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  • @mireko_2 said:
    @Dubbylabby
    Bang for buck also includes productivity. Having a self contained cohesive instrument that doesn't change all the time and that you can truly master takes away interference that coordinating all these apps has on creativity and workflow.
    There is a reason people still use these "limited" hardware boxes, they really do facilitate a different headspace when making music.
    I still find it incredible that dj shadow created endtroducing with only a mpc60, turntable, and reel to reel tape recorder. That album is a true masterpiece and who knows if he ever would of made it the way he did if he didn't have that mpc, limitations and all.

    Some people just like to remove the mucking around when making music, other it's what they enjoy, geeking out over the details and the craziest way to effect a sound or whatever.

    They are all valid.

    But there is a reason the mpc is so iconic, it really is something special just sitting in front of one and really knowing it inside out, you think less about what you are doing and start to think more about the music you are making

    DJ Shadow - Endtroducing +1000
    It was not the mpc that made this album legendary, but the time he was spending searching for samples from old vinyls. It took him 2 years before it was finished.

    Shadow talks about it at 54min. Great docu.

  • @5pinlink said:
    Why did they make the software iLok ?

    Please tell me this isn't the case to use it on the akai hardware.

  • @Proto said:

    @mireko_2 said:
    @Dubbylabby
    Bang for buck also includes productivity. Having a self contained cohesive instrument that doesn't change all the time and that you can truly master takes away interference that coordinating all these apps has on creativity and workflow.
    There is a reason people still use these "limited" hardware boxes, they really do facilitate a different headspace when making music.
    I still find it incredible that dj shadow created endtroducing with only a mpc60, turntable, and reel to reel tape recorder. That album is a true masterpiece and who knows if he ever would of made it the way he did if he didn't have that mpc, limitations and all.

    Some people just like to remove the mucking around when making music, other it's what they enjoy, geeking out over the details and the craziest way to effect a sound or whatever.

    They are all valid.

    But there is a reason the mpc is so iconic, it really is something special just sitting in front of one and really knowing it inside out, you think less about what you are doing and start to think more about the music you are making

    DJ Shadow - Endtroducing +1000
    It was not the mpc that made this album legendary, but the time he was spending searching for samples from old vinyls. It took him 2 years before it was finished.

    Shadow talks about it at 54min. Great docu.

    Oh yeah I know it was not the mpc that made the album, I was more saying the limitations of the mpc may have made him focus more on his sample selection etc. it was a mono sampler with 12 seconds of sample time or something like that. He had to sample the L and R channel of every stereo sample and line them up manually

  • @syrupcore said:

    @5pinlink said:
    Why did they make the software iLok ?

    Please tell me this isn't the case to use it on the akai hardware.

    this isn't the case.

  • ok big surprise here, realtime time stretch is not available on the MPC Live in programs (only audio tracks and clips!!!). Big disappointment for me as this was one of the most alluring things about it for me and was confirmed as having this feature in the Q&A with Akai :neutral:

    http://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=182255&start=435

  • from the MPC Live manual:

    "Note: The Warp algorithms are very CPU-intensive and can result in audio drop-outs during playback if used too
    freely. Be mindful of how (and how often) you use the warp function. You can reduce the CPU resources required
    by doing any/all of the following:
    • Minimize the amount of pitch adjustment (e.g., the Semi and Fine fields).
    • Avoid warping very small track regions.
    • Warp as few tracks or track regions as possible (i.e., reduce the number of total number of voices [of the
    polyphonic limit] that use the warp algorithm at a given time). "

  • @kobamoto said:
    there has been incredible music made on mpcs that don't even have any audio tracks for decades. The audio tracks are not even the main feature of the instrument. Overpriced... not even close, it's 1199 and will allow you to do things together in a way that you can't even do on a laptop. It brings together the main features of the mpc, ableton live, a live looping pedal, traktor, an iPad, and some audio tracks on top of that... all working together in a seamless integrated fashion... there hasn't ever even been an instrument like this in hardware or software and to emulate this workflow you would need a laptop and several controllers and run more than one piece of software + a loop pedal which many people do currently... but to make it all work together like it does on this instrument, that's not happening. That's not even getting into the physical features of the unit i.e. that you can connect external hard drives, thumb drives, internal ssd, and other class compliant midi controllers to the unit and use them simultaneously while not being connected to a computer. That's what makes this a gem (if they have made it stable)..... it's not the same thing as having a MacBook , ableton live and a bunch of programs and some midi controllers connected and trying to get them all to work.

    the closest thing to this is probably the roland dj-808..... but obviously it's far from it. allot of people don't really wrap their head around it yet cause there isn't any point of reference. I'm not planning on using the one I ordered with my computer either and even without using it like that 1199 is cheap.

    you work for akai lol 8 tracks is stupid limiting when not plugged into a computer lol glad your happy tho

  • indulge me for a minute.. :)

    I actually have an ipad pro. had it since launch. i have probably 300-400 dollars of music apps on it and i dont even use them at all. im a hardware guy at heart and the LIVE (and X when i get it) are the answers to my needs. i even have cubasis and auria and have not used them once.

    I used to have an mpc 2000xl studio which was the center of my workflow but sold it a while ago because i got caught up in the roland aira boutique hype (ive since sold all of my boutique machines save the tr09 which im sellin on fleabay at the moment. yes i had the VP03 too and just sold it). once that novelty wore off i ended up with a beatstep pro to sync my ob6, tempest, jupiter 80 and some other things.

    well sold off a lot of that as i was having gear paralysis (!!) and now am going back to just an mpc at the center of my hardware gear.

    the LIVE (and X) is perfect for someone who wants standalone FIRST and controler surface SECOND. ive had the LIVE for 3 days now and ive not even downloaded the software for the computer as i dont expect to use it.

    if you are not a hardware person, the LIVE is not for you. you can use impc and be done with it (i have that too and never used it! :disappointed: ) or stay in the box with the ipad pro.

    @Noirflux said:

    @JP-08 said:
    the unit is well built. solid. no lag but I have not loaded up the machine with gb's of samples.

    with 2gb of ram on board, you cant have a lot of stuff under the hood running say over 100 tracks with tons of overdubs... its in essence a laptop computer with 2gb of ram.

    I have impc on the ipad pro amd im sure you can load a project from it to the live, especially since you can do audio recording on the unit (and mpc 2).

    i dont ever plan to use the live (or the X as I have it on pre order) as a controller so i can't speak on 2.0 running on the computer.

    What about the sky? :( lol

    Thanks for the info. I also have an iPad Pro and I was debating if I needed it but I can't stop looking at tutorial videos. I had planned to only use it in standalone as well. I was going to wait and see what BM3 is like before making a decision. Trying to keep my gear limited but the live is very appealing. I saw on the website they plan to support ableton link in a future upadate which is obviously pretty amazing.

  • lol hey the "8 tracks is stupid" guy.. you clearly dont have the LIVE and its obviously not for you. there are hundreds of folks out here that are dying to get the live and they are happy. but I know, its the internet and someone always has to hate on something.. :)

  • @JP-08 said:
    lol hey the "8 tracks is stupid" guy.. you clearly dont have the LIVE and its obviously not for you. there are hundreds of folks out here that are dying to get the live and they are happy. but I know, its the internet and someone always has to hate on something.. :)

    Im not hating its super limited and I have used everything all the way from mpc 60 weird shit like beat thang and maschine studio. I love akai but there tripping lol. If you like it get it sir people thought i was crazy for buying two 12.9 inch 128 gig ipad pros when they came out lol. For me I keep blowing musicians artist and producer on what I am able to do with an ipad a audio interface and a great midi controller. Im an Ipad fan boy lol forgive me. Not appl fan boy but they struck gold. this is a list of some the shit i have on my ipad. You cand do all this on any mpc sir
    What I Have so far
    iPad Audio Units

    AU HOST

    Audio Evolution Mobile Studio (Davy Wenzler) *instruments & effects •iPad only
    Auria (WaveMachine Labs, Inc.) *instruments & effects •iPad only
    Auria LE (WaveMachine Labs, Inc.) *instruments & effects •iPad only
    Auria Pro (WaveMachine Labs, Inc.) *instruments & effects •iPad only
    AUM (Kymatica) *instruments & effects •universal
    Cubasis (Steinberg) *instruments & effects •iPad only
    Cubasis 2 (Steinberg) *instruments & effects •iPad only
    Ferrite Recording Studio (Wooji Juice Ltd) *effects only •universal
    GarageBand (Apple) *instruments & effects •universal
    Helio Workstation (Peter Rudenko) *instruments & effects •iPad only
    midiSTEPs (Arthur Kerns) *instruments & effects •iPad only
    modstep (AppBC) *instruments & effects •iPad only
    MultiTrackStudio (Giel Bremmers) *instruments & effects •iPad only
    n-Track Studio MultiTrack Recorder (n-Track) *instruments & effects •universal
    TIZE (Tize Music, Inc.) *effects only •universal
    Twisted Wave Audio Editor (Twisted Wave) *effects only •universal
    Twisted Wave Recorder (Twisted Wave) *effects only •universal
    zMors Modular (mobile only) *instruments & effects •iPad only

    INSTRUMENT PLUGINS

    Addictive Pro (VirSyn) •iPad only
    Baervaag - FM Synthesizer (Klevgränd produkter AB) •universal
    BASSalicious (MIDIculous LLC) •iPad only
    Colossus Piano (Christian Shoenebeck d/b/a Crudebyte) •universal
    CMP Grand Piano (Christian Shoenebeck d/b/a Crudebyte) •universal
    Enkl monophonic synth (Klevgränd produkter AB) •iPad only
    FM Essentials (Yamaha) •universal
    Heavy Brass (Crudebyte) •iPad only
    iCathedral Organ (Christian Shoenebeck d/b/a Crudebyte) •iPad only
    iSEM (Arturia) •iPad only
    iSymphonic Orchestra (Christian Shoenebeck d/b/a Crudebyte)•universal
    iVCS3 (apeSoft) •universal
    Jussi - Vocal Synthesizer (Klevgränd produkter AB) •universal
    KQ MiniSynth (Ryouta Kira) •universal
    NS1 (Nikolozi Pty Ltd) •iPad only
    Oriental Strings (Christian Shoenebeck d/b/a Crudebyte) •universal
    Pads - Lush Pad Synth (Klevgränd produkter AB) •universal
    Phasemaker (Bram Bros) •universal
    Phonem (Wolfgang Palm PPG) •iPad only
    Poison-202 Vintage MIDI Synthesizer (Dmitrij Pavlov) •universal
    ReSlice (VirSyn) •universal
    Ruismaker (Bram Bros) •universal
    Ruismaker FM (Bram Bros) •universal
    Sensual Sax (Embertone) •universal
    SwarPlug (Swar Systems) •iPad only
    Tines (Klevgränd produkter AB) •universal
    Troublemaker (Bram Bros) •universal
    Turbosounds for Accordian (Reinhard Rieder) •universal
    Viking Synth (Blamsoft, Inc.) •universal
    WaveGenerator (Wolfgang Palm PPG) •iPad only
    WaveMapper (Wolfgang Palm PPG) •iPad only

    EFFECT PLUGINS

    6144 equalizer by DDMF (Christian Siedschlag) •universal
    apeDelay (apeSoft) •universal
    apeFilter (apeSoft) •universal
    AudioEffX (VirSyn) •universal
    AudioMaster Pro (Future Moments) •universal
    AudioVerb (VirSyn) •universal
    Buttercup Bitcrush (Flora Creative Ltd.) •universal
    DC-9 Overdrive (Blamsoft, Inc.) •universal
    Envelope AU Reverb by DDMF (Christian Siedschlag) •universal
    Esspresso de-esser (Klevgränd produkter AB) •iPad only
    F-16 Filter (Blamsoft, Inc.) •universal
    frekvens (Erik Sigth) •universal
    FuxEQ (mattoncino software) •universal
    Haaze- Stereo Tool (Klevgränd produkter AB) •universal
    Korvpressor - smart dynamic hotdog device (Klevgränd Produktion AB) •iPad only
    Lofionic Duplicat Delay (Chris Rivers) •iPad only
    Lofionic Mani Chorus (Chris Rivers) •iPad only
    MicSwap: Microphone Emulator & Recorder (Future Moments) •universal
    MicSwap Pro: Microphone Emulator & Recorder (Future Moments) •universal
    NoLimits Audio Unit Limiter by DDMF (Christian Siedschlag) •universal
    Phlox Phaser (Timothy Barraclough) •universal
    PressIt multiband compressor (Klevgränd produkter AB) •iPad only
    Remaster (Audioforge Labs Inc.) •universal
    Resampler (Blamsoft, Inc.) •universal
    RF-1 (Kai Aras) •universal
    RP-1 (Kai Aras) •universal
    Saffron Saturator (Timothy Baraclough) •universal
    SquashIt (Klevgränd produkter AB) •universal
    Svep phaser, flanger, chorus (Klevgränd produkter AB) •iPad only
    ToneBridge Guitar Effects (Ultimate Guitar) •universal
    Voice Rack: FX (TC-Helicon) •universal
    Zero Chorus (Blamsoft, Inc.) •universal
    Zero Reverb (Blamsoft, Inc.) •universal
    zMors EQ (mobile only) •iPad only
    small list i posted on a different topic

  • @kobamoto said:

    @syrupcore said:

    @5pinlink said:
    Why did they make the software iLok ?

    Please tell me this isn't the case to use it on the akai hardware.

    this isn't the case.

    Thank you. It was half the reason I abandoned ProTools years ago. I still haven't recovered/forgiven!

  • @mireko_2 said:
    from the MPC Live manual:

    "Note: The Warp algorithms are very CPU-intensive and can result in audio drop-outs during playback if used too
    freely. Be mindful of how (and how often) you use the warp function. You can reduce the CPU resources required
    by doing any/all of the following:
    • Minimize the amount of pitch adjustment (e.g., the Semi and Fine fields).
    • Avoid warping very small track regions.
    • Warp as few tracks or track regions as possible (i.e., reduce the number of total number of voices [of the
    polyphonic limit] that use the warp algorithm at a given time). "

    That's reasonable but still a little sad not to see an option 4) "Tap the bounce-in-place button". (aka freeze/unfreeze)

  • I think those are totally reasonable suggestions about time-stretching, it's not magic people.

  • edited May 2017

    @Shazamm said:
    you work for akai lol 8 tracks is stupid limiting when not plugged into a computer lol glad your happy tho

    Dude. It's a Dell an MPC. You still have all of the programs/samples you could want (which is, I presume, the reason for the audio track limitation along with the time stretching stuff). Not an MPC historian but I'm pretty sure eight audio tracks is infinitely more than any other (non-jjos) MPC.

    Not trying to defend a product I don't own, and in particular not trying to defend a product by bastard Jack but it's a portable beat machine with audio tracks, not a portable multi-track with beat making capabilities. The Zoom R series is the latter (and I've never heard of anyone who likes to make beats with one!).

    I hope it has (or gets) 'smart' features for packing and unpacking those 8 tracks (like bounce and freeze). And virtual tracks for dealing with takes.

    Would also eventually like to see a mode where they flip the priorities for those who need/want them on a case by case basis. Where you could boot it up and say "promise only to use a single program with <16 samples and not use any time stretching, etc" and it then frees up resources to use 16 or 24 audio tracks.

  • @JP-08 said:
    once that novelty wore off i ended up with a beatstep pro to sync my ob6, tempest, jupiter 80 and some other things.

    Wow. YUM. Still saving for the OB6. Wish it had 5 octaves and poly-AT but probably going for the keyboard version anyway!

  • @syrupcore, it has bounce to audio tracks... shazamm is not even responding to the quotes of mine that he quoted lol, he doesn't get it... and I'm not even going to use the audio tracks, I don't need a beatmachine for that.

  • @mireko_2 said:
    ok big surprise here, realtime time stretch is not available on the MPC Live in programs (only audio tracks and clips!!!). Big disappointment for me as this was one of the most alluring things about it for me and was confirmed as having this feature in the Q&A with Akai :neutral:

    http://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=182255&start=435

    I guess the work around would be bouncing tracks after you warp them... thanks for the heads up though

    I'd like to know how many of the time stretch algorithms are available in stand alone mode?

  • @kobamoto said:

    @mireko_2 said:
    ok big surprise here, realtime time stretch is not available on the MPC Live in programs (only audio tracks and clips!!!). Big disappointment for me as this was one of the most alluring things about it for me and was confirmed as having this feature in the Q&A with Akai :neutral:

    http://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=182255&start=435

    I guess the work around would be bouncing tracks after you warp them... thanks for the heads up though

    I'd like to know how many of the time stretch algorithms are available in stand alone mode?

    Except you have to put any samples you want to real-time time stretch into an audio track, time stretch and then bounce them which is precisely the opposite of real-time. :)

    Trying to understand what this means in practice. Can you really not put a loop into a program, change the tempo and have it time stretched? Because, if so, I'm with @mireko_2: big disappointment. I don't even use loops that often!

  • @syrupcore said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @mireko_2 said:
    ok big surprise here, realtime time stretch is not available on the MPC Live in programs (only audio tracks and clips!!!). Big disappointment for me as this was one of the most alluring things about it for me and was confirmed as having this feature in the Q&A with Akai :neutral:

    http://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=182255&start=435

    I guess the work around would be bouncing tracks after you warp them... thanks for the heads up though

    I'd like to know how many of the time stretch algorithms are available in stand alone mode?

    Except you have to put any samples you want to real-time time stretch into an audio track, time stretch and then bounce them which is precisely the opposite of real-time. :)

    Trying to understand what this means in practice. Can you really not put a loop into a program, change the tempo and have it time stretched? Because, if so, I'm with @mireko_2: big disappointment. I don't even use loops that often!

    good question, I'm trying to find videos on it right now.... I wasn't under the impression that time stretch was contingent on audio tracks, that would be weird. I dunno what the big deal is about audio tracks anyway, both my other mpcs have audio tracks and I never use them, but audio is audio as long as I can take the audio/ warped audio and slice it up I guess it's not a deal breaker but it really will depend on how simple that is. gonna investigate :)

  • just looking through Mireko's links it looks like the realtime time stretch is only in audio tracks and audio clips....
    hmmm that's booty :D

  • so it looks like it is realtime time stretch but only in those 2 modes, now I gotta eat crow cause I didn't even know I needed to care about audio tracks... looks like I'll be tossing a sample on an audio track time stretching and resampling or slicing the audio track up to make a program..... and ableton remains number 1 when it comes to time stretching but of course the last was to be expected. I still need to know the workflow to be certain if it will work out for me, but in theory it's not that big of a deal cause when you're in an audio track, and audio clip, or a program track you're still in the mpc and they can all work together at the same time. ... we'll see how It pans out.

    the addition of phono inputs and lack of digital input/outputs is more of an issue for me. :(

  • @Tarekith said:
    I think those are totally reasonable suggestions about time-stretching, it's not magic people.

    haha, I know but I want as close to ableton in a box as I can get..... but like syrupcore said it's not like there's another beatmachine out there doing this.

  • ToRaiz maybe? It seems a maschine/remix decks killer attempt...

  • @Tarekith said:
    I think those are totally reasonable suggestions about time-stretching, it's not magic people.

    Agreed but if you time stretch a program or keygroup in the software it looses it when loaded in the standalone, then when reloaded into software the timestrech is gone

  • so are you saying you 'can' time stretch programs in addition to audio tracks and audio clip trigger clips?
    (obviously you're saying something like that) but I was under the impression that you couldn't do the programs... ?

  • @Dubbylabby said:
    ToRaiz maybe? It seems a maschine/remix decks killer attempt...

    the ToRaiz wasn't ready for prime time when it was released but I'm planning to get one when I can find a really good deal on a used one, it's got some promise. I didn't like that those creamy dave smith filters were only global but pioneer said they were going to make them inserts as well .... Plus pioneer are literally the only beatmachine makers who put out roadmaps, if they follow through with the roadmaps I'll have to get it eventually.

    https://www.pioneerdj.com/en-us/news/2016/planned-updates-to-toraiz-sp-16-from-november-2016/

  • edited May 2017

    @kobamoto said:

    @Dubbylabby said:
    ToRaiz maybe? It seems a maschine/remix decks killer attempt...

    the ToRaiz wasn't ready for prime time when it was released but I'm planning to get one when I can find a really good deal on a used one, it's got some promise. I didn't like that those creamy dave smith filters were only global but pioneer said they were going to make them inserts as well .... Plus pioneer are literally the only beatmachine makers who put out roadmaps, if they follow through with the roadmaps I'll have to get it eventually.

    https://www.pioneerdj.com/en-us/news/2016/planned-updates-to-toraiz-sp-16-from-november-2016/

    It seems limited towards mpc but in timestrech/pitchshifth duties it points "realtime" so it seems a revamped SU700 (or the never released aira sampler).
    I will love to see a reduced ToRaiz sampler (sp-8) or new SP-888/555mk2... something simple for slicing and warping. Boutique Variphrase!

  • @syrupcore said:

    @Shazamm said:
    you work for akai lol 8 tracks is stupid limiting when not plugged into a computer lol glad your happy tho

    Dude. It's a Dell an MPC. You still have all of the programs/samples you could want (which is, I presume, the reason for the audio track limitation along with the time stretching stuff). Not an MPC historian but I'm pretty sure eight audio tracks is infinitely more than any other (non-jjos) MPC.

    Not trying to defend a product I don't own, and in particular not trying to defend a product by bastard Jack but it's a portable beat machine with audio tracks, not a portable multi-track with beat making capabilities. The Zoom R series is the latter (and I've never heard of anyone who likes to make beats with one!).

    I hope it has (or gets) 'smart' features for packing and unpacking those 8 tracks (like bounce and freeze). And virtual tracks for dealing with takes.

    Would also eventually like to see a mode where they flip the priorities for those who need/want them on a case by case basis. Where you could boot it up and say "promise only to use a single program with <16 samples and not use any time stretching, etc" and it then frees up resources to use 16 or 24 audio tracks.

    I need more than 8 tracks man for how I produce and work sir. But for beat makers I guess its cool. I stopped being a beat maker years ago and became a producer now Im trying to upgrade to being a composer. So I guess my view is modified. I look at music differently than back when I was so called just making beats.
    i need subgroups vsts and way more functionality than it can offer in standalone. Shit the desktop version super limited to me too. You have to have a certain machine to use the qlinks and all its just not like a studio one 3 or Auria Pro or Logic I need a DAW atmosphere IMHO

  • it's a little janky, the quality of the time stretch doesn't sound that great, also I thought pioneer would do allot better on the fx so I was looking forward to great pioneer fx combined with dave smith filters and crazy sample editing and sequencing but having all of those things the quality isn't there... I think the pioneer multi fx app on the iPad sounds better than the fx in the beat machine......................but
    it has this character to it that I like, I just haven't been able to fine one at a price I'm willing to pay yet, it's crazy what they are charging for that thing new.... I'm waiting for crackhead prices on craigslist lol

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