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Akai's new standalone MPC looks awesome

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  • edited May 2017

    @noodldoodl said:
    Ok, I'ma gonna come straight out and just say it. I don't like hip hop. Do I still need an MPC Live?

    Even for HipHop you don't but even for Rock someone surely wants. It's suited towards electronic genres and actually we have lots of options than back in the day weren't so... a matter of taste/workflow.

  • edited May 2017

    @syrupcore said:
    But at $1200 you might think of it as having two SL1200s and nice DJ mixer with effects when all you want to do is play a record. Sure, it can play records but...

    for sure, I think his comment expressed more concern for a genre than for the instrument, I just wanted him to know that the instrument couldn't produce hiphop music on its own, and that he need not have to worry because that was something the user has to add at their own discretion.

  • edited May 2017

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  • Anyone found a good video of someone doing plain old multi-track recording on the thing? I'm still a little confused about linear audio tracks work along with sequences. Is it possible to have, say, a 100 bar audio track that plays over top of changing sequences or does each audio track need to be contained with a single sequence?

  • I'll be honest and say I've pre-ordered Digitakt because its entire soul, ie sequencer, p-locks, sample locks, trig conditions and the ability to lose yourself down the rabbit hole pull me in more than the Akai; it wanting to be Ableton in a box, with that screen and grid layout. But if you mention MPC to me I'm immediately seeing visions of hip hop apostles doing their thang...never thought this was first and foremost a 'rock' machine. Whatever your definition of rock is.

    I see this MPC and think we already have apps that do all of this already, on iPad. Nothing new here. So what, it's battery powered. For most of us it'll still sit on the same desk as your Mac or PC's peripherals, so why not just use Ableton instead, while you're sat in the same seat?

    No offence intended to anyone interested in hip hop. I'm being slightly disingenuous, in so much I don't hate all hip hop. De La Soul for the win. Still have (and cherish) 3 Feet High and Rising on cassette.

  • @syrupcore
    Unfortunately the audio tracks are tied to each seq.

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  • @mireko_2 said:
    @syrupcore
    Unfortunately the audio tracks are tied to each seq.

    That's a bummer but sort of what I expected. Guess takes can be chopped up.

  • edited May 2017

    "Yes, each mono input can be routed to a different track with up to 4 insert effects for just that track. Those each use up an audio track, of the 8 total per sequence. Just set monitor to on."

  • Masada does a video of recording a vocal track in the studio

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  • @Jose_Bee said:
    Masada does a video of recording a vocal track in the studio

    The workaround is that you can merge all the seq to a single song and record the audio tracks onto the full song.

  • once they add timestretch to drum programs I will buy one, i'm not really interested in the clip launch mode. hope they deliver on that promised feature

  • @mireko_2 said:

    @Jose_Bee said:
    Masada does a video of recording a vocal track in the studio

    The workaround is that you can merge all the seq to a single song and record the audio tracks onto the full song.

    yep, that midi merge is a nice feature to have, all the way back down the line. there are some nice little tricks in this box, what I like most of all though is the combination and integration of all the nice features with each other cause having features like these wouldn't mean much if you had to run around like a chicken with your head cut off to get them all to work together fluidly, that would be no fun.

  • @kobamoto said:

    yep, that midi merge is a nice feature to have, all the way back down the line. there are some nice little tricks in this box, what I like most of all though is the combination and integration of all the nice features with each other cause having features like these wouldn't mean much if you had to run around like a chicken with your head cut off to get them all to work together fluidly, that would be no fun.

    But when you do that, it seems that you're locked into a single BPM of the resulting, single sequence. If you had different BPM's per sequence, the result of MIDI Merge seems to be a cluster**** of misplaced notes.

    Any way around that?

  • since the convert feature won't preserve the bpms, I would just convert the sequences I needed to convert with like bpms and then instead of using convert on the final, use song mode which will preserve the bpms when you string them together

  • @kobamoto said:
    since the convert feature won't preserve the bpms, I would just convert the sequences I needed to convert with like bpms and then instead of using convert on the final, use song mode which will preserve the bpms when you string them together

    So, in other words, convert sequences of like BPM, then arrange in song mode, then export that to an audio file, and load as audio track in new project to add full-length vocal track(s)?

  • and at least the audio tracks have punch in and out right?

  • @kobamoto said:
    and at least the audio tracks have punch in and out right?

    Yeah. I'm sorry to say there doesn't seem to be any kind of "takes" option, nor overdubbing on audio tracks. If you want to do another take, it's either A) a new audio track, or B) erase and re-record.

    I believe Akai has hinted at quick improvements to A-track limits and overall features in the pipe.

  • it's an ambitious project for sure. I'm not usually the type to say no to any features but I am a little concerned because right now it looks like an instrument to me, but if they do say yes to everything that could change. I've been seeing them give allot of thumbs ups to feature request, more than I've seen any developer in a long time, it's exciting and weird at the same time cause there are pros and cons... I just want them to put the beatmachine aspects first I guess. For someone like you who makes dope ass beats on the op-1 the Live must be like a playground

  • what's the biggest limitation you came up against so far?

  • The thing is that the OP-1's limitations are married to an incredibly elegant workflow. Once you master it, it truly IS an instrument. You PERFORM loops. You perform everything.

    The MPC used to be that way... I feel like it's already beyond that now, with the software (since the Ren), but only in terms of what's possible. None of that is missing, if that's all you're looking for. Personally, I want it to be a self-contained studio. I mean, the addition of the audio tracks (the 8 in standalone) have already proved very useful to me for playing in live AniMoog. Sure, it's bare bones... but so is the OP-1's "tape". And you know how I feel about that!!

  • Question for those who have it: if you have a sequence that is set to 8 bars and you record an audio track, does it automatically stop recording at 8 bars? Or can you record (say) 32 bars while it loops? (Even if only 8 bars can play back within the sequence).

  • I wondered about that too. If you send an audio track out to external effects then back in to another audio track, there might be a moment of silence at the beginning due to DA AD latency, thus cutting off a moment early at the end, leading to a slightly short loop. That would be extremely annoying. I really hope that's not the case because I'd be using the audio tracks in that way often.

  • to add to syrup/hands question I'd like to know in which cases one would rather use the looper in the mpc live instead of the audio tracks for doing audio track work?

  • edited May 2017

    @Icepulse said:
    The thing is that the OP-1's limitations are married to an incredibly elegant workflow. Once you master it, it truly IS an instrument. You PERFORM loops. You perform everything.

    The MPC used to be that way... I feel like it's already beyond that now, with the software (since the Ren), but only in terms of what's possible. None of that is missing, if that's all you're looking for. Personally, I want it to be a self-contained studio. I mean, the addition of the audio tracks (the 8 in standalone) have already proved very useful to me for playing in live AniMoog. Sure, it's bare bones... but so is the OP-1's "tape". And you know how I feel about that!!

    I wouldn't mind if it was a complete self contained studio if they could keep the beatmachine at the forefront of my view, I'm just sensitive F about beat machines... it's like bm2 has all of these great features but I never felt like making music in it cause it felt like opening up a daw, and I love daws for 'recording'... I hate daws for making music, don't want to feel like I'm writing in one. So far from all the videos I've seen the mpcL is looking pretty damn good. it's just scary how open akai is being... they are open to adding stuff like patternings probability and other incredible features in the future. We've just never had a stand alone beatmachine like this before it's nuts

  • @kobamoto said:
    to add to syrup/hands question I'd like to know in which cases one would rather use the looper in the mpc live instead of the audio tracks for doing audio track work?

    I'm definitely interested to see the Looper in real-world action as well. I'm pretty sure I'd want to use the looper when I want overdubbed audio. Like keeping the MIDI recorder in overdub mode. But if I have a basic 8 bar sequence going and want to record a two verses of vocals, I'll want an audio track for that.

    I like that looper has an 'export to sample' (and pad) feature but I'd really like something that automatically put each looped overdub on its own pad. That way you could, for instance, build up a single looper loop with 10 overdubs in real time and then instantly have each overdub available on its own pad. Change the mix, edit a flub from one layer, reverse some layers... Loopy has spoiled me with its 'stop and record next' action.

    It seems, operationally, fairly similar to just sampling, but I'd also like to see 'looper' become an easy to choose sampling option. Mainly for when musicians want to sample themselves playing in time with an existing sequence with quick access to 'sync', overdub, undo and bars relative record times.

  • yes yes yes that would be insane, that would add so much value to the box.... if they did that they might as well allow audio track takes to automatically record themselves to pads as well, they've already got punch in/out recording

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