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OT: Which synth for £300

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  • Or get a Novation Launchkey controller keyboard and play your iPad synths.

  • Or get a Novation Launchkey and a second hand looper pedal. Play lines and build em up. Play your guitar. And use your other gear too. One man band @AndyPlankton

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:
    Or get a Novation Launchkey controller keyboard and play your iPad synths.

    I've already got a remote 25 that I do that with, I am trying to offload the processing for sound from the iPad and keep it for audio loops/sequencing with the sound sources external.
    I have a 'thing' in my head that I want each bit of physical gear able to be used on its own if I want to so I only need to find 1 plug socket if I wanna bugger off somewhere, or so that I can just get that bit of kit on my lap and mess about without the distraction of other kit or the iPad.

  • Or get another iPad lol

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:
    Or get a Novation Launchkey and a second hand looper pedal. Play lines and build em up. Play your guitar. And use your other gear too. One man band @AndyPlankton

    The looping of MIDI and / or Audio is what I am using the ipad for, either pre-rendered loops form the softsynths / apps...or live recorded audio using loopy (I havent actually tried the live recording with loopy bit yet)

  • So here's my hot sports opinion:

    The Microbrute is meh. I don't see what the hype is all about. I got one a year or so ago secondhand for about 200 bucks. Other than being a good, hands-on self-instructional tool for helping a dumbass like me learn a little something about synthesis, I just don't think the thing sounds that great. I never sell anything, but I'm really on the fence about this thing, cause every time I take it out for a spin, I end up thinking "meh."

    So now I'm toying with picking up an effect box or something, to make it sound less meh. Which kinda burns me, cause why in the Sam Hill do ya need to pretty up a hardware synth with an effect box just to make it sound not meh?

    The grain of salt you need to take this with is that I am indeed a dumbass, so the meh results I'm getting may be my own damn fault.

    Anyways, good luck. And happy 50th- I ain't too far behind ya.

  • edited January 2017

    Get one of these second hand

  • edited January 2017

    I'm a really big fan of my Microbrute, paired with a Korg SQ1 step sequencer. The BS2 is very feature-rich, but to my taste its sound is a bit generic whereas the MB is full of distinctive character.

    Check out the Liquid Limbs videos on Youtube to see the breadth of sounds you can coax out of this thing.

    Edit..

  • @brambos said:
    I'm a really big fan of my Microbrute, paired with a Korg SQ1 step sequencer. The BS2 is very feature-rich, but to my taste its sound is a bit generic whereas the MB is full of distinctive character.

    Check out the Liquid Limbs videos on Youtube to see the breadth of sounds you can coax out of this thing.

    Right out the gate I see I need to get another one o those orange cord thingies...

  • @RulesOfBlazon said:

    @brambos said:
    I'm a really big fan of my Microbrute, paired with a Korg SQ1 step sequencer. The BS2 is very feature-rich, but to my taste its sound is a bit generic whereas the MB is full of distinctive character.

    Check out the Liquid Limbs videos on Youtube to see the breadth of sounds you can coax out of this thing.

    Right out the gate I see I need to get another one o those orange cord thingies...

    Yes, there's a lot of wicked voodoo magic is in the patch matrix.

  • A long time ago last century I bought a BassStation Rack, when they first came out. It was very useful, and I even found a bug in the firmware that Novation bug fixed for me by sending me a new eprom (it was a very new product so probably didn't affect many units before they caught it for all the others too).
    I ended up using the BSRack for almost everything I did, and used the CV/Gate channels to drive various of my other synths too. It was very good, and so good that it kind of disappeared into the overall sound of the songs I was making at the time, becoming almost routine. That's a complement by the way. It didn't stick out like a dick in pyjamas, it didn't 'not fit', and it didn't cause any problems or irritations. It just did the job, so I didn't have to pay a lot of attention to it. That's a good thing, I reckon.

    Plus, I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting a bit fed up with synthesisers. They all sound the bloody same, don't they? Most actual real songs aren't comprised of 100% buzzy wowing throbbing crunching synthetic sounds, and even those bands that were 100% synthetic in the beginning weren't by the end of it. I think I only need one synth. Two is too many.

  • @brambos said:

    Yes, there's a lot of wicked voodoo magic is in the patch matrix.

    Evidently. And just by syncing the thing to something else, it changes the way you hear its sound. Thanks much for the tip on those vids- gonna watch em more closely later and then maybe give the thing another shot before blowing more cash on an effects box!

  • @u0421793 said:
    A long time ago last century I bought a BassStation Rack, when they first came out. It was very useful, and I even found a bug in the firmware that Novation bug fixed for me by sending me a new eprom (it was a very new product so probably didn't affect many units before they caught it for all the others too).
    I ended up using the BSRack for almost everything I did, and used the CV/Gate channels to drive various of my other synths too. It was very good, and so good that it kind of disappeared into the overall sound of the songs I was making at the time, becoming almost routine. That's a complement by the way. It didn't stick out like a dick in pyjamas, it didn't 'not fit', and it didn't cause any problems or irritations. It just did the job, so I didn't have to pay a lot of attention to it. That's a good thing, I reckon.

    Plus, I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting a bit fed up with synthesisers. They all sound the bloody same, don't they? Most actual real songs aren't comprised of 100% buzzy wowing throbbing crunching synthetic sounds, and even those bands that were 100% synthetic in the beginning weren't by the end of it. I think I only need one synth. Two is too many.

    Where I wouldn't agree one synth is ideal for all instances, I agree with the basic premise. We all get too into the trap of looking for something new in a synth. One decent synth will pretty much do all most people want, if they actually take the time to really get to grips with it. Yeah there are odd instances of things you may need a certain synth for, but very few get deeply into one synth as many bands used to.

    Think of many of the lead sounds from the Eighties. They were often very simple sounds. They stood out when needed by using fx and making sure they were in the track right. I do believe much of modern day music is ruined by having way too complex mixes.

    So that's why I make such a big emphasis here on trying out the synth. You can pretty much get great sounds from any of the synths mentioned here, but one synth may just physically feel right and have the features you want, another may not.

  • I have just ordered a Monologue- can't wait.I previously thought about a Microbrute- but was put off by a fair amount of chat on their forum about the poor support- and in particular a (still unresolved) issue with the sequencer.

  • @u0421793 said:

    I think I only need one synth. Two is too many.

    Blasphemy!

  • edited January 2017

    @u0421793 said:
    A long time ago last century I bought a BassStation Rack, when they first came out. It was very useful, and I even found a bug in the firmware that Novation bug fixed for me by sending me a new eprom (it was a very new product so probably didn't affect many units before they caught it for all the others too).
    I ended up using the BSRack for almost everything I did, and used the CV/Gate channels to drive various of my other synths too. It was very good, and so good that it kind of disappeared into the overall sound of the songs I was making at the time, becoming almost routine. That's a complement by the way. It didn't stick out like a dick in pyjamas, it didn't 'not fit', and it didn't cause any problems or irritations. It just did the job, so I didn't have to pay a lot of attention to it. That's a good thing, I reckon.

    Plus, I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting a bit fed up with synthesisers. They all sound the bloody same, don't they? Most actual real songs aren't comprised of 100% buzzy wowing throbbing crunching synthetic sounds, and even those bands that were 100% synthetic in the beginning weren't by the end of it. I think I only need one synth. Two is too many.

    I used to own the original BS keyboard, lovely little machine so immediate and hands on and I totally get what you are saying about it just fitting in.

    It didn't stick out like a dick in pyjamas

    My nomination for quote of the day :)

    I am looking for something to give me that same feeling of being involved rather than being controlled......
    I have the Circuit, and the synths are capable of a very wide range of sounds, but having to use an editor to get to the controls means that I don't play with the sounds as much as I perhaps should, also having the pads instead of keys means I play it differently. With the iOS synths it is the same problem with the controls, the screen is just not the same as knobs, buttons and faders. Some work well with controllers (iMS-20 with the dedicated USB controller for one, and Bram's Troublemaker with NanoKontrol2 or Remote 25) but this is because there are enough controls on the controller and not enough controls to make you forget what is what, with other synths I am always having to look for which control I want or touching the screen nervously in order to not disturb what i don't want to.

    So I want a synth that I can give me the immediacy I want when just jamming and making stuff up....but I don't want to lose the sound or have to write stuff down (patch sheets/templates) in order to get them back (although the sounds I am hearing in the Microbrute vids are making me want to accept this as a necessary evil).

    Currently I am still divided between BassStation II and MicroBrute, the Korg Monologue is still in the running but from what I have heard so far just doesn't sound gritty enough for me (but most of the vids are just reviews as no one really has their hands on it yet in order to get the more 'extreme' useage on vid yet.)

  • @brambos said:
    I'm a really big fan of my Microbrute, paired with a Korg SQ1 step sequencer. The BS2 is very feature-rich, but to my taste its sound is a bit generic whereas the MB is full of distinctive character.

    So when are we gonna see Brutemaker ;)

  • @AndyPlankton said:

    @vpich said:
    i would say bassstation out of those 2. i had the microbrute and liked it (sold it when i cleaned up a lot of gear i wasn't using that much). but main thing, for live you will benefit from the patch saving on the bassstation. pull up a new sound for any song. the microbrute is pretty quick to program but i would not want any more moving parts on stage. even at home i would normally not stray too far from a sound i liked, just due to laziness.

    Yes, these are the main reasons why the difficulty, Excellent sound with ease of use vs awesome sound with not so ease of use

    plus i wouldn't necessarily say the microbrute's raw sound is better. it's distinctive but not like super great. i have only messed with the bass station in a store, with headphones, and it sounded pretty great. and very versatile. also regular size keys and aftertouch if i remember correctly. system 1 is in price ballpark and the sh101 plugin is great. feel is wierd, shallow keybed but fx and cool live options.

  • @vpich said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @vpich said:
    i would say bassstation out of those 2. i had the microbrute and liked it (sold it when i cleaned up a lot of gear i wasn't using that much). but main thing, for live you will benefit from the patch saving on the bassstation. pull up a new sound for any song. the microbrute is pretty quick to program but i would not want any more moving parts on stage. even at home i would normally not stray too far from a sound i liked, just due to laziness.

    Yes, these are the main reasons why the difficulty, Excellent sound with ease of use vs awesome sound with not so ease of use

    plus i wouldn't necessarily say the microbrute's raw sound is better. it's distinctive but not like super great. i have only messed with the bass station in a store, with headphones, and it sounded pretty great. and very versatile. also regular size keys and aftertouch if i remember correctly. system 1 is in price ballpark and the sh101 plugin is great. feel is wierd, shallow keybed but fx and cool live options.

    Thanks for the re-assurance re sound quality...and yes I guess that distinctiveness from the Microbrute could become stale after a while if used all the time.
    With regard to System 1, I'll check it out, but i was really after something I didn't already have.....I've already got Circuit which does analogue modelling and wavetable synthesis....and the iPad which has all sorts of synthesis types.....what I don't have is a true analogue synth.

  • @AndyPlankton said:
    I have a budget of £300 to buy a 50th Birthday present..... Currently looking at BassStation II and Microbrute, am very torn between the two, does anyone have any hands on with either of these, or perhaps something else within the budget.

    I've had both for a couple years. The mB is more distinctive, the BS2 more versatile. I'll let you compare features yourself, but for me the BS2 is a bread-and-butter synth that can do everything except polyphony. It also has a much better keybed: not just bigger, with aftertouch (which I don't use), but pleasant to play on. I like the knobs and sliders on both machines, but the mB's keybed feels like a cheap toy. Of course, if you get the mB and it's the only analogue you have, you'll use it in all sorts of ways and have fun doing it. I don't have strong regret over buying the mB, but I find myself thinking of more satisfying ways I could have spent that money, which I don't about the BS2.

    Here's the BS2 group on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/bstation2. There's not a lot of activity, but Jamie Morden has contributed some patch banks that are worth downloading. To become a member, you need to answer a question about your interest in this synth. The moderator (me) is not looking for a specific answer or secret handshake, but some answer is required.

  • How about tap shoes. They are portable. Unique sound. Self contained. :)

  • @AndyPlankton said:

    @vpich said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @vpich said:
    i would say bassstation out of those 2. i had the microbrute and liked it (sold it when i cleaned up a lot of gear i wasn't using that much). but main thing, for live you will benefit from the patch saving on the bassstation. pull up a new sound for any song. the microbrute is pretty quick to program but i would not want any more moving parts on stage. even at home i would normally not stray too far from a sound i liked, just due to laziness.

    Yes, these are the main reasons why the difficulty, Excellent sound with ease of use vs awesome sound with not so ease of use

    plus i wouldn't necessarily say the microbrute's raw sound is better. it's distinctive but not like super great. i have only messed with the bass station in a store, with headphones, and it sounded pretty great. and very versatile. also regular size keys and aftertouch if i remember correctly. system 1 is in price ballpark and the sh101 plugin is great. feel is wierd, shallow keybed but fx and cool live options.

    Thanks for the re-assurance re sound quality...and yes I guess that distinctiveness from the Microbrute could become stale after a while if used all the time.
    With regard to System 1, I'll check it out, but i was really after something I didn't already have.....I've already got Circuit which does analogue modelling and wavetable synthesis....and the iPad which has all sorts of synthesis types.....what I don't have is a true analogue synth.

    well, if anything my entry into the ios world has taken me farther from "analog is better". i recently sold about 5 of my synths because i hardly touched them. i have young kids and don't have time to be in the studio, but when i hook up ioddesei and model 15 and bram stuff, etc to a good controller and a/b them with hardware synths i don't feel i am missing much if anything, certainly not in a mix. still have some analog stuff but....

  • I have a minibrute and i really dig it. Microbrute sounds pretty much the same, but the build is cheaper(especially compared to the SE model of minibrute that i have) and keys are smaller/worse. Minibrute also has midi in and out(micro only has in) ports(im pretty sure micro handles both ways over usb), which might be useful for playing ios synths.

    I think bass station has more generic sound to it, while mini/microbrute has more of a character to its tone, which you may or may not like more.

    One warning about the brute i have heard some people say on interwebs and i have noticed as well, while the brute sounds awesome, its tonal characteristics might have hard time fitting into some music. Ofc since(or if?) you run its sound through ipad and put some effects, eq, compressor etc(or just apps like tonestack or bias fx) on it, you can make it fit easier.

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:
    How about tap shoes. They are portable. Unique sound. Self contained. :)

    Far too much energy required for that :D

  • @AndyPlankton said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    How about tap shoes. They are portable. Unique sound. Self contained. :)

    Far too much energy required for that :D

    O there's no pleasing you lol

  • edited January 2017

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    How about tap shoes. They are portable. Unique sound. Self contained. :)

    Far too much energy required for that :D

    O there's no pleasing you lol

    Thats why i'm looking at synths with a step sequencer so I have the option to leave it to play itself while I kick back and relax
    ERM I mean, while I pick up the guitar and play :D

  • edited January 2017

    @5pinlink said:
    Buy something vintage, if you get bored you get your money back +

    Probably not in my budget, not in working order anyway :|

    Although the first commercially available Moog Modulars came out in 1967.....year of my birth so it would be fitting I guess :D

  • edited January 2017

    been looking at the 0coast myself. might be a bit too many $$ ? or the type you're looking for.

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