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OT Digitakt in the wild

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  • @kobamoto said:

    @mireko_2 said:

    @kobamoto said:
    wow 128/256/ 64mb.... clarifies things even more. I'm a drum machine for drum machine's sake fiend so I'm not against it for being just a drum machine but it's the fact that it's so much more than just a drum machine that's got me jumping on and off the fence :(

    was thinking about getting some dread boxes for my circuit but with this out I might have to let cirky go, so hard to stay on the fence until I also think about the fact that they'd be crazy not to come out with a better battery capable option next year

    there was some talk on one of the superbooth videos that the 128 might be upped to 256, also someone on the elektronaughts forum said the Elektron guys hinted at superbooth that there may be more devices coming and a bigger bro to the digtakt (likely stereo, more RAM/fx). but who knows when or if thats even true.

    As of right now though I am thinking that this + the MPC Live would be a pretty amazing standalone workstation.

    If the Digitakt can respond to pattern program changes from the MPC Live than that would be a really solid combo.

    As far as sampling and sequencing the two compliment eachother so well. Digitakt PLock and awesome step seq.
    MPC Live to record those jam session into Audiotracks and then build with sample slicing and poly instruments over the top. Ahhhhghgh

    Do I really want to lay down that much dough though haha

    and... since the midi tracks have the same features as the audio tracks you could use all of that elektron magical goodness on the mpc, turning the mp into patterning

    Oh damn yeah great point!

  • I have a few Elekron boxes, and I cannot for the life of me understand why more hardware and app developers do not implement parameter locking in their products. It's a genuinely amazing feature for any rhythm device.

    It would be good to know how deeply parameter locks are embedded into the MIDI side of things.

    I think Digitakt driving a Nord Drum 2 module could be a really amazing combination. If there is deep midi control over the Nord Drum from the Digitakt sequencer, then you'd have an awesome combination of sampler and synthesis.

  • @bennorland said:
    I have a few Elekron boxes, and I cannot for the life of me understand why more hardware and app developers do not implement parameter locking in their products. It's a genuinely amazing feature for any rhythm device.

    It would be good to know how deeply parameter locks are embedded into the MIDI side of things.

    I think Digitakt driving a Nord Drum 2 module could be a really amazing combination. If there is deep midi control over the Nord Drum from the Digitakt sequencer, then you'd have an awesome combination of sampler and synthesis.

    I agree, it's just part of that weird phenomena. It's not like when it comes to beat machines or sampling beat machines that people don't know what at least up to this point works very well. the mpc workflow has been working for decades, ableton and acids workflow have been working for over a decade.... parameter locks have been the crux of elektrons success and you'd have to be living under a rock to not know this, you certainly couldn't be someone who actually is so deep into music production that you build beat machines and not know what already works and is needed but I'm still regularly having to request that devs allow us to export audio or import audio, delete audio, organize samples, slice audio over and over...
    there is no such thing as an app or an electronic instrument that wouldn't benefit from p.locks literally nobody is going to thumbs down your app for adding that.

  • @mireko_2 said:

    MPC Live to record those jam session into Audiotracks and then build with sample slicing and poly instruments over the top. Ahhhhghgh

    Do I really want to lay down that much dough though haha

    and... since the midi tracks have the same features as the audio tracks you could use all of that elektron magical goodness on the mpc, turning the mp into patterning

    Oh damn yeah great point!

    yep and I hadn't even thought of it until I posted that comment, in the end this might be the deciding factor makes me get it.... the thing is if they are yanking our chains and a better model is just waiting in the wings around the corner....

  • .... the thing is if they are yanking our chains and a better model is just waiting in the wings around the corner....

    That would piss me right off. Octatrack 2?

  • @noodldoodl said:
    .... the thing is if they are yanking our chains and a better model is just waiting in the wings around the corner....

    That would piss me right off. Octatrack 2?

    Though an octotrack 2 I bet would be 2.5 times the price most likely. What would annoy me more is if it was called like the digikat or something and just had stereo and 16 tracks of samples or something like that

  • @kobamoto said:

    @mireko_2 said:

    MPC Live to record those jam session into Audiotracks and then build with sample slicing and poly instruments over the top. Ahhhhghgh

    Do I really want to lay down that much dough though haha

    and... since the midi tracks have the same features as the audio tracks you could use all of that elektron magical goodness on the mpc, turning the mp into patterning

    Oh damn yeah great point!

    yep and I hadn't even thought of it until I posted that comment, in the end this might be the deciding factor makes me get it.... the thing is if they are yanking our chains and a better model is just waiting in the wings around the corner....

    Hmm which one to buy first then. Might be safer to go Akai but then potentially a buggy mess
    Or go elektron and potentially another upgraded box soon, they have been releasing new gear at a pretty rapid pace. They did say apparently that the next few would be the same kind of form factor as the heat and digitakt

  • edited April 2017

    You're right. Another flagship box would be double what the Digitakt will be and I'll do well not to lose sight of that.

  • It just occurred to me how amazing this would be with samplr hooked up. 6 stereo tracks with the awesome samplr reverb and fx + digitakt 8 sample tracks and 8 midi.. hmm think I just sold myself on buying digitakt first :)

  • @kobamoto said:

    @bennorland said:
    I have a few Elekron boxes, and I cannot for the life of me understand why more hardware and app developers do not implement parameter locking in their products. It's a genuinely amazing feature for any rhythm device.

    It would be good to know how deeply parameter locks are embedded into the MIDI side of things.

    I think Digitakt driving a Nord Drum 2 module could be a really amazing combination. If there is deep midi control over the Nord Drum from the Digitakt sequencer, then you'd have an awesome combination of sampler and synthesis.

    I agree, it's just part of that weird phenomena. It's not like when it comes to beat machines or sampling beat machines that people don't know what at least up to this point works very well. the mpc workflow has been working for decades, ableton and acids workflow have been working for over a decade.... parameter locks have been the crux of elektrons success and you'd have to be living under a rock to not know this, you certainly couldn't be someone who actually is so deep into music production that you build beat machines and not know what already works and is needed but I'm still regularly having to request that devs allow us to export audio or import audio, delete audio, organize samples, slice audio over and over...
    there is no such thing as an app or an electronic instrument that wouldn't benefit from p.locks literally nobody is going to thumbs down your app for adding that.

    I think I know what you mean but could you explain 'parameter locks'. When I hear it I think of Elastic Drums automation vs Gadget.

  • @AudioGus said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @bennorland said:
    I have a few Elekron boxes, and I cannot for the life of me understand why more hardware and app developers do not implement parameter locking in their products. It's a genuinely amazing feature for any rhythm device.

    It would be good to know how deeply parameter locks are embedded into the MIDI side of things.

    I think Digitakt driving a Nord Drum 2 module could be a really amazing combination. If there is deep midi control over the Nord Drum from the Digitakt sequencer, then you'd have an awesome combination of sampler and synthesis.

    I agree, it's just part of that weird phenomena. It's not like when it comes to beat machines or sampling beat machines that people don't know what at least up to this point works very well. the mpc workflow has been working for decades, ableton and acids workflow have been working for over a decade.... parameter locks have been the crux of elektrons success and you'd have to be living under a rock to not know this, you certainly couldn't be someone who actually is so deep into music production that you build beat machines and not know what already works and is needed but I'm still regularly having to request that devs allow us to export audio or import audio, delete audio, organize samples, slice audio over and over...
    there is no such thing as an app or an electronic instrument that wouldn't benefit from p.locks literally nobody is going to thumbs down your app for adding that.

    I think I know what you mean but could you explain 'parameter locks'. When I hear it I think of Elastic Drums automation vs Gadget.

    Parameter locks are just holding down any step and adjusting any parameter (eg sample in that step, sample start, fx send, reverse, filter, filter type, overdrive, pitch, decay, attack) and it only affects that single step and no other

  • @AudioGus said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @bennorland said:
    I have a few Elekron boxes, and I cannot for the life of me understand why more hardware and app developers do not implement parameter locking in their products. It's a genuinely amazing feature for any rhythm device.

    It would be good to know how deeply parameter locks are embedded into the MIDI side of things.

    I think Digitakt driving a Nord Drum 2 module could be a really amazing combination. If there is deep midi control over the Nord Drum from the Digitakt sequencer, then you'd have an awesome combination of sampler and synthesis.

    I agree, it's just part of that weird phenomena. It's not like when it comes to beat machines or sampling beat machines that people don't know what at least up to this point works very well. the mpc workflow has been working for decades, ableton and acids workflow have been working for over a decade.... parameter locks have been the crux of elektrons success and you'd have to be living under a rock to not know this, you certainly couldn't be someone who actually is so deep into music production that you build beat machines and not know what already works and is needed but I'm still regularly having to request that devs allow us to export audio or import audio, delete audio, organize samples, slice audio over and over...
    there is no such thing as an app or an electronic instrument that wouldn't benefit from p.locks literally nobody is going to thumbs down your app for adding that.

    I think I know what you mean but could you explain 'parameter locks'. When I hear it I think of Elastic Drums automation vs Gadget.

    Every sound parameter can be locked on a step by step basis (more-or-less). You can record this in real time BUT the real power comes in being able to set the parameters stepwise (even during a performance if you wish). Every step can play a completly unique drum sound.

  • @bennorland said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @bennorland said:
    I have a few Elekron boxes, and I cannot for the life of me understand why more hardware and app developers do not implement parameter locking in their products. It's a genuinely amazing feature for any rhythm device.

    It would be good to know how deeply parameter locks are embedded into the MIDI side of things.

    I think Digitakt driving a Nord Drum 2 module could be a really amazing combination. If there is deep midi control over the Nord Drum from the Digitakt sequencer, then you'd have an awesome combination of sampler and synthesis.

    I agree, it's just part of that weird phenomena. It's not like when it comes to beat machines or sampling beat machines that people don't know what at least up to this point works very well. the mpc workflow has been working for decades, ableton and acids workflow have been working for over a decade.... parameter locks have been the crux of elektrons success and you'd have to be living under a rock to not know this, you certainly couldn't be someone who actually is so deep into music production that you build beat machines and not know what already works and is needed but I'm still regularly having to request that devs allow us to export audio or import audio, delete audio, organize samples, slice audio over and over...
    there is no such thing as an app or an electronic instrument that wouldn't benefit from p.locks literally nobody is going to thumbs down your app for adding that.

    I think I know what you mean but could you explain 'parameter locks'. When I hear it I think of Elastic Drums automation vs Gadget.

    Every sound parameter can be locked on a step by step basis (more-or-less). You can record this in real time BUT the real power comes in being able to set the parameters stepwise (even during a performance if you wish). Every step can play a completly unique drum sound.

    Ahh, so like my Circuit then. Yah, good stuff!

  • Plus u can have a bunchnof parameter locks per step. I think 5 on this one. So that means panning, decay, sample, reverse, fx send etc. Pretty strong. I used to have a totally satisfying drum sequence on my a4 on just one track.

    U can even setup chords using only one voice. By parameter locking different tuning to the different oscillators.

  • @mireko_2 said:

    Though an octotrack 2 I bet would be 2.5 times the price most likely. What would annoy me more is if it was called like the digikat or something and just had stereo and 16 tracks of samples or something like that

    yep this is what I'm talking about, withhold stereo for what?.... not make it battery opt for what?... we're living in an age where the korg microkorg had batt opt a long time ago, and the mpc has it.... if they aren't coming out with another box then it would make this release make even less sense especially from elektron cause they are known for having their fingers on the pulse of what people need as well as being innovative. I think I'm going to ask them about these tiny but significant omissions on their fb page it's just so curious.

  • I think I'm going with the mp first as I've already paid for it, and the digi's are already sold out haha.... and I gotta get some answers about these not so little niggles. If elektron are forthcoming with their thinking surrounding this release then I'll feel allot better but if they give me the cold shoulder I'll likely stay on the fence and see what happens.

  • The Korg Minilogue has parameter locking. Up to 4 params.

    The sort of golden example of parameter locks on it is setting OSC2 to "NOISE" on steps 5 and 13 (and those steps only). Suddenly, you're little monophonic bass synth is triggering a snare on the 2 and the 4. Boom.

  • On the MIDI side, anyone know how many CCs can be sent out of the Digitakt? Set per track or global for the pattern?

  • haven't seen any info on such, I'm salivating for those midi track videos though, I guess they are working overtime trying to get it ready.. I hope cuckoo tackles it I love how he ask the questions I'm thinking right when I'm thinking them :D

  • @kobamoto said:
    I think I'm going with the mp first as I've already paid for it, and the digi's are already sold out haha.... and I gotta get some answers about these not so little niggles. If elektron are forthcoming with their thinking surrounding this release then I'll feel allot better but if they give me the cold shoulder I'll likely stay on the fence and see what happens.

    I have also paid off the mpc, I can easily switch to the digitakt though as the shop sells both, plus I get $400 back :smiley: tough decision.

    On one hand the mpc gives me the freedom to finally break away from the in the box music making

    On the other the digitakt looked like it will inspire so many happy accidents and make me create music in a new way

  • @kobamoto said:
    haven't seen any info on such, I'm salivating for those midi track videos though, I guess they are working overtime trying to get it ready.. I hope cuckoo tackles it I love how he ask the questions I'm thinking right when I'm thinking them :D

    Just found this RE midi tracks from a Q&A with Simon from Elektron:

    "Q: What about the MIDI sequencer, is it polyphonic?
    A: The MIDI sequencer has the same great features found in our Analog series, such as Trig Conditions and Parameter Locks. It features a +3 note offset on every step so that you can sequence chords. (Up to four notes)"

    So looks like midi gets pLocks too. Awesomsauce

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  • Please, someone educate me like I'm 5...what are we 'losing' by it only being mono samples? Will the overall sound be 'worse' than, say, the Octatrack, which is stereo, correct?

    I know sound quality can be a subjective thing, but I'm hoping the sound quality of the Digitakt is a whole lot better that the OP1 I sold (but still miss, for all of its shortcomings). They're both digital, so it's a fair comparison, I reckon.

    One thing so far in the demos of the Digitakt that I've heard has been the less than desirable glitchy 'clicking' and 'popping' of samples when an LFO had been placed on the sample start point and its frequency was set low. This noisy crackle was also prevalent on the OP1 and hope it's not something we just have to live with.

    One other question I have is how the lack of polyphony will work, in terms of one sample on a step choking out the previous one, or will the decay/release stage be allowed to fully run its course, even if the next step in the sequence is being played?

    I'm still relatively new to this and appreciate any help and advice you kind people are willing to give.

  • edited April 2017

    A sample played on a track will cut off the decay of any sample still playing on that track when it's triggered. You can soften it a bit with the master delay and reverb sends.

    Honestly I'd be all over this if the sampling was in stereo. Mono somehow makes sense for drum hits, but sucks for pre-prepared samples with stereo depth.

    Looks like loads of fun, though.

  • no response from Elektron on their Facebook page to any of the concerns, not happy about that one bit.

  • @noodldoodl said:
    Please, someone educate me like I'm 5...what are we 'losing' by it only being mono samples? Will the overall sound be 'worse' than, say, the Octatrack, which is stereo, correct?

    It's not about the output quality. It means if you sample a stereo source, the sample you get will be either the left channel, right channel or a sum of both. For the first two, you might lose information entirely (like if the guitar was panned hard in one direction or the other). For the second, it could mean a loss of 'depth'.

    I get why they have mono samples as a requirement—it's an 8 voice machine and stereo samples would mean two voices (one per channel). A patient user could capture the two channels to two different samples and sequence them together, panning them opposite. They have the technology and skills to automagically gang tracks though for those who want it but there's not really a way around that if it's an 8-voice architecture. Just like we did on a 4-track cassette—if you want stereo, you need to use two of the four tracks. It's billed as a drum sampler I guess, even if the most demos spend a lot of time showing its tricks beyond that moniker. And stereo sampling isn't all that important for an electronic music oriented drum sampler. Or at least they can get away with saying that. :)

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  • No way I'd cancel my MPCL preorder for this. My main goal is to arrive at full production in one box. Pare down till my studio is small enough to drown in the sink. And the latest chatter from beta testers is that Akai nailed it with this one; that MPC Live is rock solid.

  • that's good news, which beta testers said that?

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