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GarageBand and Logic Pro Update

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  • @ExAsperis99 said:

    @MusicInclusive said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:
    So who can figure out the diagram of where GB sits in the chain of AUM, AB, Modstep, Cubasis, etc....

    Can things ever flow out of GB? Does GB export stems or only a stereo out? There must be some way to make this marriage work! Unlock the Ehru! Release Alchemy!

    No - nothing out of GB. Can't be used as an IAA input or an Audiobus input.

    Nothing is over till we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?? Hell no!
    There must be a way!

    There is - simply take it over to your Mac and into your Logic Pro X and then export and back over to the iPad.

  • @u0421793 said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @MusicInclusive said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:
    So who can figure out the diagram of where GB sits in the chain of AUM, AB, Modstep, Cubasis, etc....

    Can things ever flow out of GB? Does GB export stems or only a stereo out? There must be some way to make this marriage work! Unlock the Ehru! Release Alchemy!

    No - nothing out of GB. Can't be used as an IAA input or an Audiobus input.

    Nothing is over till we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?? Hell no!
    There must be a way!

    There is - simply take it over to your Mac and into your Logic Pro X and then export and back over to the iPad.

    Well that was easy.
    What about all my AUM stems and Modstep ditties and Cubasis sketches. Can they join too?

  • @u0421793 said:
    I was just using GarageBand a few days ago thinking that it'd be wonderful if it had all the capabilities of the Yamaha QY series (and Mobile Music Sequencer) such as the sequenceable transposition of chords and keys and chord track features. Yes, even fingered chord and auto-accompaniment (y'know, to widen the appeal of music making on iOS, naturally).

    If just Apple bring Mainstage to iOS...

  • @ExAsperis99 said:

    Nothing is over till we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?? Hell no!
    There must be a way!

    You can always do the mute/un-mute&export, mute/un-mute&export until you have all the tracks as separate files :)
    Export using 'Open In...' as destination to send the files to ex. AudioShare and there convert to desired format.

    Garagebands 'engine' is a very capable app but hides most of the things from the more advanced users.(It does live time/pitch adjustment of Apple-Loops, they are just regular waves with transient markers, imagine if we could 'modify' our own recordings, add transient markers etc.). The 'presets' are regular ESX24, Ultrabeat & Retrosynth programs and the other sounds, well, use the same code as the instruments in Logic Pro X...

    So in theory Apple could if they wanted transform Garageband into 'iLogic'.(I'd be happy to pay premium for that!).

  • edited January 2017

    Oh logic does true stereo panning now.
    Was about Time.

  • @Hmtx said:
    When the Alchemy excitement dies down, let's talk about

    "Multi- take Recording" :o

    I know that will be a welcome feature for many

    This! Assuming it means what I think it means. A God-send for recording solos.

  • edited January 2017

    No Ableton Link.....in 2017?

    Well, let's see what Gadget update brings...

  • I seem to recall reading somewhere that GarageBand is 16 bit only, is this true?

    Also I just noticed a 'restore in app purchases' button, I'm sure it want there before? What's in store for us then?

  • @stumax said:
    I seem to recall reading somewhere that GarageBand is 16 bit only, is this true?

    Also I just noticed a 'restore in app purchases' button, I'm sure it want there before? What's in store for us then?

    Nothing :/

  • edited January 2017

    @PhilW said:
    It still frustrates me that you can choose from a range of guitar effects if you plug in an external guitar, but the choice is fixed for the Smart Guitar - why not open this up to all the effects?

    You can get two AUv3 effects with the Smart Guitar

    My cursory look at this thing is that you can get up to 4 AUv3 effects with Drums, Bass, Audio Record, Strings, Bass, World, Piano, Alchemy, and Sampler. But only one with your own guitar and two with the Smart Guitar.

    For your vocals/audio recording, it also comes out of the box with 8 "Fun" presets that make use of the new slew of effects. So you can get the "Chipmunk Effect," "Extreme Tuning," "Sci-Fi," "Squeeze," "Space," "Telephone," "Bullhorn," "Monster," etc.

    I assume if you turn down the pitch control knob on "Extreme Tuning" you'll get a more realistic pitch adjustment.

    There are also some more professional presets in various categories, including some intriguing Producer Effects I'm looking forward to trying out like "Filter Sweep Down," and "Shifting Swirls"

    This is a good day for the developers of AUv3 effects and the people who use them. This just opened up a big market of users. Hello AUFX series, Holderness, and the rest. :)

  • For those just getting into recording, teaching one the basics of DAW recording vs. the adaptation we who began in the '80's-'90's had coming from analog & early DAW's, GarageBand is okay.

    For me though the interface is just too limiting and obtuse; getting to standard controls while in the various instruments is a chore & like I said, for new recordists this layout may be beneficial but for me I'm too used to the standard DAW layout.

    I totally LOVE some of the sounds in Alchemy (that Dusty El. Piano is sweet) but since GarageBand is locked down as far as using it as a defacto sound source/synth/drum app it makes digging in to Alchemy or the cool World instruments kinda half ass since getting the sounds into another DAW is such a huge chore. I know I can start a project in GB, get the sounds I want off of it and then mixdown & import into the other DAW but like I said, very willy nilly & a hassle.

    I wish Apple would allow GB to be an AudioBus input like Auria & Cubasis do or an IAA instrument. Hell, Auria's AudioBus/IAA facility is insane, you can route groups, AUX's, tracks, etc...Another reason it's my main squeeze DAW.

    I had taken TableTop, Beatmaker 2 and some other large apps off my Air 2 to get some storage headroom and since I rarely if ever use them, I figure if I want to I can just download it back on.

    Beathawk and GarageBand were the next candidates for storage thinning but I think I'll hold on to GB a bit longer, may even do a full project in it. To me this update made GB a lot more powerful (AU effects, multiple take/playlist recording, etc) but it's still #3 below #2 Cubasis 2 and #1 Auria Pro.

  • @eustressor said:
    I'd like to know if Apple has provided (or will provide) a straightforward way for Alchemical users to import the many, many soundbanks we bought into GarageBand.

    I'd check myself, but Air 1. Hopefully they make it easy and painless before the free-standing Alchemy ceases to function.

    exactly my thought. unlikely.

  • @MusicInclusive said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:
    So who can figure out the diagram of where GB sits in the chain of AUM, AB, Modstep, Cubasis, etc....

    Can things ever flow out of GB? Does GB export stems or only a stereo out? There must be some way to make this marriage work! Unlock the Ehru! Release Alchemy!

    No - nothing out of GB. Can't be used as an IAA input or an Audiobus input.

    nor MIDI out, BTW.

  • @johnfromberkeley said:

    @eustressor said:
    I'd like to know if Apple has provided (or will provide) a straightforward way for Alchemical users to import the many, many soundbanks we bought into GarageBand.

    I'd check myself, but Air 1. Hopefully they make it easy and painless before the free-standing Alchemy ceases to function.

    exactly my thought. unlikely.

    Yeah - and there's an IAP store now, currently with empty shelves? I suppose 20 or so rebranded soundpacks would fit there nicely.

    Don't know how I feel about the specter of repurchasing ... We've all been there with music and movie media format changes. I've lost track of how many versions of "Das Boot" and "Scorpions Greatest Hits" I've bought over the years.

    My guess is they won't "kill" Alchemy until they start monetizing all those awesome Camel soundpacks via GarageBand. It's not like Apple to leave money on the table ...

  • @Ivan_Dj said:

    @stumax said:
    I seem to recall reading somewhere that GarageBand is 16 bit only, is this true?

    Also I just noticed a 'restore in app purchases' button, I'm sure it want there before? What's in store for us then?

    Nothing :/

    There is an extra set of instruments. Can't remember exactly what was there. Some Chinese instruments as I recall though.

  • @eustressor said:
    Yeah - and there's an IAP store now, currently with empty shelves? I suppose 20 or so rebranded soundpacks would fit there nicely.

    Don't know how I feel about the specter of repurchasing ... We've all been there with music and movie media format changes. I've lost track of how many versions of "Das Boot" and "Scorpions Greatest Hits" I've bought over the years.

    My guess is they won't "kill" Alchemy until they start monetizing all those awesome Camel soundpacks via GarageBand. It's not like Apple to leave money on the table ...

    I was hoping to ditch alchemy, but it looks like that's not going to happen.

  • I simply cannot see anything to complain with this version of Garageband. C'mon, this is a free DAW with some functions (pitch correction) that are lacking even in iOS' flagship Auria Pro.

    Specially good, and overlooked here, is that it now has a fairly good channel strip. Give it a real mixer and it could give even Auria Pro a run for its money. It already had some strengths: by far, the best and most intuitive touch interface. By far the best piano roll. Decent audio editing. Non destructive audio processing. 960,000 PPQ - the same as Auria Pro, Logic, ProTools. Built-in guitar amps and even a very good tuner, for free - not an IAP! Smart instruments, and now smart features for all instruments! Even a clip launcher for people who are into this (not me).

  • edited January 2017

    So it's just Alchemy presets and not the synth? Not all that interesting... Unless this means Logic iOS with the full Alchemy synth is on the way.

  • Anybody moved a project from iOS GB to OSX Logic? What does it send over??

  • Luv the update!!! Everything that I want except iPhone won't open the app and iPad Pro is having a hard time opening some files. Hopefully it just clicks and starts working.

    The simple mess of the app is all I need and AudioShare allows my to import from other apps. Today is a win

  • edited January 2017

    @1P18 said:
    So it's just Alchemy presets and not the synth? Not all that interesting... Unless this means Logic iOS with the full Alchemy synth is on the way.

    Actually, it's barely interesting. There is a lot of variation in morphing the 150 available presets, but they didn't even include all of the presets.

    When I make a preset, sometimes, I start from scratch, and sometimes I start from the preset.

    Being able to morph (some of) the presets is worth something. In the alchemy app, being able to tweak presets more, is worth a little bit more.

    Of course, it is nothing compared to the desktop alchemy.

  • edited January 2017

    @theconnactic said:
    I simply cannot see anything to complain with this version of Garageband. C'mon, this is a free DAW with some functions (pitch correction) that are lacking even in iOS' flagship Auria Pro.

    Specially good, and overlooked here, is that it now has a fairly good channel strip. Give it a real mixer and it could give even Auria Pro a run for its money. It already had some strengths: by far, the best and most intuitive touch interface. By far the best piano roll. Decent audio editing. Non destructive audio processing. 960,000 PPQ - the same as Auria Pro, Logic, ProTools. Built-in guitar amps and even a very good tuner, for free - not an IAP! Smart instruments, and now smart features for all instruments! Even a clip launcher for people who are into this (not me).

    Yep. Built-in guitar amps really aren't too bad either. Kind of depreessing to think I could do almost anything I want to do with only GarageBand. Damn appoholism. Also, nothing even comes close to Drummer so far. It's easy, fast, and sounds great.

  • edited January 2017

    @MusicInclusive said:

    @Ivan_Dj said:

    @stumax said:
    I seem to recall reading somewhere that GarageBand is 16 bit only, is this true?

    Also I just noticed a 'restore in app purchases' button, I'm sure it want there before? What's in store for us then?

    Nothing :/

    There is an extra set of instruments. Can't remember exactly what was there. Some Chinese instruments as I recall though.

    The restore purchases button it's been there for a while.
    It's not for the Chinese instruments, there's a toggle to show them or hide them in the advanced settings (both Chinese instruments are hide by default) depending if you want them or not but there's no need to restore purchases.

    The only thing restore purchases do it's restore audio loops (mainly the loops that were on sale for the RED campaign a while ago if you bought them but there are others as well) nothing more.

  • @Lacm1993 said:

    @MusicInclusive said:

    @Ivan_Dj said:

    @stumax said:
    I seem to recall reading somewhere that GarageBand is 16 bit only, is this true?

    Also I just noticed a 'restore in app purchases' button, I'm sure it want there before? What's in store for us then?

    Nothing :/

    There is an extra set of instruments. Can't remember exactly what was there. Some Chinese instruments as I recall though.

    The restore purchases button it's been there for a while.
    It's not for the Chinese instruments, there's a toggle to show them or hide them in the advanced settings (both Chinese instruments are hide by default) depending if you want them or not but there's no need to restore purchases.

    The only thing restore purchases do it's restore audio loops (mainly the loops that were on sale for the RED campaign a while ago if you bought them but there are others as well) nothing more.

    Hmmm. I guess I was confused by the "Complete collection of GarageBand Instruments and sounds" description that Apple give on the app store for the IAP. Oh well. I don't use GB at all for anything presently - was just interested to see if Alchemy was going to be any good with it, and whether this Logic transfer was of any use. Alas not for either. Eh well...

  • @MusicInclusive

    Hmmm. I guess I was confused by the "Complete collection of GarageBand Instruments and sounds" description that Apple give on the app store for the IAP. Oh well. I don't use GB at all for anything presently - was just interested to see if Alchemy was going to be any good with it, and whether this Logic transfer was of any use. Alas not for either. Eh well...

    Yeah, that's confusing. I bought the full version of GarageBand back in 2014. (When it was free and included IAP), that description on the AppStore made sense but now it doesn't because there are no IAP and the app it's not free. So whenever you redownload GarageBand there's is nothing to restore in the sense of instruments (as there's no IAP anymore everything is there from the beginning)

    I only noticed the real function of the restore purchases button because I bought the RED loops and before restoring purchases all of them were missing. That's literally all it does, if you never purchased those loops it probably does nothing.

    And the Chinese instruments are there from the start just hidden.

  • edited January 2017

    Lol have you seen the keyboard on the touch bar?
    Who thought that was a good idea?
    You will play better on the laptop keys.
    And those lines of the arrangement, lol, I can't see anything.
    Touch bar = fail.
    500 dollars to wiggle a few smart controls. You have to be kidding.

  • @theconnactic said:
    Auria's still the best, but I can see myself spending a lot of time working in GarageBand because of Alchemy<

    >

    Yes, just when we think Apple is sleeping, they do something really good.

    Does anyone know if there's a way to transfer patches from the old Alchemy for IOS, which I've been hoarding the 'the precious' to this new one?

  • @JRSIV said:
    I wish Apple would allow GB to be an AudioBus input like Auria & Cubasis do or an IAA instrument. Hell, Auria's AudioBus/IAA facility is insane, you can route groups, AUX's, tracks, etc...Another reason it's my main squeeze DAW.

    To me this update made GB a lot more powerful (AU effects, multiple take/playlist recording, etc) but it's still #3 below #2 Cubasis 2 and #1 Auria Pro.

    In a similar boat to you, @JRSIV. This is a good update, for sure. I just wish they'd go all the way and add proper connectivity. As for space, I too am looking at ditching, for now, BeatHawk and BeatMaker, 'cause whatever they offer, I'll actually use this Garage Band more.

  • @Matthew said:

    @Hmtx said:
    When the Alchemy excitement dies down, let's talk about

    "Multi- take Recording" :o

    I know that will be a welcome feature for many

    This! Assuming it means what I think it means. A God-send for recording solos.

    How does multi - take recording work? I recorded twice over a section,but can only see and hear the most recent take.

  • @ExAsperis99 said:

    @MusicInclusive said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:
    So who can figure out the diagram of where GB sits in the chain of AUM, AB, Modstep, Cubasis, etc....

    Can things ever flow out of GB? Does GB export stems or only a stereo out? There must be some way to make this marriage work! Unlock the Ehru! Release Alchemy!

    No - nothing out of GB. Can't be used as an IAA input or an Audiobus input.

    Nothing is over till we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?? Hell no!
    There must be a way!

    @richlum said:

    @Matthew said:

    @Hmtx said:
    When the Alchemy excitement dies down, let's talk about

    "Multi- take Recording" :o

    I know that will be a welcome feature for many

    This! Assuming it means what I think it means. A God-send for recording solos.

    How does multi - take recording work? I recorded twice over a section,but can only see and hear the most recent take.

    It's an option, not on by default - FX/Track Setting/Recording

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