you seem to even be arguing with yourself throughout this thread.
the instruments sound great. the fx don't but myself and others usually mix elsewhere, at which your point about fx is moot. opening up a session in ableton is like magic, coming from backgrounds where tracks needed to be bounced down individually, exported, etc. here it's all done at once and splits up the clips for easy rearrangement. importing into auria is painless.
anyways, i never compared cubasis with gadget, because they aren't the same type of app. just pointed out that cubasis is not "better in every area", as actual sequencing is definitely not. also, universality (is that a word), amount of good sounding internal soundsources, every possible automation already set up to finess, etc. duplicating a scene and making minor adjustments has never been easier for me.
@DaveMagoo @Matt_Fletcher_2000
Thank you Gentlemen.