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The original charm and original success of Gadget came from the original Gadgets. Another user described them very fitting as "virtual volcas" to play around with. The simple but great sounding synths have an incredibly engaging effect, and spark creativity.
The latest synths just don´t fit in gadget. They´re monsters. Especially the iWavestation and the ODYSSEi are brilliant apps with great user interfaces. The iM1 Gadget Version is the worst and is just a preset machine. How stupid is it, to have to open the actual app to do some sounddesign, then save it to the User Card, just to use it in Gadget? How incredibly stupid is it, to not even have the possibility to share patches between Lexington and Odyssei? How about the important performance features like the KAOSS Pads missing? What about the original legends like the iMS20?
Gadget has a charm if you´re working with the original Gadgets, that have been designed for Gadget. There are some similarities anyway, KIEV = iWavestation, Berlin = Odyssei, As soon as you´re working with the monsters, it just feels wrong and forced. Like to force something, that doesn´t belong.
So ... don't?
Honestly. WTH? Korg offers an app standalone and outside of Gadget, then they give you the ability to leverage it within Gadget if you want. Bitch. Bitch. Bitch.
So it doesn't have every feature? (Though I'm positive that at least within iWavestation you can save a preset in the standalone then use it in Gadget, though not the other way around.) I'm happy to have it there.
You don't have to install the Gadgets for the standalone guys. Just remove them if they put a bug up your sensitive butt.
Except when you can´t even use the patches you´ve created in one version, in the other version like Lexington.
All Korg Gadget needs is audio tracks and a dedicated sampler gadget like the sampler in BeatMaker 2. Maybe this will happen in Gadget 3. So far Korg Gadget is awesome with the iWavestation, ODYSSEi and iM1 gadgets.
True for Lexington. Not gonna ruin my whole day though.
But those three aren´t Gadgets, they´re legendary monstersynths. Especially the iWavestation unleashed a potential with the new UI that´s just amazing! IM 1 is awesome too, but you can´t do anything with it in Gadget. There is just a preset browser lol. The Milpitas isn´t quite as bad, but it also lacks crucial sound design capabilities of the full synth. I just don´t get it, it´s just a bad design for the monstersynths. It works with the "Gadgets" but if you look at the AUv3 synths like iSEM, Phasemaker or my favourite Micrologue they work very well with the limited screenspace.
Since I bought gadget about 2 years ago, I've had a ton of fun with it. I love what it does and don't worry about what it doesn't do. I haven't bought the last 5 IAP's, there's so much stuff in gadget I haven't explored as it is. As for the m1 (which I did buy), wasn't it pretty much a preset machine anyway? I know you probably could modify the sounds, but anyone I know who used one (I mean that I actually know personally, not artists that were known for using it) definitely did not do any programming, but made a lot of music with that synth. I'm not a keyboardist and am 42, so the M1 was out at a time where synths didn't factor into my life at all.
Anyway, I dig gadget, it's easy to get ideas down relatively quickly, or to just start playing to see what happens.
If I had one wish, I wish the keyboard initially showed up as a standard keyboard then had the option to utilize scale mode, rather than having to select the scale, go to chromatic, pick a root note to lay out the keyboard correctly, then select 1 octave and 12 scale steps. But, if that never got changed I still love it.
I got tons of use from nano studio "back in the day," so easy to get ideas going. But I hated the eden synth. Still, I tried to make it sound useful to what I was hearing in my head. Hard to believe that day was only 3 or 4 years ago, look how far things have come!
I think it's funny when people talk about gadgets missing this that and the other features, yet most people don't even bother programming their own synth sounds anyway. Yeah it's always great to have more options, but imagine if most guitarists stopped using pedals that only had two adjustable settings because they find them too limited.
I program lots of sounds on my iOS synths, yet in reality I'm probably only using a few parameters most of the time if I ever need any hands on while playing the sounds. You can get an awful lot of mileage from what most of the gadgets offer.
@mrufino1
This is why these apps iM1 and iWavestation are so exciting, they are so much better to use than the original synths. I think just because you were hearing the same factory presets everywhere, it´s a shame and a waste of genius synth engines, especially in the iWavestation. This is a sounddesign monster, but the iM1 is pretty amazing also, you can build huge layers of 8x2 waveforms, individual amp/filter envelopes now with resonance (the M1 didn´t have resonant filters) it has a gigantic sonic potential, unlocked through the great UI.
Except when you use Gadget of course, then "Darwin" is just a joke!
@Fruitbat1919 That´s what i´m saying all along, the charm of Gadget came from the gadgets themselves. Super easy and quick to program with great sonic results. But the concept doesn´t work at all for full grown monstersynths like the iWaveStation.
Yeah I can live with the cut down interfaces in gadget for the standalone synths. I do think it's a shame you can't import sounds made in Oddy into its gadget - that is a miss.
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And I think which is most important: a ton of fantastic sounds (and IAPs
@Fruitbat1919 That´s a huge dealbreaker for me, since creating sounds on the odyssei is actually great, despite the fiddly sliders. It just sounds so amazing, it has a unique character. And to not have the KAOSS PADs isn´t great either. Too bad the IAA integration in Cubasis isn´t great either. That does piss me off a little bit, because i feel we have Gadget to blame for this!
If you like to make music with the notes at the beginning missing, in my experience no other app does it quite as well as Gadget.
I completely agree with AudioGus and his ears. I don't pick up Gadget knowing that highly desirable synth sounds are only a few taps away. I usually have to hunt for them... not always with success either.
A lot of the sounds are lame. I wish Korg would pack in bringing out the retro gadgets- and concentrate on the new stuff.
Are you talking about the synths or some presets? I have never seen any Synths anywhere that were this easy to program and that sounded that good. You don´t even need one minute to have a great sounding patch from scratch.
What DO you pick up Gadget for, exactly?
@Patric_Bateman
Sorry, man. You are not in their demo. I'm not either, though I do use it for certain things.
They have a lot of happy customers. They know exactly what they're doing, and they're making a lot of money. I hate to admit it, but they've built a successful app dynasty, and it's going to keep growing for years, with or without us. Making the new gadgets available as standalone is just another example of how clever they are— it throws the more box-averse music makers a bone, while the diehard Gadget-heads have to get them to complete the collection. Fricking genius. Everybody wins. They just win a little bit more.
I agree with all the feature requests on this thread. Sounds great. But if it doesn't serve the master plan with their chosen demographic, don't hold your breath. They keep throwing down aces, and I'm still trying to fill a straight. Ah, well. Back to Cubasis.
I know they are classic monstersynths. What I am saying is that it is great that those monstersynths are in gadget since Korg doesn't support AU yet.
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Always!!
Maybe it´s an age thing.
I think you made some very interesting points!
But i have to disagree on certain points: iM1, ODYSSEi and iWavestation aren´t gadgets, they´re standalone monsters, that somehow got squeezed into Gadget, to support that ecosystem. And you´re spot on with the analysis of the hoarders, that just have to collect them all, it worked with Volca, and Gadget is the App version of it. But, i´m 100% certain there are very different philosophies among the developers at KORG. Some like the Gadget Model and Ecosystem, some see it critical. That the integration sucks like with ODYSSEi is the best example of division between teams. The AUv3 standard will absolutely dominate the future of iOS music production, and people will collect AUs for the price of Gadgets. (Like me) But KORG won´t go AUv3, because they know how much it can hurt Gadget.
So it´s a stupid situation, and not everybody wins...
And i don´t think they will, just to not cannibalize Gadget. And this is where it is going to suck for us, and we should voice our opinions.
Gadget is great. Cubasis is great. Modstep is great. Etc.
I rarely use any in isolation and don't particularly want to either. But Gadget on its own would be a helluva lot more fun than Cubasis on its own...
And as for the iM1s and so on, just use as IAA in Cubasis. Problem solved.
Gadget is isolation by definition, all you can do is send Master Out via Audiobus/IAA and that´s it. Cubasis you can fill up with amazing AUs, like Bram Bos Ruismaker. So much better than Tokyo! Stunning effects like Klevgrand Squeezit and Korvpressor, easy to use and sound georgeous. The MicroLogue is one of the best sounding VA synths on iOS btw, especially if you want that silky "Roland" sound.
Gadget is a Workstation with some sweet sounding mini synths, like Chiang Mai, or Helsinki, that fill a niche.
I was talking about both. I migrated from the world of hardware just over a year ago- I am not getting near the sounds I was used to playing with (using mainly electribes, Roland MC's and Novation synths) using Gadget. It's probably too much to expect- not that I do expect it- given the price comparison- and all the rest of it- but- they do not sound as good. If they did- the bottom would have fallen out of the hardware market- but it hasn't
. So to say that Gadget sounds are fantastic and wonderful is wide of the mark....... a Roland TB- 03 as an example....now that really sounds great (I have one) but then they cost about £329
I pick Gadget up for the same reason I pick up any synth/ drum machine these days- which is to create clips to drop into Launchpad.
Don't get me wrong- Gadget is a great and I'm glad it's here and I do get a huge amount of joy and creativity from it at some times- it is not a Stellar item in the world of music production however. To laud it as such is simply overstating.
Ehm are we now comparing Gadget Synths with Hardware Synths? You´re saying that the 30 bucks Moog Model 15 App doesn´t sound exactly like the 10.000 $ Hardware? I´m shocked!
Compared to other iOS Synths, Gadget competes very well. And the "monsters" that got squeezed into Gadget like Lexington is arguable the best sounding VA synth right now. Milpitas/iWavestation almost exactly like the original Hardware as does the iM1.
Personally I find although Gadget does tend to have a certain commonality to its sounds, I tend to find they fit well with other synths on iOS. As people often use the term, 'they fit in a mix well'. I tend to agree and although none of the standard gadgets are of the type that cut through mixes in some sense of the way we want certain synth sounds to, I do not find that an issue, now that the Oddy has joined the fray.
I've had a lot of hardware over the years and as a general rule of thumb I'm just as impressed by the sounds I can get from iOS synths. I just think too many all encompassing sound hogs don't work well together and sometimes sounds that can sound 'weak' on their own, are ideal partners.
Obviously this is just my opinion based on using my monitor speakers as reference. These are the same cheap ones I used in my now long gone studio to get a more 'down to earth reference'. Best synths ever in Gadget? Well maybe not, but to my mind they are just as useful in the palate of iOS synths (and music in general) as any hardware I've owned.
As I've always said, the synths sounds of most iOS apps are not the limiting factor in my music - that belongs to my appalling song writing talent, or lack of
@Fruitbat1919 I´m also very impressed, and especially with the digital Synths like the iWavestation, there is no difference. What i love on iOS is the sounddesign workflow, the touchscreen just does it for me. And gadget synths are a joy to program, it´s just so fast. If you need a rather common Bass sound, real quick, why not fire up Dublin or Berlin, in a minute you can dial in the sound you want.
If you read my post again you will see that I was discussing them notwithstanding the cost. The sounds are nowhere near as good as expensive synths......... yes we have got that.......... The discussion was about how good the sounds of Gadget are- not the cost of them. But as you and I are both saying- say they are not so good as synths. Therefore to describe the sounds of Gadget as being wonderful- by simple deduction- is incorrect...... They are not too bad at all for the price- but they are not marvellous.
I am glad that you agree with me- it's good to feel supported
Try a glass of water and a lie down in a dark room for your shock symptoms
Yeah I would love Korg to have an AUx wrapper gadget. I would use gadget more then, but really it's the fx that I find more of a let down. I would love an AUx fx channel in Gadget.
Personally I don't think,having AUx within Gadget would be a problem as far as it 'raping' the sales of gadgets. I do however think that Korg (as with many companies), tend to be very specific at which markets they aim certain product and find that sometimes they struggle to challenge their own concepts once they set a market plan. This is where the smaller dev teams seem to claim as their own - the ability to try something 'off the wall'.
I have a lot of faith in Korg though. For one of the larger companies, they have always shown (in hardware at least) times where they are willing to take risks.
We´re on an iOS Forum. We were talking about an iOS app. So when someone like me describes the sound quality of an iOS App as great, how does it make any sense to dispute that, because you used to own hardware that made iOS sound "not as good". It doesn´t make sense. I´m not interested in a pointless done-to-death hardware vs software discussion. So lets keep comparing iOS Apps to iOS apps, ok?