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I was very wary and didn't do it. It's just not worth saving $25. Besides I really want to hear more about Korg Gadget for Mac before purchasing it anyways.
Geez, I had only just made a KVR forum account today after lurking for years.
Ok back to the regularly scheduled program...
potential bug? when link is on and i start up an existing project either on the phone or the iPad the tempo defaults to 120. was trying to figure out how i would have been so sloppy on a track that has audio (zurich), and then noticed that tempo was off. i turn link on and jump to other projects with different tempos and all is good.
I had a KVR account once, got banned, messy business. Better now.
After bouncing back and forth between using the gadgets directly in Ableton and using Gadget stand-alone, I had a great session with Gadget stand-alone tonight.
I still can't fucking figure out how to scroll up or down in the sequencer, but other than that, it was just a super-productive session.
I think this is going to be one of the most productive pieces of software I've bought since Ableton actually.
Out of curiosity, are the AUs AUv3 or oldschool AU2?
deleted, thought you were talking about iOS Gadget. nm
I just caved and bought the Mac version, downloading now :-)
I think Korg thought it through.
They could have not included iM1, Module, Lexington, etc, in the Mac version and sold them separately. I'm glad they didn't, as it probably would have created a higher overall cost for the Mac version, and I find it an easier decision to just pay the price for the whole bundle. Korg must think that does make the Mac version a more appealing buy to more potential customers, but who's to say?
The solution to the problem of not having the equivalent Gadgets in the iOS version is to either not use those Gadgets at all, or just add or substitute them in the Mac version after you're not going to take them back to mobile. Korg isn't a charity or non-profit organization. Expecting to pay a price to get full functionality seems perfectly reasonable to me.
I see what you mean now heh.
Korg tweeted that one of their Mac product specialists is going to have a live Q&A tomorrow to clear up some of the questions about Gadget for Mac. It said it's supposed to start at 2 PM tomorrow.
Yes I already did that. Used. a Marseille piano on iOS and then swapped it out for a piano from Module on Mac. It's a workaround I guess.
Upon first hearing about their plans, really thought that’s what they were going to do. Sell a very inexpensive DAW-like app for macOS, including a few Gadgets, and do a similar IAP or standalone for the others.
Well, they could always have done both. A full bundle at this price (300USD regular, 200USD intro) and a barebones version fully compatible with the barebones iOS version.
Another thing would have been to offer a discount for iOS users, to leverage the integration. After all, it’s not just about selling this one product. It’s clearly about a broader move in software.
Kinda kludgy, no? When the company focuses so much on the iOS/macOS integration, this type of workaround (on the musician’s part) is saying “you can have a seamless workflow but only if you keep track of which instrument you use on which platform”.
Apart from the price of the iOS apps, there’s the fact that at least one gadget (Darwin) isn’t available at all on iPhone.
Right. But the problem they face is in positioning different parts of their offering. Sure, they may sell a good number of licenses for Gadget on macOS (without Apple’s cut). It might even generate some goodwill for the company. Yet their strategy has made people rather ambivalent, including those of us who enjoy using their products.
With the “death by 1000 papercuts” aspect of the Gadget 3 release, it doesn’t sound like Korg suddenly improved their profile by leaps and bounds.
To be fair, iM1 isn't available on iPhone, but Darwin is.
Huh? How?
Oh!!!! “Remote Install”! Niiiice! Was so bummed about this. Almost didn’t buy iM1 because of that.
Now, it still restricts iM1 use to people who also have an iPad. But your point is well-taken.
And it wasn’t about complaining. My attitude towards Korg is basically ambivalence. They do cool things but they make strange decisions. Just like Apple.
I guess it's a matter of perspective. I can see that iOS has created purchasing expectations for some people that are different than mine. It's only "kludgy" if one doesn't want to pay for the functionality Korg is offering. Though I'm still getting familiar with the process, for what I see as a fair price, it's possible to create a pretty seamless workflow between mobile and desktop Gadget. OTOH, as I tried to point out, it's still possible to work with the two platforms without it being seamless.
Korg is selling seamlessness. They're offering some great discounts at the moment. One just has to decide if the price is worth paying. Looking at it from a more historical perspective, I'm amazed at what we get these days for the money.
Agreed.
Excellent!
Can get where you’re coming from but the kludge isn’t really about the payment.
It’d be a completely different situation if Korg were to start from scratch and say: “Here’s a complete solution for music making on both iOS and macOS. You can have it all for 500USD normal price, 200$ intro price on macOS and 150$ intro price on iOS.” No kludge.
But they tagged on a new system to their existing one. That, to me, is a kludge. A working solution to a problem with strange protrusions coming from previous attempts.
Not that it’s bad, per se. But it does generate some expectations.
Of course! And many of us have been doing that for quite a while. But that’s not what Korg is marketing. Their copy is very explicit as to the seamlessness. In terms of UX, you’d expect something that Apple can only dream of (say, Handoff or AirDrop working as planned).
Precisely.
Problem with that is that some costs are relatively hidden, especially the IAP. You can eventually make an informed decision after purchasing Gadget and looking at the IAP store. Individuals here have collated a pricelist for all the IAP but the unsuspecting purchaser of Gadget for macOS has no idea of how much it’ll all cost in the end.
Not that it’s particularly sneaky on Korg’s part. But it’s quite a different thing from, say, buying Adobe apps. Again, not saying one is better. Just talking about how these expectations might arise.
Interesting point. Did go through my mind while biting the bullet on iM1. Even accounting for the purchase of an iPad and an iPhone and not adjusting for inflation, the Darwin gadget remains much cheaper than the original M1. Same can be said about Lexington, Milpitas, as well as the Fairlight CMI or some of Moog Music’s current products.
At the same time, putting things in historical perspective might allow us to think about the current state of electronic music as a whole. The value of a given app is measured more directly by comparison to Ableton Live and Logic Pro X as it is by comparison to the Buchla or the Synclavier. Some of the money has shifted again to hardware like ROLI’s, Apple’s, Ableton’s, and Native Instruments’. But the “value of software” question remains a tricky one.
I gave it some thought and I won't be buying it, at least not at this stage. Gadget for Mac does look great on a big screen but does not have any new desktop-specific features that would make me wanna buy and use it instead of running it on my iPad utilising its amazing touchscreen.
I'm not interested in Gadget for Mac as a DAW but the Gadget Plugin Collection does look very interesting and tempting. What stops me from buying is that the collection includes only gadgets, not the full versions of iM1, ARP ODYSSEi, iWAVESTATION , etc. And the lack of demo version does not help either. Hopefully, this all will change in the future.
To be clear, I'm not saying it's a bad product not worth spending money on, not at all. Probably, it's just not for me
I'd agree, I've bought the Mac app but am feeling a lit> @DaveMagoo said:
The effects do not get transfered to Ableton. The only thing carried across from the mixer is volume and pan.
Yeah its just a dry signal which as long as you keep the channel fx simple in gadget you can then replace in ableton
Quick question, if I create a preset in iWavestation or iM1 app is there a way to open the patch up in Gadget? I've create a patch in an empty slot but it's not appearing.
Got it working now
Korg added a Gadget for Mac FAQ
They also created a playlist for all the gadgets and iaps
Another option is to freeze the audio from the gadgets on Mac and then load the audio into Zurich......then at east you can use the same sound, no editing of individual notes though. i guess it depends on what you are wanting to edit as to which method is nest for you.
That's a good workaround I guess
Why does this app "require" an internet collection? Is it just for downloading samples or is it copy protection?
i.e: does it expect to always be connected or just at the first start-up?
Resurrecting this thread in the hopes of asking those who've braved the Mac version of Gadget:
1: in a general sense do you like it and,
2: does using the Mac version make you feel even more "fluent" with Gadget?
I've found that in shared OS X / iOS cases that I do in fact get a deeper understanding / faster workflow of both versions (i.e.: Egoist, S_nV_x, etc)
I got it for Mac and love it. In my opinion the workflow is faster and still has the same fun Gadget feel. The way you can copy scenes from one instrument to another just by dragging it over is great. The iCloud sync across devices works like a charm. Just waiting for the update that includes the Milpitas/Wavestation Gadget. Also being able to use the gadgets as AU/VST instruments and the two new vocal gadgets as AU/VST effects in other Daws is a nice addition. Well worth the plunge in my opinion. Especially if you use Ableton. I am very happy with it. Get it if you can.
A couple of questions:
Is the AU/Vst version of Odyssei comparable to the standalone, or do you only get (the somewhat crippled) Lexington? Same question about iM1/Darwin.
And if you do get the full versions: Is the MIDI implementation any better than the IOS verisons? Is MIDI sync and channel selection working?
@VerbaLee thanks much man that's useful intel.
That was then, this is now. What's the verdict on Gadget macOS? If you've also got it for iOS, do you use both, mostly iOS, mostly macOS, what?