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Thanks for the feedback. You and Joc occupy a similarly experimental space like myself, so I value your opinions, and if you're both going to be infrequent users then it'd probably be the same here. My income has plummeted this year, so I have to be careful with my spending, so I'll save my pennies for AB3.
I'm having a thick week and still trying to work this one out. My head is still stuck in ApeFilter territory. Is this something different?
Kinda, but not really. With this one, it doesn't get quite as crazy, and you have a little more control. My take on it is pretty much the same as @Jocphone 's and I agree with @MonzoPro that this might've have been better as an updated feature within Virsyn's AudioEffx app.
@Fruitbat1919 check this BandShift demo video out. The UI / X - Y make BandShift a very direct and playable tool. It's fantastic.
@skiphunt Today I posted a second entry in this thread because I felt like it was getting clogged with the doubt and indecision of a select few and most of all you Skip: you'd posted 17 times within 4 BandShift thread pages concluding that you're trying to get a refund. After all (and largely because of) that I posted a reminder that some of us love BandShift immediately you yet again inserted your anti-BandShift opinions suggesting that you feel it's important to continuously implement your individual feelings as if they were a Truth beyond your own. It's not for me to govern who says what where but in this case (and several others I've held my tongue about) your stream of consciousness style entries questioning whether an app is for you / if the app is for others / if the price is fair / and (in this case) whether your going to return the purchase is both misrepresentative of the app itself (by sheer volume of posts) and to be blunt a painful read as this thread is not your blog. To someone seeking feedback and impressions about BandShift reading a thread which has disproportionate negative entries from one person is distracting and misleading.
BandShift serves a specific function, is dirt cheap with a tiny footprint. If you're not one of the people who it serves you really don't need to constantly "warn the others" by restating your position or define the parameters of who you think this app is for.
I don't believe your intentions are evil but I'm wondering if you're confusing this forum as a means to cyber-socialize while inadvertently having a negative impact on the very ecosystem the forum exists upon.
@proppa You need to get a grip, and learn to accept not everyone is going to love the same things you do.
First off, simply... you're absolutely wrong. NONE of my posts about BandShift are "negative" or disparaging. The majority of my posts about this app are inquiries about the app while I was deciding whether or not to buy it. I just read them all myself and you've obviously got a chip on your shoulder. Frankly, I don't care. I don't know you and I don't care what you think of my posting here. If you don't like it, don't read it.
Secondly, I finally did buy the app and posted that I liked it. A handful of users here who share my sonic taste, have expressed interest of whether or not I could recommend an app based on our common interests. I'd posted that I liked it initially, but I think that's only because I'd spent 2 hours trying to figure out why Self a Fuzz was killing all audio on my device. It was extremely aggravating and frustrating. Then, I gave up and moved on to my other purchase, BandShift, which did what it's supposed to. Was easy to figure out, sounded decent, and was marginally amusing to play with for about an hour.
That's my take on it. My own perspective is all I can ever honestly comment on. Sorry if that bothers you. No, strike that. I'm not sorry that you're bothered at all. I'm just as free to share my opinion of an app as you are. So, I'll just let you dwell on that for a moment.
I posted again on this app because I'd ultimately decided this app wasn't for me. I didn't say ANYTHING freakin bad about the app. It's a fine app. Just not for me.
Honestly, I think if you're as decent a human being as I originally thought you were, I think you owe me an apology.
I think the phrase "Your mileage may vary" would sum the situation up and save some wear and tear on the keyboard to boot.
I don't think that's fair comment - Skip regularly dives in and takes one for the team, and his unbiased feedback is respected by us fence sitters. If he's posted a lot about an app it's because we've badgered him about his experiences with it.
If you want to share why you think the app is great, I'm sure us fence sitters will appreciate your feedback too. We're all Virsyn fans on here, but we're not all as wealthy as we'd like, so have to be selective in what we buy.
I'm still on the fence...for production purposes only what one or two apps could replace this…?
Maybe Turnado and apeFilter?
Just to add, I love Virsyn. If I had a more healthy cash flow, I would just buy it anyway to support their further iOS development (as I have most of their apps).
My main problem is AB3 is just around the corner and I have to make sure I have money for that! AB3 I just know will become a major part of my setup
I think the discussion around Bandshift has been quite constructive. @skiphunt and @MonzoPro and myself share similar concerns with respect to music making, some of which are probably of interest to the other iOS music makers on this forum.
My interest in all this covers many aspects besides whether an individual company sells enough units. I happily tried Bandshift because I have a had a great experience with all the previous Virsyn apps that I bought. This one I found less than satisfactory and I explained why and in what context, i.e. my own interests. @skiphunt did similar in a fair and honest way and I enjoyed his writing about it.
If I was an outsider to the forum, looking for other people's experience of an app then I would hope for honest and fair evaluations rather than blind fawning over a developers products. One-sided and uncritical assessments are rarely of any use. Equally, overly negative assessments are of similarly little use. I don't believe this was happening and am not sure why you felt the need @Proppa to try and derail a perfectly civil discussion of this app's merits, of which there are many.
Not in this case: Skip posted teens(!) of entries based on hesitation and suggestions that BandShift should be included as part of an existing app etc before actually getting the app and ultimately requesting a refund after a few hours use.
This thread was not the first time I was struck by Skip's dismissive tone and (to put it nicely) "frugal" framing of worthiness.
I totally understand this and thankfully Doug has made a comprehensive Demo
I wrote because the thread was already "derailed" by Skip's monitoring: unnecessarily reinstating his dissatisfaction and (for example) when someone asked if BandShift was different from ApeFilter Skip's reply was "..not really". This brand of opinionated misinformation is damaging to both users and developers.
@Proppa you need to give these personal attacks a rest.
I was finished with questions about this app. Made my opinion and moving on. I only came back to it because I was asked for a sample. It wouldn't have been honest to not tell those asking that I'd ultimately decided this app wasn't for me and why.
Then, you started attacking me for it because you don't share my opinion.
I've flagged this message and asked that you cease these personal attacks.
I explained my reasoning before and requested an apology from you. Instead, you're doubling down with more attacks. You need to check yourself pal.
You're not owed an apology just because it's uncomfortable Skip.
I meant every word of what I've said and stand behind it.
I will however apologize to everyone else for further distracting this thread from its original topic of BandShift and if you've not seen it already do check out Doug's video demo.
Troublemaker through BandShift. Tasty.
All I've done is post that I was interested in this app. I asked questions about the app. Expressed trepidation of whether BandShift had value for my use.
I ask a lot of questions because I'm not a sycophantic music app buyer who just buys apps because I'm a "fan". I try to cut through all the vague fanatic posts about a purchase to get to the actual potential use.
I bought this app, and said that I liked it initially. Then I was asked by folks here to post a sample. After trying for a couple hours to get something I felt showed off the app, I decided it's not something I'd use much, and for sound mangling, BandShift didn't offer ME any more use than what I already have in apps like Turnado, ApeFilter, Wow, Frekvens, etc.
So, I shared my final perspective honestly as a courtesy for those who asked.
As far as I know, there aren't any rules here about criticism of apps. Nor are there any rules about how many times you can post on a thread. If there were, there are many more sound app enthusiasts here who'd surely take the prize.
I would suggest to you, that if you don't like a user's point of view, you should just ignore it. Not attack them personally and publicly.
You are obviously a loyal fan of anything Virsyn does. I'm not, though I own several of their apps. I don't care if you are a fan and would never stoop to attcking you for not sharing my opinion.
So, forget that apology if you honestly don't think you are out of line. But you might do better to launch your personal attacks privately over messaging, instead of turning a good, honest discussion of a new app, into a personal temper tantrum. You aren't doing Virsyn any favors with this approach.
Quote from skiphunt "BandShift didn't offer ME any more use than what I already have in apps like Turnado, ApeFilter, Wow, Frekvens, etc.".
This is what I wanted to know as I have those mentioned apps.
Thanks @skiphunt
You're welcome. My pleasure
There are many varying perspectives and feedback on apps from many users here that I find very helpful.
So, when I have the opportunity to share my own honest take regarding use and personal value, I'm happy to do so.
There's nothing wrong with the app at all. Or, Virsyn as a developer. I have several of their apps that I really like. But this one was redundant for me.
Certainly others could find lots of great use for this one in their respective sonic toolboxes. Unfortunately, I did not.
I've been notified to have a look at this thread but I honestly can't see much that doesn't resemble civil discourse. Keep up the polite disagreement, gentlemen. Or... you know... don't. Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
I'd like to backtrack a little on this app. I haven't deleted it, and I stand by the "playable" x/y's for the filter.. isn't my thing and I wouldn't have that much use for. However, I've been running audio from Logic Pro X, to the iPad via the studiomux server app with various iOS filters loaded into Modstep... for roundtrip back to LPX. And, I have to say... this Bandshift app is actually very useful and worth having. I haven't re-bought it yet, but I've added it to my list and will pick it up eventually.
The reason for changing my mind is that not using this as a playable x/y filter effect, and instead just using the x/y to dial-in a specific character to the sound to use in a more static capacity, is very useful and conducive for easy experimentation with various filtration.
I personally didn't like the demo videos showing a bunch of x/y pad filter playing, and I didn't like the results I got doing that either... but as a static filter, it's definitely got a useful place in the toolbox.
I love this as an AU for live fx tweaking, i do have Turnado and Frekvens as well for similar fx but those guys can be way too intense, Bandshift is more on the musically useable side for my needs (fx processing for beatboxing looping)
Still on my list, this one, but would love to see a bit more before I buy.
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I know what you mean. It sounds like 'wonky maker' to me, and much as I love VirSyn, this is not an app I can imagine using very much.
Not even Doug's video did the trick. Great for those who are so inclined, though.
Yes, it's on my list too... likely pick it up if there's a sale at some point. I just wanted to follow up, because using this as a filter, with no automation or playing... just using the x/y, etc. to custom dial in an interesting filter... is something I'm using and would continue to. Sort of like when you have an audio clip or composition... that just needs something, but you don't know what. You just drop Bandshift in, zero everything out, then start messing around with the x/y pads, and the levels sliders below... and stuff gets revealed that you might not have thought of.
Anyway, just an update on my own experience with this. YMMV
Yes, 'wonky maker' is an apt description of what I use it for.
Yeah I was wondering about using it that way - shifting the frequencies and using it as a static filter, rather than the x/y stuff.
Still on my list, a sale would help push me off the fence though.
Anyone else crashing when loading a project with bandshift inside AB3.2.2?