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Thank you. Enjoyed digging and inhabiting trenches in all weathers for a living. Again, have to thank Joc who miraculously raised levels from the whisper mode setting it had got stuck on. Cheers.
Late late entry, by the skin of the teeth etc... Post-rock experiment, probably not a keeper, but I might pilfer the melody in the refrain and reuse it at a later date. Lyrics in the spoiler.
If you want to nest with me
For my esteem, my company
We'll while away the endless days
And learn to love our awkward ways
It's not that clear, to you or me
We're both so lost and unhappy
We try to change each other's mind
Is it too late? Have we got time?
Take my hand and walk with me
We'll talk it through, and then maybe
We'll choose to go our separate ways
Cos life is short, and nothing stays
It's not that clear, to you or me
We're both so lost and unhappy
We try to change each other's mind
Is it too late? Have we got time?
@richardyot, nice sad ballad. Good lyrics and melody, and great synth layering work: I like how you take these sounds to the front of the mix between the verses. The synth outro is simply great - is it FabFilter Volcano? Thumbs up!
@Orne33e Yes, good to receive a reminder that 'there's more than black and white. Grey areas: sometimes welcome, sometimes not. A welcome to you to this here Club. Two paces make complete musical sense in this song. They have a purpose and reason for their differences. A change of tempo during the song normally ensure a tried and tested route to dynamic spikedom (if done with thought/care. Like you have) and with no excess fat to trim away, you are giving us that special space you mentioned. Experiencing emotion through another's song (art) is way up the list imo. Yeah, musical skills (playing/technicals) that lay comfortably alongside the other basics/footings, play huge parts but without a heart: are we robots programmed to press buttons? You have heart, and can write a good song. No doubt about that.
Thanks - No Volcano used on this track, the synth textures are created with two instances of GB Alchemy and three instances of Phonem to create those vocal-like sounds. It's all mushed together in a kind of harmonic soup, half music, half texture.
@crouchie probably not the reference you were expecting but the bass intro gave me a slight feel of Fugazi's Waiting Room, in that it's a cool riff with a nice tight bass sound.
The vocals need to come up, they're way too quiet and it's a shame because the performance and the melody are excellent - no issues with reverb to my ears. Lovely "Oh0Ohhs" as well. I really like the vocal delivery in this one, and the timbre of your voice. The words are quite hard to follow due to the levels, so I'm not really sure what you're singing about.
The instrumental sections might need some more focus, or some more hooky melodies because I don't think they're as good as the vocal sections, but overall I really liked the track, just needs a little bit more production love to really make it shine.
Just a thought: would you let me remix this? And maybe add some additional musical parts?
@Bartlinux there's some nice stuff going on in that track, but for the amount of actual musical content/ideas you have in there it's just waaayyyy too long. You could trim that down to 3 minutes (or less) and not lose a thing. The outro in particular is not adding anything to the track, just drags it out.
Having said that I did like the bass line and the overall atmosphere, the sounds were well chosen as well, but having listened to it once I didn't really want to listen again, I'd got the idea after 9 minutes
Some editing and trimming would definitely help this song so that's it's more focused and listener-friendly.
I'd be delighted! V kind. How is it best to get it to u? (And if u have a Magic way of making my vocal sound decent I'd be over the moon!). Cheers
@Bluepunk Love it!
Punk with modern sounds, the first was a Sleaford Mods sounding rant with a punk but modernist bass and a great bass drum.
Second version sounded like Slaves jumped into the studio and gave it all a HAVE A BIT OF THAT YOU BARSTARDS menace. In, out, shake it all about, 80 seconds that's it, BYE!
@richardyot I've definitely got time for this. Great menacing keyboard sounds, like a herd of zombies n vampires are chatting. The vocals reminded me of Psychedelic Furs tone. I felt they started to waver off a bit towards the end of the song - maybe a little more confidence in the delivery.
Thouroughly enjoyable
@DefRobot
Thank you! For the bells at the end, like also the marimba, I was lucky to know somebody who is playing percussion in the royal danish military orchestra so I could go and record real tubular bells.
Just had the time to listen to your song and I like it a lot! Like @JohnnyGoodyear said absolutely True Detective atmosphere. Great vocals and choir, just think the drums could be more in front.
@DefRobot. Thank you. Those Sleafords were at the forefront of this idea. Well spotted.
A belting intro to yours. What a twist, and immaculately timed. Got that flavour you've created so naturally running through your music again. Only heard of one other place that has your 'Stetsons and Siri' vibe and a pilgrimage to that place next year will unearth who's patent it is. You hold all the cards. Haven't heard a three legged horse rhythm for furlongs now. The 'clip, clop, clap ....pause, is inside your tune, glueing from in to out. Clever. Been following your Q and A sessions, and hear in this tune how your inquisitive/eager to learn nature had paid dividends. Like that. Art work is red and your lyrics have shades of Blue. Can I feel the blue side? You bet and look forward to any vocal explosions into that territory.
Chorus hooks, musical interest, professional techy stuff, and most importantly: FELT. Especially those words. Oh yeah. You're good at this music making thing and you have style
The sort of song I might write and be pleased that Mrs. Goodyear never listens to my rambling. Too much explaining about 'it's the art, not the man' would be required....well done Skipper for keeping the streak alive, there was some whispering and worry in the back room, but we never really doubted you. Honest.
As you indicated I think this is a song sketch which has lots of potential, but could probably benefit from three months in the drawer. More than anything your vocal work has improved so much over recent times that this one feels as though you didn't have as much time or weren't as motivated to take it from good outline to final mix etc.
I know, hoisting you somewhat on your own petard, but that's the price of getting better
I do love the sound at the end. However you got that hold on to it, will come in handy somewhere, for sure.
@Orne33e Thanks for comments, I'm gonna have to check this True Detective out.
Yeah, coulda pushed the drums more, but I felt it wasn't a drum led song in that way...
@Bluepunk Thank you sir! I think there's definitely theme developing for the songs I like making.
I do like at least some emotion in the music I listen to.
Felt like I managed to get a waltz feel within a 4/4 time, so I was pleased with that aspect. Will let this one stew and start anew.
@bluepunk Thanks so much Kev for your epic review of my track mate!
@Richardyot Musically I love everything but the snare. That's a personal taste thing so please ignore. I loved the evolving soundscapes in the background! It sounded like what I imagine the eye of a hurricane might.
Lyrics are cool and the melody is...alright. (could use some work imho)
I often find with your songs Richard, that it's the music that moves me more than the lyrics,melody. That's just how your songs reach me I guess. There's nothing wrong with that, it's just an observation. You write bloody good, atmospheric music.
There’s a phrase, “sitzfleisch”, which means just plain sitting on your ass and getting it done. Just showing up for work. My uncle Raphael was a painter, and he used to say, “If the muse is late for work, start without her”. You have to be there. You have to be there, and do it, and grind it out, even when it is grinding and you know you’re probably going to rewrite all this tomorrow. (Peter S. Beagle)
@richardyot Snappy snares on offer. Adjusted the throw between on/off a few times, and your fills, fill the right places in your forever improving drum track. Important that snare sound. Would a dead/baggy/ghosty tub choice have given the same cut as yours?... on a dream track such as yours? Someone on here may know. Being a drummer of sorts, if you were to point your Gibson straight between the eyes to force a decision on this..... I'm with you.
When you rob the melody (definitely), inside your coat pocket, slip the 'thrown off" snare in for good measure as well. The 'on' (or is that a side stick?) may benefit from less snap, more sandpaper but I'd much rather hear the thing than it hiding away behind things of string.
An intoxicating hazy vagueness is the music. A variation on your style.... but staying true to your musical DNA. The refrain is worth a song on its own. Steal and guard.
A keeper it be. Letting it rest and breathe on the window sill, (encouraging new growth) will also give you time to do the same. Revisiting when enough time and air, could unearth something else to knick. By then, it could be the whole caboodle. With all this talk of thieving, it is the red of Manchester you prefer and NOT Liverpool? Don't break the chain? Was never in doubt/Had me worried for a moment.
I'm not really sure how many songs I've written to date, must be about 30 by now, and out of those 30 there are maybe 4 decent vocal melodies in my opinion - a more impartial judge may well have the tally much lower
I went through this whole process of progression before, in my work as an illustrator: I just just really sucked for the longest time - more than a decade, and then eventually something somewhere clicked and the stuff I was doing became much better almost overnight. I can't explain what happened, how it came about or what changed, the only thing I do know is that I simply kept working at it and eventually something just happened..
So the main purpose of SOTMC for me is simply a way of forcing that process of production, making me write a new song every month in the full knowledge that almost everything I do will be discarded, but hoping that the process will eventually yield something good. It might take time
But the way I feel with music now is very similar to the way I felt before my illustration work clicked, I'm experimenting, not really knowing what I'm looking for, not really sure what's missing, but knowing that it's just not quite there yet. And of course there's still lots of technical issues to work on: vocals still need much improvement etc... But I'm hoping at some point that that I'll make a similar kind of breakthrough that I did in illustration. Of course, maybe it will never happen.
So it's a bit of a long post just to say I agree with you, and I appreciate your honesty (I prefer the truth to flattery any day). But I'm working on it.
Johnny knows what I'm on about, the sitzfleisch quote says it all.
This is why I'm loving this club. Such a friendly place, with lots of great advice.
It has spurred me on to be more productive.
For every idea I finish each month, there are also 2 or 3 other new bits I've put on the backburner.
So that's at LEAST 12 completed songs a year. Enough for a (dodgy) album.
Long live the SOTMC!
Haven't had a chance to listen to any others yet, but will do. Bit of a late skin of the teeth one for me...started life as a Gadget track, with a bit of Patterning and some FX recorded live into Audioshare via AUM. Then I had another jam with some sample manglers, again recorded live via AUM. The two (in tempo) tracks were then quickly superimposed on the PC using SoundForge. Less weird and manic than my usual thoroughfare:
@Alex fox It's a nice instrumental, interestingly enough I enjoyed it a lot more when not watching the video, but just playing the track on SoundCloud, maybe because it helped me focus on the actual music. Some nice melodies in there and a cool bouncy groove, and a happy vibe overall. A soundtrack to a summer movie.
@fattigman couldn't review your track as it seems to have been removed.
Yes, sorry, I removed it because I have some new ideas for it and I wanted to make a video with Lumafusion. It will be up again for july.
@LemurFlight the video is beautifully shot, especially the first half. Looks Scandinavian, or perhaps North American (somewhere cold anyway), and some of tracking shots are pretty incredible if they were done on a phone.
I liked the feel of the track, downtempo and chilled, but I would have liked a greater sense of progression and more in the way of melodic ideas/variation, because it's quite a static piece and doesn't really have much in the way of surprises once it gets going.
(I see from your later post that it was shot in Finland, and the stabilisation was done in post, pretty remarkable for phone footage.)
OK, see you in July then
@Tarekith that's a very nice downtempo track, shades of Thievery Corporation to it, the simple beat is surprisingly funky and I liked the laid-back minimalism. The sample is cool, the bass line is excellent, and the instruments that weave in and out are very nice, especially the melodic part that comes in at the end.
My only complain really are that the intro and outro are both too long. I would cut the intro drums and just come right in with drums and bass, and make the fade at the end much shorter (the louder samples at the very death don't really add anything IMO).
But it's a great tune with a really good sound and vibe.
@Orne33e I had some conflicting thoughts and feelings when listening to this, because there's so much there that's good, but the vibe of the song doesn't really seem to gel with the lyrics.
Firstly the good: it's a great musical performance, wonderful live playing, very recorded and good production. The singing is also of a high standard, so the overall performances were excellent - especially as this is live music with no overdubs.
But the problem for me is that the lyric is a obviously dark and sad, but the music just doesn't seem to fit that vibe. The guitar and the horn are acting more like musical wallpaper instead of trying to communicate the emotion of the song (IMO of course). I would prefer it if the horn for example was playing simpler, but more focused and emotional, melodies that were more in fitting with the vibe of the lyrics. Same for the guitar, maybe slower sparser playing with more spaces to hit me emotionally.
Essentially it feels more technically adept (which it is in spades) but perhaps misses the mark emotionally because you get the feeling the musicians are concentrating on how they're playing rather than what the listener should be feeling.
As is often the case (one of the good things about this friendly exercise) someone else has put into better words what I originally felt. You do have a good song here (and a worthy one, whatever that means), but I want you to sing it two hundred times until it's rooted into your central nervous system and then I want to put you in a dark room without any kind of food but your memories for a day or two and then, when on the point of exhaustion and utter stripped-down honesty, perhaps close to fierce tears, I want you to record the vocal again five or six times in a row. After that you can go off and sleep while a good producer comps together the best version
@DefRobot very cool song, I love the harmony intro, great vocal, great vocal melodies.
I really like the contrast between the more menacing delivery in the verses and the harmony-drenched chorus. Nice growling guitars, angular melodic lines dripping with atmosphere, and a great overall dark vibe.
Production is excellent, everything is clear and sounds like a professional recording. Great job and great song.