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Nope I definitely don't agree with you there.
@kobamoto Please correct the spelling mistake in the header. OCD is killing me...
Hi all!
Johan here (developer at Klevgränd who did the programming for Pads)
Pads seems to be controversial! We carefully read everything here, and your opinions are important to us, and I think I get almost every point of view in this thread. Making a synth is a balance between creating a conventional product that just ”do the job” and a more innovative one based on our curiosity. We tend to stick to the latter, and sometimes we don't please everyone.
Here’s our perspective:
The initial idea of Pads was to create a simple-to-use synth rendering pad sounds that feels good to play on a keyboard. We didn’t add any internal delays or reverbs to this one just because we wanted as few parameters as possible. The output might sound a bit of raw, but that’s how we wanted it to sound. A bit of EQ and delay on the channel strip will easily shape a more ”nice” sound.
The standalone version is more or less a dummy app just like Jussi, Tines and Haaze with no connectivity what so ever (and the keyboard is very simple, we know that), but that’s all stated in the app description. This is confusing a few users, and we should probably be even more clear on how to use our newer apps to get the best out of them. We really believe that AUv3 is the future for effects and synths on iOS, and hopefully Apple some day allows AUv3-only releases on iTunes.
We like the presets… I guess this one is about taste, and we could probably have created more of them. Regarding the UI parts of the preset list there could (and probably will) be a better way of navigating between the patches. We’re discussing this…
And, there’s an update (v1.0.1) on it’s way that fixes a bug when Pads is running in other sample rates than 44.1kHz (on other sample rates Pads will get out of tune). It’s uploaded to iTunes and waiting for review.
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Eh? Not getting what you mean here. Pretty much every synth has its share of dull and innovative presets. Tweaking around is half the fun.
We can all agree that Pads doesn´t sound like much without some additional effects. Generally i like synths that come with their own effects, if they are high quality and tailored to their characteristic. But with the AUv3 format, the more and more modular nature of it all, i give it a pass. Go for the Cubasis Tape Delay
@sundhage
I agree that AU is the future on iOS.
I think it may take a while for some to see the benefits of using multiple simplistic AUs such as Pads. I personally love this approach. I find the blending of different AU app sounds to give me extra options from the 2 or 3 Osc subtractive synth approach that many seem more comfortable with.
I am of course not saying that this is the only option, Pads can sound just as good on its own through some FX. I quite like synths not including FX. It gets a pain having to go through multiple apps and turning their own FX off all the time
Congrats anyway on another very useful app.
Thanks for this. Your effects and synths are excellent.
Will you be able to add more presets in future updates?
....and a wavetable-based drum instrument would be coolness
this would be hugely useful!
Am I cured ? whether it is because I just got iWavestation and already have other synths capable of great pads that I am not compelled to buy this.......perhaps I have been cured of my appoholism Here's hoping. Or perhaps I'll jump on it when Santa brings some iTunes credits, who knows.
Sorry to be a nay sayer, but I bet your not cured!
maybe. I love Korg but I skipped iWavestation because AU has become mandatory for me. There are a lot of great sounding synths rotting on my iPad -- lack of AU has now become offensive
Hey Johan, huge fan here of your stuff. It was always obvious to me, that you designed this app for quick and easy play on a midi keyboard, with the velocity implementation. The minimalistic UI also gives away, that your goal was to have the least possible controls, faders and buttons on it. But, leaving out the Modwheel on a pad synth, that is designed to be played on a midi keyboard is just a mistake, sorry, no other way to put it.
With the missing reverb/delay i think you´re hurting yourself in sales. From a logical point of view, iOS Musicians that have an AU host should know very well how to shape their sound. The reality though is different, you can see that with the focus on the presets. Many customers expect lush, fat pads right out of the box, and are disappointed when they hear Pads "dry". I´d built in a tweaked/simplified version of Roverb, to build it´s character further.
Thx so much for listening to our feedback!
I wish i was as strong as you, but the iWavestation is just waayyy too good to pass up.
My comment was in response to this:
Which was a response to this:
I may end up buying this app still -- will really depend on demos. But I think it's fair to ask: (1) What is this synth for? (Lush pads) and (2) Is it good at that thing? (It can be made good -- but so can other synths with the same treatment, e.g. Wave Generator.)
While someone's mentioning Roverb. Please consider giving Roverb and Vandelay AU extensions.
And thanks for providing us the feedback We've just added some stuff to the backlog for Pads (one of them actually is some kind of modwheel support, not sure exactly what we decide to modulate though, personally I'd go for the filter, but my collegues might not agree).
I can see why you thought my comment was related to @richardyots comment, but it actually was just an open comment to many I've seen relating to the use of the app in question. Now while I respect that it is your opinion to what and how you would like to use an app like Pads, I can't say that I agree that advertising of the app claims that which the app is not capable of. I do however respect that you and some others may want something else straight out the box and included in the presets to constitute what you consider 'Lush Pads'. That's cool. I do however disagree if you do consider the app falsely advertising what it can and can't do.
I'm not trying to start any arguments or think that you are either, I just think we have a difference of opinion and that I can respect
I think you should be lazy and just copy the VEL MOD X switches and call them "RAD MOD X" Put them on Morph (most important) Wobble and the Filter...Problem solved
I like Pads and I like how its encouraging me in AUM and AP to add sauce to the sounds, however the above is the one thing I would like to see improved if at all possible.
Bing, bing, bing....
For all the folks who are still undecided ) i did a quick soundcheck of Pads soaked in Tape Delay. Simple Fade between two wavetables, for what the Modwheel would really come in handy!
Trust me, it has been considered. The problem is screen space; those apps were made for a full screen iPad. We have to rethink the whole UI if it should fit inside a AU window... But sooner or later it will happen! I just can't say when.
If it becomes obvious that they cannot be adapted to the AU screen size, Could you considered a similar approach to the PPG apps? They have made full features only available in the stand alone version, while a sub set of the features are available as the AU. Almost like a preset player of the app, with some adjustable features. Not perfect, but better than no AU at all.
Part of Klevgrands focus is undoubtedly a clean and appealing user interface, and they are willing to make significant sacrifices to achieve it. I´ve just purchased Enkl, and am a little disappointed with the AU user interface, it is nearly impossible to adjust the lfo frequency, and i don´t have fat fingers at all No problem doing so in the standalone app.
Klevgrand is obviously not willing to spread an App over different pages/subpages, so the features are naturally limited.
@sundhage Kuvert needs some love too like AUv3 with host-sync and Link
+100
I think this best sort of covers what I was trying to say earlier in this thread but it came out wrong. I love most of their stuff but Pads just isn't for me.
Then again I suffer from appoholism as well so it's not out of the question that I will change my mind on this one…
;-)
Out of interest (and beyond just this app really) what do you think would be most likely to cause you to change your mind? A better demo? An update? A price cut/sales? Appaholism?
I actually appreciated the fact that it doesn't have any effects, as it results in a very simple UI. I can knock up a good enough pad in this thing very quickly (and add effects later when I've got the bones of the song down).
Well like I said I have the free trial version of Pads for the Mac. It seems like there is absolutely no restrictions with this trial version except for a "Beep" sound occasionally. So I have actually played around with it and listened to all the presets. Some of the presets are actually pretty nice but there are actually Pad sounds that "scratch my itch" in that realm (Synthmaster Player's in particular) which I already have access to with other synths. I do like the simplicity of the sound tweaking but that's just not enough for me because I'm really not much of a sound design guy.
But it is an AU, which I really really like, so a moment of weakness, or even a more significant price cut, might get me at some point. ;-)
I like that I can get some pretty crunchy leads out of it.