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New Klevgränd Synth called Pads

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  • You are only talking about their synths there, right ?
    Their effects are some of the best on the desktop and i suspect as much in IOS, Korvpressor is very much a secret weapon of a ton of producers !!

  • @aaronpc said:
    Devil's advocate.

    I love Klevgrand's apps, but still haven't bought any of the AU only instruments. They're like little gourmet deserts— sound great, but would only fit into a couple songs before sounding overused.

    I can understand what they're doing, and it probably brings their work to income ratio more into line with their day jobs, but I'm not sure I'll want my AU list littered with very specialized AU instruments like these if everyone starts doing it.

    Gadgets success proved, that iOS users love simple to use synths that fit a certain purpose. The smaller screen real estate further pushes AUv3s in a more specialized direction. The fact that you can have as many of them run at the same time, further establishes that.

    Certain monsters like Moog Model 15 would be impossible to port to AUv3, the GUI wouldn´t work at all anymore. I think we will have a healthy mix of nice little gadgets like Klevgrand Pads and full blown synths, that can have an effective GUI with the smaller screen real estate.

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    A very quick demo of a couple of Pad sounds which quickly got overtaken by watching the Godard movie at the same time etc. Happens.

    Gawddamn! Okay the pad is nice but that lead oriental violin sound was so cool. Very nice track, really great cohesion with the drums too...

  • I'm using it and it's out of tune with everything else! How do I fix it?

  • @u0421793 said:

    @Patric_Bateman said:
    … that don´t have redundant elements …

    This is quite a big thing from my point of view. It seems like it'd be better value to have an app that does lots of things, but really, I don't want to have fifty apps that partially duplicate functionality in some way, over and over. That was one of the problems with linux - every program having its own file save or print functionality, etc.

    Providing independent modules as AUs like the latest iVCS3 update is quite revolutionary in my opinion. This prevents redundancy and allows incredible new possibilities. It doesn´t work that well in Cubasis yet, but shows where the path may lead.

  • Stable AUV3 for me is a requirement for any synth or effect or host. Without this I won't even consider it

  • i hear you guys saying its a win win for everyone but how is it a win win for those who don't use au host?

  • @Tarekith said:
    Ah, I misunderstood. Whew, thanks!

    no midi in stand alone either right?

  • edited December 2016

    @kobamoto said:
    no midi in stand alone either right?

    >

    It will load stand alone mode, but without any kind of connectivity or internal recording, this is not much use. After my initial rush of enthusiasm, I am feeling a little frustrated by how little I can actually use this.

    Klevgaard need to take a leaf from the Brambos book, and deliver on the potential of this one.

    At the moment, it s a splendid AU app, but could be so much more.

  • You can't use a midi controller to play it, or you just can't route midi from another app?

  • @Tarekith said:
    You can't use a midi controller to play it, or you just can't route midi from another app?

    >

    Correct.

  • @Tarekith said:
    Which?

    It's quite obvious from the app description:

    Pads - Lush Pad Synthesizer by Klevgränd Production AB
    https://appsto.re/dk/RKd4eb.i

  • @Tarekith said:
    Which?

    Both. It´s not usable standalone, apart from testing some sounds. My biggest gripes with it is no Modwheel support, which would be perfect to fade from one wavetable to the other. Why do we have decent velocity support, but no modwheel? This must be so simple to implement.

    @kobamoto said:
    i hear you guys saying its a win win for everyone but how is it a win win for those who don't use au host?

    AUv3 is the future, there are already a lot of hosts out there, what´s stopping you from getting one?

  • Bleh. Oh well, thanks guys for the answers.

  • But, providing you use this with AU enabled app, such as AUM, and you can use other apps to drive this, easily and in multiple versions. So no big problem.

    If you don't yet have an AUM or one of the other AU enabled apps that can host, then it would be a great idea to get one, 'cause AU is the way things are going.

  • edited December 2016

    For years industry standard does not require AU to be usable standalone.

    We've been asking for more AU, I don't understand the gripe with the standalone app, really he didn't have to include it at all. And the description is very clear in the AppStore

  • @Nkersov said:
    But, providing you use this with AU enabled app, such as AUM, and you can use other apps to drive this, easily and in multiple versions. So no big problem.

    If you don't yet have an AUM or one of the other AU enabled apps that can host, then it would be a great idea to get one, 'cause AU is the way things are going.

    This. AU is definitely the way things are going.

  • @Patric_Bateman said:

    @Tarekith said:
    Which?

    Both. It´s not usable standalone, apart from testing some sounds. My biggest gripes with it is no Modwheel support, which would be perfect to fade from one wavetable to the other. Why do we have decent velocity support, but no modwheel? This must be so simple to implement.

    @kobamoto said:
    i hear you guys saying its a win win for everyone but how is it a win win for those who don't use au host?

    AUv3 is the future, there are already a lot of hosts out there, what´s stopping you from getting one?

    Yes agree. No modwheel support is this apps real crime.

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @Patric_Bateman said:

    @Tarekith said:
    Which?

    Both. It´s not usable standalone, apart from testing some sounds. My biggest gripes with it is no Modwheel support, which would be perfect to fade from one wavetable to the other. Why do we have decent velocity support, but no modwheel? This must be so simple to implement.

    @kobamoto said:
    i hear you guys saying its a win win for everyone but how is it a win win for those who don't use au host?

    AUv3 is the future, there are already a lot of hosts out there, what´s stopping you from getting one?

    Yes agree. No modwheel support is this apps real crime.

    Saying that though, at least you can midi up the fade.

  • If it hasn't already been pointed out you can download a trial version of this for Mac or PC (VST or AU). That's what I did and it didn't take long to determine this wasn't worth it for me. The presets aren't that great plus iSEM, also an AU, could probably cover the same ground that Pads seems to be representing. And if not that probably one of the other many synths I have could.

    I like Klsevgrand's stuff but I'm going to pass on this one.

  • edited December 2016

    @Paulyboy said:
    If it hasn't already been pointed out you can download a trial version of this for Mac or PC (VST or AU). That's what I did and it didn't take long to determine this wasn't worth it for me. The presets aren't that great plus iSEM, also an AU, could probably cover the same ground that Pads seems to be representing. And if not that probably one of the other many synths I have could.

    I like Klsevgrand's stuff but I'm going to pass on this one.

    That´s a great idea for all interested! It´s a real problem on iOS, and might even drive away reasonable customers. Degenerate soundjunkies like me will buy anything anyway and keep economy going :smile:

    The presets shouldn´t even be considered on a synth that easy to handle. And i´m pretty certain iSEM wouldn´t be able to cover the sounds of Pads, the wavetables sound like they are extracted from analog synth sound sources, but i´m pretty sure not all of them could be replicated in iSEM. The grain/noise is sampled from a broken tonewheel from apparently a Hammond B3 or something like that, according to Klevgrand.

    So, my hats off to you if you can replicate all this in iSEM :p

    It´s a great little Pads gadget, hungry on the CPU, great sound, good price.

    But implement the Modwheel for Wavetable fade goddamnit!

  • @Patric_Bateman said:

    @Paulyboy said:
    If it hasn't already been pointed out you can download a trial version of this for Mac or PC (VST or AU). That's what I did and it didn't take long to determine this wasn't worth it for me. The presets aren't that great plus iSEM, also an AU, could probably cover the same ground that Pads seems to be representing. And if not that probably one of the other many synths I have could.

    I like Klsevgrand's stuff but I'm going to pass on this one.

    That´s a great idea for all interested! It´s a real problem on iOS, and might even drive away reasonable customers. Degenerate soundjunkies like me will buy anything anyway and keep economy going :smile:

    The presets shouldn´t even be considered on a synth that easy to handle. And i´m pretty certain iSEM wouldn´t be able to cover the sounds of Pads, the wavetables sound like they are extracted from analog synth sound sources, but i´m pretty sure not all of them could be replicated in iSEM. The grain/noise is sampled from a broken tonewheel from apparently a Hammond B3 or something like that, according to Klevgrand.

    So, my hats off to you if you can replicate all this in iSEM :p

    It´s a great little Pads gadget, hungry on the CPU, great sound, good price.

    But implement the Modwheel for Wavetable fade goddamnit!

    That may very well be true about iSEM. I don't have my iPad with me at the moment so I wasn't able to go through the presets and check. With all the synths I have there's literally thousands of presets to choose from. I have heard sounds like this before from something I already have but I can't recall which synth they were from.

    I guess I'm dealing with preset overload so something has to sound really unique for me to be interested these days.

  • @Paulyboy said:

    @Patric_Bateman said:

    @Paulyboy said:
    If it hasn't already been pointed out you can download a trial version of this for Mac or PC (VST or AU). That's what I did and it didn't take long to determine this wasn't worth it for me. The presets aren't that great plus iSEM, also an AU, could probably cover the same ground that Pads seems to be representing. And if not that probably one of the other many synths I have could.

    I like Klsevgrand's stuff but I'm going to pass on this one.

    That´s a great idea for all interested! It´s a real problem on iOS, and might even drive away reasonable customers. Degenerate soundjunkies like me will buy anything anyway and keep economy going :smile:

    The presets shouldn´t even be considered on a synth that easy to handle. And i´m pretty certain iSEM wouldn´t be able to cover the sounds of Pads, the wavetables sound like they are extracted from analog synth sound sources, but i´m pretty sure not all of them could be replicated in iSEM. The grain/noise is sampled from a broken tonewheel from apparently a Hammond B3 or something like that, according to Klevgrand.

    So, my hats off to you if you can replicate all this in iSEM :p

    It´s a great little Pads gadget, hungry on the CPU, great sound, good price.

    But implement the Modwheel for Wavetable fade goddamnit!

    That may very well be true about iSEM. I don't have my iPad with me at the moment so I wasn't able to go through the presets and check. With all the synths I have there's literally thousands of presets to choose from. I have heard sounds like this before from something I already have but I can't recall which synth they were from.

    I guess I'm dealing with preset overload so something has to sound really unique for me to be interested these days.

    Mate, if you really want unique sounds, or to put it in other words, sounds that you really enjoy, that fit your musical taste, you have to create your own patches.

    That´s what so great on iOS synths, sound design is actual fun. I am using iOS for exactly this reason. If i wanted presets my Desktop would be a much better choice...And simple synths like Pads, or the original Korg Gadgets get you there much faster than the full blown ones. Better a simple synth that you understand and operate fully than a big one where you only use the presets...

  • The jury seems to be widely split on this one. Half (if not most) between this site, musicappblog, synthtopia, etc. seem to be pretty disappointed with this one, while a substantial minority seem to love it.

    Is does it all come down to those to rely mostly on presets, and don't like the presets? Or, is this synth really not capable of much and can't really create very interesting sounds on it's own, without extra external FX added?

    I can't tell from the short demo video how tweakable and how much customization of your own patches you can actually do with this one. If it's a matter of the presets being underwhelming, but it's capable of really weird, unique and interesting pads if you get in there and tweak, I'd take a chance. Otherwise, I'm thinking I might be better off saving my pennies for iWavestation and calling it done for 2016. :)

  • @skiphunt said:
    The jury seems to be widely split on this one. Half (if not most) between this site, musicappblog, synthtopia, etc. seem to be pretty disappointed with this one, while a substantial minority seem to love it.

    Is does it all come down to those to rely mostly on presets, and don't like the presets? Or, is this synth really not capable of much and can't really create very interesting sounds on it's own, without extra external FX added?

    I can't tell from the short demo video how tweakable and how much customization of your own patches you can actually do with this one. If it's a matter of the presets being underwhelming, but it's capable of really weird, unique and interesting pads if you get in there and tweak, I'd take a chance. Otherwise, I'm thinking I might be better off saving my pennies for iWavestation and calling it done for 2016. :)

    It´s a niche for nice vintage sounding pads with a certain flavor. If you don´t have the iWavestation yet, save your money of course. I don´t get why anyone even mentions the presets, since it one of the easiest synths to program to your taste. It still is deeper than it looks, because of the different sound character of the wavetables. It´s a more versatile, better sounding version of the Helsinki Gadget. For five bucks it is absolute nice to have!

    Still, Pads is a gadget, iWavestation is a monster!

  • I can understand the disappointment. I think overall it's a little cold and thin sounding rather than lush and warm. Depends what kind of pads you are after.

  • Use SquashIt to pump up some chosen frequencies and tweak the settings in both apps slowly. You will get some lovely lush, dare I say 'old school' synth string pads out of it. Add a few together in AUM and make your own Salina type sounds.

    There is real character to be had with this with only a little work.

  • Play too many instances with big chords or needing too much polyphony and you will soon bring an Air2 to its knees ;)

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:
    Use SquashIt to pump up some chosen frequencies and tweak the settings in both apps slowly. You will get some lovely lush, dare I say 'old school' synth string pads out of it. Add a few together in AUM and make your own Salina type sounds.

    There is real character to be had with this with only a little work.

    If you enjoy the process, fine. But if this is what's required to get nice pads, then Pads is possibly not the best tool for the job it's advertised to do.

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