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iOS 11 predictions?

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  • @brambos said:

    @Cib said:
    I still wait for an own pro apps app store category to finally left the "10 dollar is too expensive for an app" thinking and leave that to the consumers who are not interested in this kind of tools.

    Completely with you on this one. A Pro Appstore is the thing that's needed to make a convincing statement for the "Post PC" claims.

    YEP! This also would for sure attract some famous desktop developers.....which of course could be bad for some independent developers in terms of competition. I hope there is/will be place for big companies and independent developers since i see benefits from both.
    I know i said it often but i´m really tired to get not the high quality tools on iOS while it should be possible right now.
    And no, there is still not a single high quality reverb (beside Pro-R but that is too limited in terms of sound design) or a delay like Replika XT. There are some great synths but nothing in the league of Repro, Dune 2, P900 etc.
    These things to create costs time and money and beside derivates of desktop tools there isn´t much on iOS yet that would please me.
    But i would really pay 100+ for an iOS app (and other people too) if it would be a bit more serious.
    I want Kontakt libraries on an iPad Pro. I will pay the same price. Fine if the crowd says it´s too expensive but i´m willing to pay for a brilliant sample library which took years to create.
    I mean i payed yesterday for cinema more than for an average app.
    But what i don´t want is a 1000 version of the same subtractive synth i get for free anywhere else.
    Sorry, ended in a rant. But every time i ask developers about if they want to create an iOS app i get the same answer.
    In general they are interested but they won´t because of the app store prices and market situation.
    Apple freaking has to change that.

  • @Max23 said:
    Hm, yes it is a little hard to find the tools between the toys in the store
    If you don't know exactly what you are looking for

    BTW. Cubasis is 50 bucks I think auria is too
    I can't remember what I payed for lemur, but it was also in that price range
    They could also take double the money and sell less
    That is not the problem

    Maybe. I mean most desktop DAW´s offer much much more but are of course even more expensive (beside Logic which i got for 179€ once and it is the biggest bargain i ever got).
    Another thing you mentioned i totally agree. The searching in the app store is a crappy mess. It´s so useless that i can´t believe it.
    I still have mixed feelings about the whole pricing thing in general. Of course it´s great for the consumer but while iOS and apps getting more complex, the developing time, costs, income have to increase too.
    But of course the market will decide that.

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  • @Max23 said:
    Logic/mainstage do not count price wise
    They sell macs with that

    And iOS apps are for.......

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    Indeed, what does the possible file app means for other apps offering similar features.
    It's also an Apple like thing to let third party developers create workarounds and make them obsolete some years later.

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    @Max23 said:

    @u0421793 said:

    @realdavidai said:

    @Lacm1993 said:

    @realdavidai said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @realdavidai said:
    I'd like to see enhancements to AUv3:
    a) larger canvas option
    b) MIDI out to host.

    Support for external media would be nice too

    Yeah, the size on Beathawk as an example as a AUv3 is a joke, even on my big iPad Pro!
    Lucky there to have the Apple Pencil option to control the fiddly little UI-area...

    Yes, unfortunately I've lost 3 Apple Pencils. So I've banned myself from them :# But they are awesome in the piano roll

    WTF!

    I've never lost mine! Those things are expensive!

    Yup, I lost two in hotels while traveling..white pencil on white sheets easy to miss. And one at a Diner using iPad Pro at breakfast. I mean It's like a real pencil, easy to leave around. Probably best to keep them at home

    Don't get one of these, then. They're also a bit on the expensive side.

    Pelikan is cheap junk
    Have a look at Mont Blanc
    http://www.montblanc.com/de-de/collection/writing-instruments/meisterstueck/115981-meisterstueck-unicef-solitaire-skeleton-149-fountain-pen.html

    Ooh, have to disagree there. Mont Blanc is what people in suits who want to show off inevitably get, because all they have to do is mention the name and the job is done. Pelican (the top end ones) (and quite often the vintage ones) are among the lesser suspected names that pen collectors really respect - they rarely talk about Mont Blanc quite so much. Of course, one suit can't meet another suit in the 'washroom' and drop into the boardroom conversation that they've got a Pelikan, the other suit might think it is one of those plastic ones for children for school work. Only for those in the know does a Pelikan have any currency.

    Of course, I'm assuming one would get a pen to actually use. Most Mont Blancs have never seen a bottle of ink and those that have ever had any actual ink in, it was a cartridge.

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    @Cib said:
    It's also an Apple like thing to let third party developers create workarounds and make them obsolete some years later.

    You could also look at it from another perspective: if a third-party app can be considered a workaround for a shortcoming in the OS, it's actually Apple's duty to fix it centrally. It sucks for that clever developer, but better for the greater good.

  • I imagine whatever this is relies on the new APFS filesystem on iOS and the way it can create aliases for files.

  • @brambos said:

    @Cib said:

    It's also an Apple like thing to let third party developers create workarounds and make them obsolete some years later.

    You could also look at it from another perspective: if a third-party app can be considered a workaround for a shortcoming in the OS, it's actually Apple's duty to fix it centrally. It sucks for that clever developer, but better for the greater good.

    I have still mixed feelings here.
    Because of that i also find it's not only time for a pro app store, i want a pro iOS for iPad Pro.
    Or we wait 10 years until Apple sell us iOS slowly merged into an macOS touch.
    I already can get that for windows yet.
    I think Apple (and other companies) really don't know where it will/should go.
    Fact is that iPhones still and will be their main focus to please the share holders.

  • @Mark B said:
    I imagine whatever this is relies on the new APFS filesystem on iOS and the way it can create aliases for files.

    My guess would be it simply aggregates the contents of the documents folders. In other words: you'll see the same files you'd see via iTunes File Exchange. That should be the most straightforward solution as every app out there already supports it.

  • @brambos said:

    @Mark B said:
    I imagine whatever this is relies on the new APFS filesystem on iOS and the way it can create aliases for files.

    My guess would be it simply aggregates the contents of the documents folders. In other words: you'll see the same files you'd see via iTunes File Exchange. That should be the most straightforward solution as every app out there already supports it.

    That's what I suspect and have suspected a long time ago.

    The 'Files' app could also become a 'File Provider' thus everything that can be accessed using the Files app can also be accessed using the standard document picker from any app :)

  • @Samu said:

    @brambos said:

    @Mark B said:
    I imagine whatever this is relies on the new APFS filesystem on iOS and the way it can create aliases for files.

    My guess would be it simply aggregates the contents of the documents folders. In other words: you'll see the same files you'd see via iTunes File Exchange. That should be the most straightforward solution as every app out there already supports it.

    That's what I suspect and have suspected a long time ago.

    The 'Files' app could also become a 'File Provider' thus everything that can be accessed using the Files app can also be accessed using the standard document picker from any app :)

    This feature alone would make iOS 11 worth it for me :)

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  • To sum it up:
    I would like a proper file management, mouse (or pencil to navigate every app> @5pinlink said:

    A Pro app store and a Pro IOS, lets split our business in to 3 OS, not happening.
    A pro app store wont happen because the $10 and below app generates a shedload of money for Apple, nobody is stopping developers charging what they want, but the market wants what the market wants.

    Is there software worth more than is being charged, no, that is what the developer decided to charge for various factors, would i pay more for some stuff, initially my instinct would be yes because it would mean a better approach from the developers, but seriously, would i pay more for something like ModStep and then be happy that it is rarely updated and has serious issues, no, they would be finished as developers, but because most people bought it on a special, they just say "Screw it, just use it as a MIDI sequencer" and the developer isn't destroyed everywhere.
    There is a huge amount of apps that are just like that, small price, poor support and issues, and we live with it because of the cost.

    A bigger initial cost also goes against the IAP culture too, if you had to spend $300 on Gadget, 1 you wouldn't buy it and 2 if you did you would expect all new developments to be free, low initial and regular IAP is a much safer market strategy and we are seeing this proliferate to the desktop world too.

    Simply put, while Apple may say they want high end apps for the Pro market, they actually don't, because the latest Angry Birds makes them more money than the latest Bram Bos plugin (Who i personally believe is the pinnacle of plugin design on IOS right now) will ever make them.

    Sadly there is a lot truth in your words. So i still have to dream further to get an outstanding solo violin for iOS....which indeed could be even more interesting there with a full on multi-touch plus 3D touch support.
    So damn, iOS is like a sports wagon in the after work traffic.
    But yes, as long as consumers are happy with angry birds i wonder why any developer of serious music apps is still here. It might be more easy to develop, support and sell apps there as a hobby.
    I do wish that change to more full time iOS developers. I mean some of the most outstanding desktop plug-ins are made by 1-2 man companies as well. But it never will get iOS there if these things not change.
    Let those people buy angry crappy birds but let me freaking buy a shitload of pro tools for a shitload of my hard earned money before i die or don´t can buy anymore those tools.
    Also why shouldn´t Apple don´t like it? They get 30% from every app. Of course they also then must add an option to demo pro apps.
    This pro store should only available on iPad Pro and no one would be forced to buy anything from it.
    Post PC? Lol, my years old macbook can do a million things more and is 10 times faster....so Apple deliver it now before Microsoft and/or other brands will left you in the dark.
    Siri is a joke compared to other ones and their notebooks and macs are already behind the competition.
    The last thing they are better in are the pure multi-touch devices but i see them falling behind too.
    But i´m sure they make the best iOS and iPad ever LOL!

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  • @Max23 said:
    I think a problem with the AppStore for some developers is apples 30% share here ...
    Desktop is a completely different world, there is no need for an AppStore, and apples mac AppStore isn't doing well. Go have a look what's in there. (Logic/mainstage/pixelmator and a bunch of shareware like things.)
    Developers are leaving to sell stuff on their own online.

    There are a lot more music apps than i thought in the mac app store.
    And Logic is always at the very top of payed apps while on iOS it´s a ring tone app or so...

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  • We will see in a few hours (and complain :p ).
    Of course everything added to a better workflow is welcome.....but at the other side adding core functions in 2017 is nothing innovative at all.

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    But yeah, drop and drag is a workflow speed up for sure. Record a sample in an app and direct drop and drag that into another without copy/paste and shit.
    Uh, Tim want me to order an iPad today in a weak moment ;)
    Interesting we could get all the things they said iOS don´t need.
    I think those 2-1 hybrids putting some pressure on them these days.

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  • @Max23 said:
    Im fed up with apples "innovations" lately. I'm all for evolution. :smiley:

    As long as the headphone jacket stays in iPads. That was one of the 1 step back for me....and no...adapters won´t solve that for me.
    But we just see everywhere just evolutions. But more competition is good for us all.
    I think f.e. that without the AMD threadripper and Ryzen cpu´s intel wouldn´t sell their i9 for the price.
    Apple also needs a few more kicks from the side.

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  • @Samu said:

    @Lacm1993 said:

    What are you doing that requires iTunes file transfers?

    Mostly full backups and restores of the iOS devices when needed.
    Some apps also have very limited export functions and rely on iTunes File-Sharing.

    iFunBox is needed to do 'cleanup' for apps that do not provide built-in deletion of created files etc. etc.
    (Some apps leave zip-files in the invisible inbox folder when they extract the files and there is no way other than iFunBox to delete the zip-files).

    It's also a fast way to batch-transfer files from the desktop to the iOS device. The 'cable' is faster than a 1GB 802.1ac network.

    I'm not a huge fan of cloud-services for file transfers. It makes absolutely no sense to push a file to the internet (DropBox etc.) only to bring it back to a device that is in close proximity (like <1 meter).

    So what would make sense here is that 'trusted' iOS devices that are near each other could transparently view each others files and share them if needed... iCloud Drive app already has quite good file-management features so I don't see why it could not be expanded.

    On Monday and during the next week we'll get more information on how things shape up to be :)

    I use Linux on the desktop, and am totally reliant on wifi/cloud transfers for everything. :neutral: I would like to see Apple reduce further any reliance at all on the iTunes program.

  • @Audiojunkie said:

    @Samu said:

    @Lacm1993 said:

    What are you doing that requires iTunes file transfers?

    Mostly full backups and restores of the iOS devices when needed.
    Some apps also have very limited export functions and rely on iTunes File-Sharing.

    iFunBox is needed to do 'cleanup' for apps that do not provide built-in deletion of created files etc. etc.
    (Some apps leave zip-files in the invisible inbox folder when they extract the files and there is no way other than iFunBox to delete the zip-files).

    It's also a fast way to batch-transfer files from the desktop to the iOS device. The 'cable' is faster than a 1GB 802.1ac network.

    I'm not a huge fan of cloud-services for file transfers. It makes absolutely no sense to push a file to the internet (DropBox etc.) only to bring it back to a device that is in close proximity (like <1 meter).

    So what would make sense here is that 'trusted' iOS devices that are near each other could transparently view each others files and share them if needed... iCloud Drive app already has quite good file-management features so I don't see why it could not be expanded.

    On Monday and during the next week we'll get more information on how things shape up to be :)

    I use Linux on the desktop, and am totally reliant on wifi/cloud transfers for everything. :neutral: I would like to see Apple reduce further any reliance at all on the iTunes program.

    That said, I too would like to see further inter-app integration as well! :smiley:

  • @Samu said:
    We'll see on Monday!

    I'd love to see a system-wide 'FileProvider' that makes every apps 'Documents' folder available thru the standard document picker. The iCloud Drive.app could then be used to manage all the files.

    Apps that support the document picker could also easily access the files :)

    I also hope iOS 'cuts' the iTunes dependency.

    iOS could easily 'serve' all apps documents folders using SMB to 'trusted' devices. Instant wireless access using Finder, Windows Explorer to the files stored on the iOS device.

    iCloud/Cloud-Services is not the answer or solution to file transfers between iOS and other devices.
    (I mean sure it's nice in theory but when we're dealing with multiple GBs of data 'The Cloud' is not practical solution).

    Hmmmm.....

    https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/5/15739136/apple-files-app-ios-11-wwdc-2017

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @Samu said:
    We'll see on Monday!

    I'd love to see a system-wide 'FileProvider' that makes every apps 'Documents' folder available thru the standard document picker. The iCloud Drive.app could then be used to manage all the files.

    Apps that support the document picker could also easily access the files :)

    I also hope iOS 'cuts' the iTunes dependency.

    iOS could easily 'serve' all apps documents folders using SMB to 'trusted' devices. Instant wireless access using Finder, Windows Explorer to the files stored on the iOS device.

    iCloud/Cloud-Services is not the answer or solution to file transfers between iOS and other devices.
    (I mean sure it's nice in theory but when we're dealing with multiple GBs of data 'The Cloud' is not practical solution).

    Hmmmm.....

    https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/5/15739136/apple-files-app-ios-11-wwdc-2017

    Your late. :)

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