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GarageBand and Logic Pro Update

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  • Too bad Gar(b)ageBand doesn't have proper editors for the data it can record.

    I mean Apple should at least provide developers and other users a host that does full AUv3 automation with proper automation editors to boot. (There is not even a way to edit recorded pitch and mod-wheel data but for some strange reason sustain-pedal can be edited). Apple could have given some band-aid to Alchemy users by allowing it to be used as AUv3 Plug-In with other hosts...

    Oh well, I think we'll see plenty of other updates in the coming days...

  • @Hmtx said:

    @mister_rz said:
    Does anyone know if this runs on ios 9? Can't find it in my update list, do the old alchemy libraries load?

    Requires 10.2

    :'( For alchemy I will update reluctantly, on the bright side I might get a bit of space back, thanks @Hmtx.

  • This is just a few tweaks away from being something i would use all the time, but its free so i cant complain. Im considering keeping it and using it to sketch tracks to be loaded into LPX where i can change the tuning, but it takes up loads of space..

  • Crashed, deleted... there was stillOpenbutton in stire interface but on the screen it was Loading. So it works now

  • edited January 2017

    @Samu said:
    Too bad Gar(b)ageBand doesn't have proper editors for the data it can record.

    >
    Weird. Samu, I don't think I've ever heard you disparage a single app out of hand. You're a fierce critic, but a scrupulously fair one. And yet you call this remarkable and elegant (and free) app garbage. Because they won't allow the beloved Alchemy to be used freely in other software? You definitely have a longer history than I do. But I don't understand the enmity.
    EDIT: Not criticizing or attacking. Just trying to understand the emotion behind the post.

  • Wow, some exciting stuff. I might be taking a break from Auria for a while.

  • @jrjulius said:
    Apparently GB iOS just got Alchemy, and you can now work back and forth between GB and LPX. Can't confirm until I get home but:

    http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/18/14312428/apple-garage-band-ios-logic-pro-x-music-software-updates

    From theverge article: "There’s also the ability to now record stuff in both apps and share it between the two via iCloud. Before, you could import a GarageBand file into Logic Pro, but you couldn’t get a Logic project into GarageBand. The updated software lets you work on tracks and add things on your iOS device (if you’re in transit, or offline) and then import it back to Logic Pro on Mac later on."

    I wonder does this mean we can now import tracks from Logic into GB on IOS now? That would be tremendous!

  • @ExAsperis99 said:

    @Samu said:
    Too bad Gar(b)ageBand doesn't have proper editors for the data it can record.

    >
    Weird. Samu, I don't think I've ever heard you disparage a single app out of hand. You're a fierce critic, but a scrupulously fair one. And yet you call this remarkable and elegant (and free) app garbage. Because they won't allow the beloved Alchemy to be used freely in other software? You definitely have a longer history than I do. But I don't understand the enmity.
    EDIT: Not criticizing or attacking. Just trying to understand the emotion behind the post.

    Fair.

  • @Samu said:
    Too bad Gar(b)ageBand doesn't have proper editors for the data it can record.

    I get that there are limitations in Garageband that are frustrating for some users, but to call it garbage is more than a little unfair.

  • @ExAsperis99 said:

    >

    EDIT: Not criticizing or attacking. Just trying to understand the emotion behind the post.

    It's ok, I've been with iOS Garageband since the beginning and it shines in many areas, no doubt about that but editing recorded notes and controllers ain't one.

    There are however some areas in the app that put me off that have yet not gotten any attention since the initial launch, there in lies part of the frustration.

    Thankfully the AUv3 bug that was present in previous versions seems to have been fixed now (When an AUv3 plug-in contained more than 96 parameters it made Garageband crash like crazy if additional plug-ins were loaded).

    I'll keep Garageband on my iPad for quite some time to come. The quality of the included sounds is worth the space it takes :)

  • @excesseye said:

    @Samu said:
    Too bad Gar(b)ageBand doesn't have proper editors for the data it can record.

    I get that there are limitations in Garageband that are frustrating for some users, but to call it garbage is more than a little unfair.

    Point taken.

    It's just too good name for 'wordplay' and word-related jokes are very common in Gothenburg/Sweden where I live.

  • I'm curious now. Previously, GarageBand used up 1.2 gb and with Alchemy it only takes up 1.3 gb. Are Alchemy soundbanks a separate download or do they only provide 100 mb of samples?

    I'm not complaining. I have a 16 gb iPad, which has been tough to manage but it was a gift so I can't complain. But 100 mb seems downright incorrect compared to the 20-ish gigabytes of Alchemy samples in LPX.

  • edited January 2017

    When the Alchemy excitement dies down, let's talk about

    "Multi- take Recording" :o

    I know that will be a welcome feature for many

  • @jrjulius said:
    I'm curious now. Previously, GarageBand used up 1.2 gb and with Alchemy it only takes up 1.3 gb. Are Alchemy soundbanks a separate download or do they only provide 100 mb of samples?

    I'm not complaining. I have a 16 gb iPad, which has been tough to manage but it was a gift so I can't complain. But 100 mb seems downright incorrect compared to the 20-ish gigabytes of Alchemy samples in LPX.

    That's good to know, I was worried the Alchemy stuff would eat up my disk space.

  • edited January 2017

    @jrjulius said:
    I'm curious now. Previously, GarageBand used up 1.2 gb and with Alchemy it only takes up 1.3 gb. Are Alchemy soundbanks a separate download or do they only provide 100 mb of samples?

    I'm not complaining. I have a 16 gb iPad, which has been tough to manage but it was a gift so I can't complain. But 100 mb seems downright incorrect compared to the 20-ish gigabytes of Alchemy samples in LPX.

    Garageband includes 150 'Alchemy Patches' so it's not the full Alchemy install you get with LPX on the desktop.
    I've not dug in the the IPA package yet but 100MB samples for 150 Alchemy patches seems reasonable.

    Did some digging...
    The 'AlchemyLibraries' inside Garageband is ~14MB and 'Alchemy Samples' is ~122MB includes all the waves and 'raw' waves.

  • The MIDI clock sync works nicely! And I really like the little UI touches that make many 'advanced features' much more accessible.

    This is a solid upgrade.

  • @Samu said:

    @jrjulius said:
    I'm curious now. Previously, GarageBand used up 1.2 gb and with Alchemy it only takes up 1.3 gb. Are Alchemy soundbanks a separate download or do they only provide 100 mb of samples?

    I'm not complaining. I have a 16 gb iPad, which has been tough to manage but it was a gift so I can't complain. But 100 mb seems downright incorrect compared to the 20-ish gigabytes of Alchemy samples in LPX.

    Garageband includes 150 'Alchemy Patches' so it's not the full Alchemy install you get with LPX on the desktop.
    I've not dug in the the IPA package yet but 100MB samples for 150 Alchemy patches seems reasonable.

    Did some digging...
    The 'AlchemyLibraries' inside Garageband is ~14MB and includes all the waves and 'raw' waves.

    Cool thanks!

  • @jrjulius said:

    @Samu said:

    @jrjulius said:
    I'm curious now. Previously, GarageBand used up 1.2 gb and with Alchemy it only takes up 1.3 gb. Are Alchemy soundbanks a separate download or do they only provide 100 mb of samples?

    I'm not complaining. I have a 16 gb iPad, which has been tough to manage but it was a gift so I can't complain. But 100 mb seems downright incorrect compared to the 20-ish gigabytes of Alchemy samples in LPX.

    Garageband includes 150 'Alchemy Patches' so it's not the full Alchemy install you get with LPX on the desktop.
    I've not dug in the the IPA package yet but 100MB samples for 150 Alchemy patches seems reasonable.

    Did some digging...
    The 'AlchemyLibraries' inside Garageband is ~14MB and includes all the waves and 'raw' waves.

    Cool thanks!

    'Alchemy Samples' is ~122MB :)

  • I'd like to know if Apple has provided (or will provide) a straightforward way for Alchemical users to import the many, many soundbanks we bought into GarageBand.

    I'd check myself, but Air 1. Hopefully they make it easy and painless before the free-standing Alchemy ceases to function.

  • Cubasis interface/workflow still slightly better but GB now wins for me because of PPQ, latency/timing and Swing quantize

  • @realdavidai said:
    Cubasis interface/workflow still slightly better but GB now wins for me because of PPQ, latency/timing and Swing quantize

    • all quantise in Garageband is realtime and 'non-destructive'. It doesn't mess with the original recorded midi-data :)

    Yes, Garageband 2.2 is a solid update but still falls short in some areas that I really hope will be addressed in future updates.

  • @Dham said:

    @jrjulius said:
    Apparently GB iOS just got Alchemy, and you can now work back and forth between GB and LPX. Can't confirm until I get home but:

    http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/18/14312428/apple-garage-band-ios-logic-pro-x-music-software-updates

    From theverge article: "There’s also the ability to now record stuff in both apps and share it between the two via iCloud. Before, you could import a GarageBand file into Logic Pro, but you couldn’t get a Logic project into GarageBand. The updated software lets you work on tracks and add things on your iOS device (if you’re in transit, or offline) and then import it back to Logic Pro on Mac later on."

    I wonder does this mean we can now import tracks from Logic into GB on IOS now? That would be tremendous!

    I tried the new Logic share to GB in iOS and all it appears to do is to bounce down the stereo out from Logic.

    I started with this in Logic.

    Ended up with this is GB.

    :neutral:

    Unless I'm missing something in some export options that preserve individual tracks from the Logic project, this doesn't appear to be too useful. No MIDI, no stems, just a stereo bounce down.

    Add to that no way to get live Alchemy output from GB into a DAW like Auria Pro, Cubasis, etc. and it still seems like it's not really all that great compared to being able to run the original standalone IMO. That's entirely my $0.02. I don't use GB anyway currently, and this doesn't make me want to sadly :neutral:

    Glad to be informed if I've missed something obvious.

    Oh - and the ongoing trend of decreasing skeuomorphism in the new Logic is not going to be to everyone's taste either. Isn't to mine. The world isn't flat. Hoping that one day the trend will be reversed again - like flares coming back into fashion :smiley: This new clutch of designers in the world (not just at Apple - Micro$ is just as bad - worse even, other places too) needs to look up once in a while and get out of their 2D thinking into the 3D world methinks :wink: .

    Just think if all the Slate plugins were flat. Right. See what Line 6 did with their amp / cab simulation in their iOS app? IMO - Ick! They haven't done that on the desktop. Compare with Tonestack, BIAS, Amplitube, JamUp, etc. etc. There's a reason people use those apps in preference, and it's not to do with sound quality per se - Line 6 has been modeling longer than all those others and is good at it; I use POD Farm on the desktop. Familiarity with physical hardware helps, and even when a DAW isn't modeled after physical hardware specifically (most aren't HMB being the exception), they are in principle. Guess that's why I don't like the LnF of FL Studio for iOS either. (I'm not agin flat altogether - just when it's done for no good reason.)

    Oh well. :smiley:

    Back to the original Alchemy I guess. :+1: At least that runs on my iPad 1 too :smiley:

  • I was just using GarageBand a few days ago thinking that it'd be wonderful if it had all the capabilities of the Yamaha QY series (and Mobile Music Sequencer) such as the sequenceable transposition of chords and keys and chord track features. Yes, even fingered chord and auto-accompaniment (y'know, to widen the appeal of music making on iOS, naturally).

  • @MusicInclusive Thanks for the update. I just read another description of how the export and syncing works:

    "Round trip that's really a trip

    You're working on your next killer song but you need to get out of your studio and you just won't be able to use your Mac for a while. What do you do? With the new Logic Pro X, you share a special version of your project to iCloud. That version flattens all the tracks down to one but keeps the ability to add new, separate tracks. Then you open the special version in GarageBand for iOS 2.2 on iPhone or iPad.

    Meet someone on the street and record something serendipitous on your iPhone, get a great idea for found sound in the coffee shop and capture it on your iPad. Where ever, whatever the inspiration and the audio, you simply grab it, save it to iCloud, and when you get back to your Mac, all the new stuff is synced to the original, multi-track project.

    Just. Boom."

    http://www.imore.com/logic-pro-x-10-3

  • @Dham said:
    @MusicInclusive Thanks for the update. I just read another description of how the export and syncing works:

    "Round trip that's really a trip

    You're working on your next killer song but you need to get out of your studio and you just won't be able to use your Mac for a while. What do you do? With the new Logic Pro X, you share a special version of your project to iCloud. That version flattens all the tracks down to one but keeps the ability to add new, separate tracks. Then you open the special version in GarageBand for iOS 2.2 on iPhone or iPad.

    Meet someone on the street and record something serendipitous on your iPhone, get a great idea for found sound in the coffee shop and capture it on your iPad. Where ever, whatever the inspiration and the audio, you simply grab it, save it to iCloud, and when you get back to your Mac, all the new stuff is synced to the original, multi-track project.

    Just. Boom."

    http://www.imore.com/logic-pro-x-10-3

    More like... fizzling squib :smile:

  • edited January 2017

    Also - OT but, if you use the Logic remote control app, and you use it with older Logic - e.g. on Yosemite - then don't update it because it will not work with the older Logic. If you want to update Logic, you'll have to update from Yosemite too since it requires a minimum of El C. I can't update from Yosemite presently on my main studio Mac because there are no drivers for the hardware I use daily.

    (I was running the new Logic 10.3 on my Macbook Sierra system above.)

  • So who can figure out the diagram of where GB sits in the chain of AUM, AB, Modstep, Cubasis, etc....

    Can things ever flow out of GB? Does GB export stems or only a stereo out? There must be some way to make this marriage work! Unlock the Ehru! Release Alchemy!

  • @ExAsperis99 said:
    So who can figure out the diagram of where GB sits in the chain of AUM, AB, Modstep, Cubasis, etc....

    Can things ever flow out of GB? Does GB export stems or only a stereo out? There must be some way to make this marriage work! Unlock the Ehru! Release Alchemy!

    No - nothing out of GB. Can't be used as an IAA input or an Audiobus input.

  • @Samu said:

    Yes, Garageband 2.2 is a solid update but still falls short in some areas that I really hope will be addressed in future updates.

    It's not to bad for a dot version.
    But 3 eq Bands and no automation, meh.
    See GarageBand again in version 3.

  • @MusicInclusive said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:
    So who can figure out the diagram of where GB sits in the chain of AUM, AB, Modstep, Cubasis, etc....

    Can things ever flow out of GB? Does GB export stems or only a stereo out? There must be some way to make this marriage work! Unlock the Ehru! Release Alchemy!

    No - nothing out of GB. Can't be used as an IAA input or an Audiobus input.

    Nothing is over till we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?? Hell no!
    There must be a way!

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