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Akai's new standalone MPC looks awesome

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  • kobamotokobamoto

    @Dubbylabby said:
    >

    I will love to see a reduced ToRaiz sampler (sp-8) or new SP-888/555mk2... something simple for slicing and warping. Boutique Variphrase!

    I still have hope for the Mysterious Roland...

    Boutique variphrase though, count me in for that , isn't it amazing some of the technology these companies are just sitting on?

  • mireko_2mireko_2

    @kobamoto said:
    so are you saying you 'can' time stretch programs in addition to audio tracks and audio clip trigger clips?
    (obviously you're saying something like that) but I was under the impression that you couldn't do the programs... ?

    Yeah Andy from Akai said in a few video that timestretch would be in the keygroups and programs, this was the feature I was most pumped about.
    It is in the mac/pc software but not in the standalones.
    Sample a single note and timestretch it in the keygroups then you can play it across the keys and all notes are the same length, also sampling a record and cutting it across the pads, then timestretch it to match tempo and then adjust the pitch to change the pitch per slice without changing the tempo.

    I was so hyped when Andy confirmed this for the Live, I've been waiting for this in a mpc for years.

    So that's why I am disappointed it isn't actually in the standalone mode, and even worse that all the keygroup and program time stretching is lost when a project is opened on the standalone mode and is permanently lost so it's all gone when reopening the project on the computer.

    If I had a Live and was using it the way I envisioned using it I would always be using it as a controller slaved to the 2.0 on my desktop and that's not what I wanted at all.

    Cancelled my preorder for now, maybe the next version will have a faster CPU and be able to use this feature, or even if I could disable the audio tracks and clip mode to free up the timestretch engine I would be happy.

    Just a personal preference. It was feature that I really wanted and thought from what was said in Akai press, would be in it.

  • mireko_2mireko_2

    @kobamoto said:

    @Dubbylabby said:
    >

    I will love to see a reduced ToRaiz sampler (sp-8) or new SP-888/555mk2... something simple for slicing and warping. Boutique Variphrase!

    I still have hope for the Mysterious Roland...

    Boutique variphrase though, count me in for that , isn't it amazing some of the technology these companies are just sitting on?

    I still have my vp900, variphrase is a lot of fun :smile:

  • mireko_2mireko_2

    @kobamoto
    From the Akai forum:

    Re: MPCX/LIVE STAND ALONE CREW! NO 2.0 SOFTWARE!!! Yep
    By starmanwarz Fri May 05, 2017 6:34 pm

    At about 6:15 minute mark he confirms that pitch shifting can't be done from the hardware YET and can only be done from the software...

    Hopefully it will be added in the NEAR future but releasing the STANDALONE mpc's without one of the most advertised features is beyond me...

    Who knows what else is left to be discovered.

  • mireko_2mireko_2

    Anyway looks like BM3 is going to have it so I'll just rock that in the meantime

  • lukesleepwalkerlukesleepwalker

    @mireko_2 said:
    Anyway looks like BM3 is going to have it so I'll just rock that in the meantime

    I hope your faith in BM3 is contagious and that I catch it.

  • kobamotokobamoto
    edited May 2017

    @mireko_2 said:

    @kobamoto said:
    so are you saying you 'can' time stretch programs in addition to audio tracks and audio clip trigger clips?
    (obviously you're saying something like that) but I was under the impression that you couldn't do the programs... ?

    Yeah Andy from Akai said in a few video that timestretch would be in the keygroups and programs, this was the feature I was most pumped about.
    It is in the mac/pc software but not in the standalones.
    Sample a single note and timestretch it in the keygroups then you can play it across the keys and all notes are the same length, also sampling a record and cutting it across the pads, then timestretch it to match tempo and then adjust the pitch to change the pitch per slice without changing the tempo.

    I was so hyped when Andy confirmed this for the Live, I've been waiting for this in a mpc for years.

    So that's why I am disappointed it isn't actually in the standalone mode, and even worse that all the keygroup and program time stretching is lost when a project is opened on the standalone mode and is permanently lost so it's all gone when reopening the project on the computer.

    If I had a Live and was using it the way I envisioned using it I would always be using it as a controller slaved to the 2.0 on my desktop and that's not what I wanted at all.

    Cancelled my preorder for now, maybe the next version will have a faster CPU and be able to use this feature, or even if I could disable the audio tracks and clip mode to free up the timestretch engine I would be happy.

    Just a personal preference. It was feature that I really wanted and thought from what was said in Akai press, would be in it.

    I might have to cancel my order as well, as I assumed the same as you, actually now I need to parse down all of the features and get clarification for them all, I was already bummed about not having as good a midi implementation as on the 2500/1000 but wasn't getting rid of them anyway, but this might be a deal breaker as this was the main feature that I have in push 2 that I wanted on the mpc.

    do you know if anyone has tracked down Andy about this, dan Gil's voicemail is full... this is the first time I wished something turned out to be be about a further cash grab then an actual lack of capability?

  • kobamotokobamoto

    @mireko_2 said:
    @kobamoto
    From the Akai forum:

    Re: MPCX/LIVE STAND ALONE CREW! NO 2.0 SOFTWARE!!! Yep
    By starmanwarz Fri May 05, 2017 6:34 pm

    At about 6:15 minute mark he confirms that pitch shifting can't be done from the hardware YET and can only be done from the software...

    Hopefully it will be added in the NEAR future but releasing the STANDALONE mpc's without one of the most advertised features is beyond me...

    Who knows what else is left to be discovered.

    yeah see the whole point was to be able to do this out in the wild, Unless they clarify where they're going with this I don't need it as push 2 is beyond satisfying in this regard.
    the real question is is this half steppin a function of the development or the marketing cause since no other hardware beatmachine can do this they might have thought they could get away with it as most mpc users weren't looking for this.... it's the people who don't only use an mpc that were looking for this.
    Akai better come and get some of this BDK

  • MichaelLawrenceMichaelLawrence

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @mireko_2 said:
    Anyway looks like BM3 is going to have it so I'll just rock that in the meantime

    I hope your faith in BM3 is contagious and that I catch it.

    lol. I want to get sick too.

  • WillWill

    @kobamoto said:
    I was already bummed about not having as good a midi implementation as on the 2500/1000

    I hadn't read/seen/heard this. What's lacking in comparison, MIDI wise?

  • Jose_BeeJose_Bee

    My Mv8800 realtime time stetch

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @kobamoto said:

    @Dubbylabby said:
    >

    I will love to see a reduced ToRaiz sampler (sp-8) or new SP-888/555mk2... something simple for slicing and warping. Boutique Variphrase!

    I still have hope for the Mysterious Roland...

    Boutique variphrase though, count me in for that , isn't it amazing some of the technology these companies are just sitting on?

    I saw yesterday a Fantom x6 for less than 600€ and start drooling... vsynth xt revision will be a winner...

    @mireko_2 said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @Dubbylabby said:
    >

    I will love to see a reduced ToRaiz sampler (sp-8) or new SP-888/555mk2... something simple for slicing and warping. Boutique Variphrase!

    I still have hope for the Mysterious Roland...

    Boutique variphrase though, count me in for that , isn't it amazing some of the technology these companies are just sitting on?

    I still have my vp900, variphrase is a lot of fun :smile:

    Variphrase technology is one of the most underrated (and expensive) techs from Roland group. I hope they bring somekind of Aira sampler, boutique mv/vsynth or just die in horrible pain for hide that technology with the 99% of vc2 cards in some dark basement somewhere.

    Pd: I miss my 3 variOS and my vc cards and sometimes the Sp555...

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @kobamoto said:
    it's a little janky, the quality of the time stretch doesn't sound that great, also I thought pioneer would do allot better on the fx so I was looking forward to great pioneer fx combined with dave smith filters and crazy sample editing and sequencing but having all of those things the quality isn't there... I think the pioneer multi fx app on the iPad sounds better than the fx in the beat machine......................but
    it has this character to it that I like, I just haven't been able to fine one at a price I'm willing to pay yet, it's crazy what they are charging for that thing new.... I'm waiting for crackhead prices on craigslist lol

    https://www.pioneerdj.com/en-us/news/2016/planned-updates-to-toraiz-sp-16-from-november-2016/

  • kobamotokobamoto

    @syrupcore said:

    @kobamoto said:
    I was already bummed about not having as good a midi implementation as on the 2500/1000

    I hadn't read/seen/heard this. What's lacking in comparison, MIDI wise?

    stuff like no custom midi note assignment, no sysex dumps, event editor etc..
    some stuff has work arounds, weird ones like even though you can't assign custom midi notes in stand alone you can build build a custom midi note template in the software and load that into the hardware unit haha... I don't know, I was pissed when I heard that stuff from mireko... I called my dealer to cancel and he wasn't available.. I'm kind of glad now that I've calmed down... I think at this point it's best to just get the thing and see if the pros outweigh the cons for my workflow cause while it doesn't have the main feature I and mireko were looking for it does do allot of other stuff that nothing else can do that I'm interested in as well, and there is still a chance that feature will come later.. Most importantly though is to put my hands on it cause really that's the best way to do it imho.

  • kobamotokobamoto
    edited May 2017

    @5pinlink said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @syrupcore said:

    @5pinlink said:
    Why did they make the software iLok ?

    Please tell me this isn't the case to use it on the akai hardware.

    this isn't the case.

    Depends what you mean, if you mean using the software on the computer with Akai hardware attached, then yes you need iLok, but there is no iLok install on the hardware for standalone use.

    that's what I thought he meant.

    this thread is a nice read

    https://www.elektronauts.com/t/mpc-live-mpc-x/32978/836

    http://6be54c364949b623a3c0-4409a68c214f3a9eeca8d0265e9266c0.r0.cf2.rackcdn.com/1687/documents/MPC Live - User Guide - v1.0.pdf

  • mireko_2mireko_2

    @kobamoto
    Hey I'm sure it will be great fun anyway, I'm just going to wait it out until that feature is added and see how the whole thing pans out.

  • lukesleepwalkerlukesleepwalker

    @mireko_2 said:
    see how the whole thing pans out.

    Pans out. Oh, what an appropriate term to use.

  • mireko_2mireko_2

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @mireko_2 said:
    see how the whole thing pans out.

    Pans out. Oh, what an appropriate term to use.

    ;)

  • kobamotokobamoto

    :)

  • kobamotokobamoto

    yeah.. I'm prob just lookin for an excuse to get the digitakt hahaha

  • WillWill

    So it is a USB Host (awesome!) but you can't do direct USB MIDI from it? Considering the X has CV out, this feels like a big omission. I gather you can plug a USB midi interface into it but it means any devices that are USB midi only (iPad, op-1...) need conversion.

    Wonder if it works with the iConnect devices since it's a computer.

  • mireko_2mireko_2

    Oh dear, reports of OS crashing while adjusting timestretch on the Live. Like full reboot crashes

  • kobamotokobamoto

    where are those reports from?

  • mireko_2mireko_2

    From a user on the mpc forums

  • mireko_2mireko_2

    Also apparently a big update next week as Akai is asking some resellers to hold stock for a week

  • mireko_2mireko_2

    All this is normal Akai though

  • kobamotokobamoto

    @mireko_2 said:
    Also apparently a big update next week as Akai is asking some resellers to hold stock for a week

    you mean hold stock of the mpc live?

  • kobamotokobamoto

    any info on what the update addresses?

  • mireko_2mireko_2

    No info on the updates, I'm just relaying info from mpc forum

  • kobamotokobamoto

    got'cha.. thanks

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