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Do I need Beatmaker 3?

Can't help taking notice of the unprecedented hype and excitement around the BM3 release.

My process is Gadget and Cubasis with projects eventually being finalised / mixed in Ableton live. I've recently got into sample one shots and MIDI sequencing through the Elektron Digitakt.

What would be the advantages of adding BM3 into my workflow?

Thanks!

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  • @Artefact2001 said:
    Can't help taking notice of the unprecedented hype and excitement around the BM3 release.

    My process is Gadget and Cubasis with projects eventually being finalised / mixed in Ableton live. I've recently got into sample one shots and MIDI sequencing through the Elektron Digitakt.

    What would be the advantages of adding BM3 into my workflow?

    Thanks!

    I have Digitakt too, and one usefull thing in BM3 is timestretching samples to match you Digi tempo or key/pitch. Also you can trigger the pads in BM3 from the Digi's MIDI tracks. Thats 8 channels of timestretched stereo samples added to every Digitakt pattern :dizzy:

  • edited July 2017

    I'd say you've got a good workflow already. The advantages of getting BM3, for one it's on sale, and secondly, you might get tracks finished in less time.

  • Good question. Since I haven't any of yours I only can talk about previous apps covered with this.
    To me seems a mix between modstep with audio loops (eureka) like garageband with the flexible routing of AUM plus sidechainning and also amazing sampler instrument. I bought it to deal with timestretching songs for remix them and make use of sidechain and so.
    Also I wonder the possibility to use it as scene launch looper but ATM no midi control over that so useless like garageband for my live gigging purposes.
    Seems like the missing Mainstage for iOS or Ableton 5 with AU expansion...

    I'm on mini4 and it seems solid like AUM in my eyes over the time I've expent on it which wasn't so much.

    It helps you? Can I do any test or so to help?

  • edited July 2017

    Personally I binned cubasis for now. Only reason Auria is still on my iPad is for the fabfilters plugs I own. So unless I cannot access my desktop with ableton Auria will have to do. Bm3 seems to have replaced Aum in my usual modstep+Aum setup. Having a daw that has ableton link is a godsend for recording stuff in perfect time. Also. It's the closest to ableton I have ever gotten on iOS.
    Also automating Aus by just moving the knobs on the Au itself is a dream come true.

  • There is a really simple formula to this. The amount of music apps you need is

    n+1

    n being the amount you currently own

  • @jn2002dk said:
    There is a really simple formula to this. The amount of music apps you need is

    n+1

    n being the amount you currently own

    (n+1/iOS11)+($/t)= Nirvana

    where $ is the urge to replace apps killed by iOS11 and t is urgency-patience factor that is so apparent in iOS musicians.

  • Is it worth buying it for the sampler and to use it to host instruments and add fx but be sequenced from KRFT. Like using Audiobus or AUM.

  • edited July 2017

    @mireko_2 said:
    I have Digitakt too, and one usefull thing in BM3 is timestretching samples to match you Digi tempo or key/pitch. Also you can trigger the pads in BM3 from the Digi's MIDI tracks. Thats 8 channels of timestretched stereo samples added to every Digitakt pattern :dizzy:

    This sounds pretty sweet!

    @gonekrazy3000 said:
    Personally I binned cubasis for now. Only reason Auria is still on my iPad is for the fabfilters plugs I own. So unless I cannot access my desktop with ableton Auria will have to do. Bm3 seems to have replaced Aum in my usual modstep+Aum setup. Having a daw that has ableton link is a godsend for recording stuff in perfect time. Also. It's the closest to ableton I have ever gotten on iOS.
    Also automating Aus by just moving the knobs on the Au itself is a dream come true.

    Ableton Link and Automation record sounds like it could be useful. can you draw in automation fo AUs?

  • @Artefact2001 said:

    @mireko_2 said:
    I have Digitakt too, and one usefull thing in BM3 is timestretching samples to match you Digi tempo or key/pitch. Also you can trigger the pads in BM3 from the Digi's MIDI tracks. Thats 8 channels of timestretched stereo samples added to every Digitakt pattern :dizzy:

    This sounds pretty sweet!

    @gonekrazy3000 said:
    Personally I binned cubasis for now. Only reason Auria is still on my iPad is for the fabfilters plugs I own. So unless I cannot access my desktop with ableton Auria will have to do. Bm3 seems to have replaced Aum in my usual modstep+Aum setup. Having a daw that has ableton link is a godsend for recording stuff in perfect time. Also. It's the closest to ableton I have ever gotten on iOS.
    Also automating Aus by just moving the knobs on the Au itself is a dream come true.

    Ableton Link and Automation record sounds like it could be useful. can you draw in automation fo AUs?

    Yes.

  • I was wondering about the same thing. For a while I felt like the only person with no real desire to get it.

  • You are not alone.

  • I think everyone needs BM3 because there's no any other way to make music on iPad :smiley: I can't use all my 100500 music apps for this without BM3 :blush:

  • @5pinlink said:
    If you need a good sampler then get it, if you dont, dont bother, a lot of bm3 feels rushed to get it out, if they dont update it A LOT, it will be just a good sampler, there are better apps for everything else it does right now.

    >

    How refreshing to read an unbiased honest review.

    I've been waiting to read something that tells - or better still shows - me why this app was so anticipated by so many. But ISTM that it's just as you describe.

  • Can I ask a question here as I might lose the answer on one of the busier BM3 threads - is it possible to use the sampler like a traditional keyboard sampler, ie with samples spread across the keyboard and with velocity layers, etc.?

  • @Artefact2001 said:
    Can't help taking notice of the unprecedented hype and excitement around the BM3 release.

    My process is Gadget and Cubasis with projects eventually being finalised / mixed in Ableton live. I've recently got into sample one shots and MIDI sequencing through the Elektron Digitakt.

    What would be the advantages of adding BM3 into my workflow?

    Thanks!

    Yes, you do if you are into advanced sampling, sample layering etc. Gadget or Cubasis don't come close in that department.

  • A musician without BM3 is like a fish without a bike seat?

  • @5pinlink said:

    @Zen210507 said:

    @5pinlink said:
    If you need a good sampler then get it, if you dont, dont bother, a lot of bm3 feels rushed to get it out, if they dont update it A LOT, it will be just a good sampler, there are better apps for everything else it does right now.

    >

    How refreshing to read an unbiased honest review.

    I've been waiting to read something that tells - or better still shows - me why this app was so anticipated by so many. But ISTM that it's just as you describe.

    I may have phrased this wrong, I am only speaking in the current tense, right now this is a power sampler, best one on IOS, few of the right updates and this is a power DAW, and could easily be the best on any platform, if you are a performer or like to arrange by performing, but nobody should buy anything for what 'Could be'

    I'm agreed with @5pinlink so Timestretching, sidechain, advanced bussing, AU/IAA host... these are few awesome actual features.

  • @PhilW said:
    Can I ask a question here as I might lose the answer on one of the busier BM3 threads - is it possible to use the sampler like a traditional keyboard sampler, ie with samples spread across the keyboard and with velocity layers, etc.?

    I think so Phil. I haven't tried it yet, but for sure I see:
    1. It is super easy to make a single sample into a pitched instrument spread across the range of keyboard
    2. The demo song has a nice electric piano with multiple samples and I think velocity layers too.

    So presumably #2 can be made by a user. Not sure how hard it would be.

  • @PhilW this "Editor" help page has all the details. https://intua.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/210181346-Editor-View

    There's an emphasis on beat sampling in BM3 so you have to look for the explanation of instrument making. Nonetheless, it is all there. Velocity layering too!

  • Thanks for the answers.

  • Midi Users Proceed with Caution :

    I'm impressed with new BM3 , especially the Sampler & Audio options .
    The fact each of 128 pads within a bank can be a full instrument C-2 -C8 is impressive ,
    except that the midi for each is in the SAME single pattern .
    Not only is it a little clumsy to switch between each pad's midi editor , but I want to trigger them individually .

    As primarily a midi sequencing guy , who even likes separate tracks/patterns for individual drum instruments ( kick,snare, hats ..) I am disappointed to realise if I want to use each Bank as a separate midi pattern , there are only 8 banks = only 8 midi patterns at once .

    I hope @mathieugarcia reads my request for more Banks, or could each Pad's midi pattern be separately added to Sequencer view for individual triggering .

    So although an amazing achievement for sampling/audio , I would warn Midi users of this effectively 8 pattern limit .
    Please correct me if wrong , I'd be happy to learn more discrete midi patterns was possible now .

  • Each pad in BM3 can have individual Midi In/Out's(Port & Channel) if needed.

  • @robosardine said:
    I was wondering about the same thing. For a while I felt like the only person with no real desire to get it.

    No one needs BM3...
    The only thing we really need is:
    1. a good bed.
    2. Something healthy to eat.
    3. Roof over our heads.
    Everything above on daily basis...

    But, if you wish to have something extra in your life, and like music, an iPad and a couple of nice apps will improve your life tremendously...
    Beatmaker 3 will be one of that apps. Period.

  • edited July 2017

    @Samu said:
    Each pad in BM3 can have individual Midi In/Out's(Port & Channel) if needed.

    please explain how to set this up. Preferably with pictures. i seem to be unable to do it as well. I'm probably just being blind. and while you're at it. how do i edit the midi patterns per pad ? they play back just fine but for some reason the midi sequencer only shows me the notes of the most recently recorded pad. when i go to the other pad hosting the instrument its completely blank (but still playing back normally.) a bug maybe in the release version ?

  • addendum : ok , switching between at least each 16 pad block isnt as clunky now I realise you can use the midtop right keyboard/pad icon to select different pad within same page .

    But I attach photo just to demonstrate to those interested , so the midi pattern shows the notes for pad 3 , there is also another pattern for pad 1 ..
    there can be 128 midi patterns , each one full note range for each pad , nested within one Bank Midi Pattern , but it functions as 1 single pattern within the sequencer .

  • @samu not sure if you were addressing my point , but I'm referring to the ability to trigger each Pad /instrument 's midi pattern individually in the Sequencer view .

    @gonekrazy3000 I think we're referring to the same issue here , but fear it's part of design , not a bug .
    you can switch view of each pad's midi part using Keyboard icon to change to pad view then select different pad on left then tap keyboard again for midi ,
    but the issue is there are up to 128 midi "pad parts " nested within 1midi pattern in Sequencer view .

  • @Wally said:
    addendum : ok , switching between at least each 16 pad block isnt as clunky now I realise you can use the midtop right keyboard/pad icon to select different pad within same page .

    But I attach photo just to demonstrate to those interested , so the midi pattern shows the notes for pad 3 , there is also another pattern for pad 1 ..
    there can be 128 midi patterns , each one full note range for each pad , nested within one Bank Midi Pattern , but it functions as 1 single pattern within the sequencer .

    Click the small midi keyboard on the right. It let's you map the notes for whatever pad is currently selected. But yeah. Int rh sequencer it just shows as one block.

  • @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @Samu said:
    Each pad in BM3 can have individual Midi In/Out's(Port & Channel) if needed.

    please explain how to set this up. Preferably with pictures. i seem to be unable to do it as well. I'm probably just being blind. and while you're at it. how do i edit the midi patterns per pad ? they play back just fine but for some reason the midi sequencer only shows me the notes of the most recently recorded pad. when i go to the other pad hosting the instrument its completely blank (but still playing back normally.) a bug maybe in the release version ?

    When you're in the Pad-Editor.
    Tap the 3 vertical dots menu under the mini-pads right of the pad name and go to Midi Setup.

    You need to have something loaded on the pad to 'enable' the midi settings(load a sample and turn down the volume). 'Pure Midi Pads & Tracks' will come in an update though as far as I know.

  • @Wally said:
    @samu not sure if you were addressing my point , but I'm referring to the ability to trigger each Pad /instrument 's midi pattern individually in the Sequencer view .

    @gonekrazy3000 I think we're referring to the same issue here , but fear it's part of design , not a bug .
    you can switch view of each pad's midi part using Keyboard icon to change to pad view then select different pad on left then tap keyboard again for midi ,
    but the issue is there are up to 128 midi "pad parts " nested within 1midi pattern in Sequencer view .

    I honestly hope they let you expand the bank view in the sequencer later. Would very much like to be able to see the individual midi notes per pad in the song mode.but it's a minor annoyance now that I understand how it works. I like that you can indeed manually select separate midi channels per pad. I think this might take a few days for me to wrap my brain around fully but I can definitely see the appeal. My launchpad pro absolutely loves the app.

  • @Samu said:

    @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @Samu said:
    Each pad in BM3 can have individual Midi In/Out's(Port & Channel) if needed.

    please explain how to set this up. Preferably with pictures. i seem to be unable to do it as well. I'm probably just being blind. and while you're at it. how do i edit the midi patterns per pad ? they play back just fine but for some reason the midi sequencer only shows me the notes of the most recently recorded pad. when i go to the other pad hosting the instrument its completely blank (but still playing back normally.) a bug maybe in the release version ?

    When you're in the Pad-Editor.
    Tap the 3 vertical dots menu under the mini-pads right of the pad name and go to Midi Setup.

    You need to have something loaded on the pad to 'enable' the midi settings(load a sample and turn down the volume). 'Pure Midi Pads & Tracks' will come in an update though as far as I know.

    I actually got it before you posted lol. Further query. In song mode is there a way to separate the lanes per pad and show the entire midi ? The general overview kind of sucks for nested instruments.

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