Do I need Beatmaker 3?

Samu

@gonekrazy3000 said:

@Wally said:
@samu not sure if you were addressing my point , but I'm referring to the ability to trigger each Pad /instrument 's midi pattern individually in the Sequencer view .

@gonekrazy3000 I think we're referring to the same issue here , but fear it's part of design , not a bug .
you can switch view of each pad's midi part using Keyboard icon to change to pad view then select different pad on left then tap keyboard again for midi ,
but the issue is there are up to 128 midi "pad parts " nested within 1midi pattern in Sequencer view .

I honestly hope they let you expand the bank view in the sequencer later. Would very much like to be able to see the individual midi notes per pad in the song mode.but it's a minor annoyance now that I understand how it works. I like that you can indeed manually select separate midi channels per pad. I think this might take a few days for me to wrap my brain around fully but I can definitely see the appeal. My launchpad pro absolutely loves the app.

I requested that early on as I too would love to see each bank treated as a 'folder with tracks' in the main sequencer.

gonekrazy3000

@Samu said:

@gonekrazy3000 said:

@Wally said:
@samu not sure if you were addressing my point , but I'm referring to the ability to trigger each Pad /instrument 's midi pattern individually in the Sequencer view .

@gonekrazy3000 I think we're referring to the same issue here , but fear it's part of design , not a bug .
you can switch view of each pad's midi part using Keyboard icon to change to pad view then select different pad on left then tap keyboard again for midi ,
but the issue is there are up to 128 midi "pad parts " nested within 1midi pattern in Sequencer view .

I honestly hope they let you expand the bank view in the sequencer later. Would very much like to be able to see the individual midi notes per pad in the song mode.but it's a minor annoyance now that I understand how it works. I like that you can indeed manually select separate midi channels per pad. I think this might take a few days for me to wrap my brain around fully but I can definitely see the appeal. My launchpad pro absolutely loves the app.

I requested that early on as I too would love to see each bank treated as a 'folder with tracks' in the main sequencer.

It's a request that is pretty essential actually. Later on while moving stuff around it's quite difficult to remember which instruments are kicking in where. Might actually be forced to just using 7 instruments other than the drums

frejahel

@Wally said:
addendum : ok , switching between at least each 16 pad block isnt as clunky now I realise you can use the midtop right keyboard/pad icon to select different pad within same page .

But I attach photo just to demonstrate to those interested , so the midi pattern shows the notes for pad 3 , there is also another pattern for pad 1 ..
there can be 128 midi patterns , each one full note range for each pad , nested within one Bank Midi Pattern , but it functions as 1 single pattern within the sequencer .

A question on the same matter. There is no such thing as saving instruments, right? So if I want to use one bass instrument and one lead instrument (saved as two separate banks, which is the only option it seems to save whole instruments with their samples mapped out..?) , do I have to create two separate banks and then go into the editor to copy the pads so I have both instruments inside a single bank?

Samu

@gonekrazy3000 said:

It's a request that is pretty essential actually. Later on while moving stuff around it's quite difficult to remember which instruments are kicking in where. Might actually be forced to just using 7 instruments other than the drums

I'm so used to working with Trackers(Renoise) I seldom think 'time-line' and moving individual tracks or sections from one pattern to another for arrangement purposes

But since I also use Logic 'Folder Tracks' is something I'm quite used to so in BM3 everything is already 'In a Folder' but the 'Expand Button' is missing...

[Deleted User]

@Tritonman said:
A musician without BM3 is like a fish without a bike seat?

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You are on form today, sir.

Wally

@gonekrazy3000 said:

@Samu said:

@gonekrazy3000 said:

@Wally said:
@samu not sure if you were addressing my point , but I'm referring to the ability to trigger each Pad /instrument 's midi pattern individually in the Sequencer view .

@gonekrazy3000 I think we're referring to the same issue here , but fear it's part of design , not a bug .
you can switch view of each pad's midi part using Keyboard icon to change to pad view then select different pad on left then tap keyboard again for midi ,
but the issue is there are up to 128 midi "pad parts " nested within 1midi pattern in Sequencer view .

I honestly hope they let you expand the bank view in the sequencer later. Would very much like to be able to see the individual midi notes per pad in the song mode.but it's a minor annoyance now that I understand how it works. I like that you can indeed manually select separate midi channels per pad. I think this might take a few days for me to wrap my brain around fully but I can definitely see the appeal. My launchpad pro absolutely loves the app.

I requested that early on as I too would love to see each bank treated as a 'folder with tracks' in the main sequencer.

It's a request that is pretty essential actually. Later on while moving stuff around it's quite difficult to remember which instruments are kicking in where. Might actually be forced to just using 7 instruments other than the drums

Yes, I can't use BM3 as my main midi sequencer without more than 8 individually triggerable patterns . It's very disappointing . I looked forward to the Scenes triggering but only 8 " effective " patterns is a dealbreaker for midi , & seems a step backwards from what was possible on BM2 .
I realise each pad has a Mute button & individual Mixer Track , so maybe you could use the audio to bring more parts in & out per Scene , but not only would it be too complex for me having all these nested midi parts playing at once , but I would still miss the ability to juxtapose different patterns on the fly , as they are all nested in same Bank Pattern .

Tritonman

@ErrkaPetti said:

@robosardine said:
I was wondering about the same thing. For a while I felt like the only person with no real desire to get it.

No one needs BM3...
The only thing we really need is:
1. a good bed.
2. Something healthy to eat.
3. Roof over our heads.
Everything above on daily basis...

But, if you wish to have something extra in your life, and like music, an iPad and a couple of nice apps will improve your life tremendously...
Beatmaker 3 will be one of that apps. Period.

Tritonman

The eight bank limit was just talked about n the main BM3 thread by the developer, check it out.

Tritonman

He said that the scene option was kept simple for the initial release,
Here ya go, not a lot for now but it will take some time no doubt.

• For the initial release, we kept the Scene mode simple and straightforward, as we consider it more of live / sketch board rather than a true alternative to the classic song editor, for now. It will evolve positively as we go!

lukesleepwalker

Yes, but the best sampler on iOS and worth $20 (once transient detection returns, etc).

eross

@PhilW said:
Can I ask a question here as I might lose the answer on one of the busier BM3 threads - is it possible to use the sampler like a traditional keyboard sampler, ie with samples spread across the keyboard and with velocity layers, etc.?

yes you can. and later samples as well. the sound design options on this are very comparable to desktop programs. i'm loving this thing.

jwmmakerofmusic

I've recently got into sample one shots and MIDI sequencing through the Elektron Digitakt.

Based on your workflow, I'd say BM3 might be right up your alley. It has a pretty great folder system (very on par with AudioShare), and real time stretching is a major bonus. Gadget's Bilbao sampler has far less features than Beatmaker 3's sampler, and you're allowed to load as many effects (both internal and AU) as you please, limited only by your processor.

Beathawk may be another route to take. Despite its sampler being far less featured with no real internal effects so to speak, Beathawk has realtime time stretching. The advantage BH has over BM3 is BH can be loaded into Cubasis as an AU and played either in drumpad mode or keyboard mode.

For me, BH as an AU in BM3=perfection. That's just my personal workflow though.

jwmmakerofmusic

@5pinlink said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
and you're allowed to load as many effects (both internal and AU) as you please, limited only by your processor.

This isn't strictly true, BM3 sampler layers has only 4 effects slots and only 4 effects available, the Pads have unlimited effects, from the full range of available internal effects and AUV3.
hopefully they will add that support to sample layers too.

The banks also have unlimited effects. Hopefully layers can have those unlimited effects updates. Cheers.

Samu

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@5pinlink said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
and you're allowed to load as many effects (both internal and AU) as you please, limited only by your processor.

This isn't strictly true, BM3 sampler layers has only 4 effects slots and only 4 effects available, the Pads have unlimited effects, from the full range of available internal effects and AUV3.
hopefully they will add that support to sample layers too.

The banks also have unlimited effects. Hopefully layers can have those unlimited effects updates. Cheers.

Pads have unlimited effects too

stemshade

@5pinlink said:
That's about scenes though, not the 8 bank/pattern limitation.
I assumed by that comment that he mean't, that is why the scene mode cant be recorded to the arranger for on the fly arrangements, but then i have never met anybody who asked or needed a live/sketch board vs a good arranger.
In fact Intua are mirroring NI completely here, instead of actually creating a good arranger, they have created what NI call Idea Mode and Intua call Scene mode, both exactly the same thing, and both near useless because they cant record to the arrangement for on the fly creation.
NI are admittedly working on it, Intua possibly not from what he is saying.
BM3 is just a sampler to me until i see any interest from the developers to go beyond that.

the scene mode seems useful to me. arrange scenes to see what works best with others and kind of blueprint your song and then bring those into the timeline fairly quickly. kind of like a quick preview that's way easier to deal with than a timeline. but admittedly i'm more of a timeline kind of guy and see scenes as part of the brainstorming - pre-production part.

Daath7

Yes you need it now! You know your gonna do it so do it while it's on sale!

LucidMusicInc

In order to satisfy curiosity, you need this app!

kobamoto

need maybe not but useful definitely as additional perspectives are always rewarding in the creative realm. Even though bm2 is not the most fluid workflow I keep it around for that occasion when it's just the right perspective. In this way just about everything is useful. personally I find it impossible to make the same song on different equipment and find that aspect very valuable, and to get it for $20bucks is a bonus.

Littlewoodg

@5pinlink said:
That's about scenes though, not the 8 bank/pattern limitation.
I assumed by that comment that he mean't, that is why the scene mode cant be recorded to the arranger for on the fly arrangements, but then i have never met anybody who asked or needed a live/sketch board vs a good arranger.
In fact Intua are mirroring NI completely here, instead of actually creating a good arranger, they have created what NI call Idea Mode and Intua call Scene mode, both exactly the same thing, and both near useless because they cant record to the arrangement for on the fly creation.

This is incorrect, scene mode can be recorded into timeline by assigning the given scene to an audio tracks Input...

cian

@Littlewoodg said:

This is incorrect, scene mode can be recorded into timeline by assigning the given scene to an audio tracks Input...

I think they want to record the midi so they can polish it in the timeline

[Deleted User]

@vpich said:

@5pinlink said:
That's about scenes though, not the 8 bank/pattern limitation.
I assumed by that comment that he mean't, that is why the scene mode cant be recorded to the arranger for on the fly arrangements, but then i have never met anybody who asked or needed a live/sketch board vs a good arranger.
In fact Intua are mirroring NI completely here, instead of actually creating a good arranger, they have created what NI call Idea Mode and Intua call Scene mode, both exactly the same thing, and both near useless because they cant record to the arrangement for on the fly creation.
NI are admittedly working on it, Intua possibly not from what he is saying.
BM3 is just a sampler to me until i see any interest from the developers to go beyond that.

the scene mode seems useful to me. arrange scenes to see what works best with others and kind of blueprint your song and then bring those into the timeline fairly quickly. kind of like a quick preview that's way easier to deal with than a timeline. but admittedly i'm more of a timeline kind of guy and see scenes as part of the brainstorming - pre-production part.

How do you bring the scene into the timeline?

stemshade

@triton100 said:

@vpich said:

@5pinlink said:
That's about scenes though, not the 8 bank/pattern limitation.
I assumed by that comment that he mean't, that is why the scene mode cant be recorded to the arranger for on the fly arrangements, but then i have never met anybody who asked or needed a live/sketch board vs a good arranger.
In fact Intua are mirroring NI completely here, instead of actually creating a good arranger, they have created what NI call Idea Mode and Intua call Scene mode, both exactly the same thing, and both near useless because they cant record to the arrangement for on the fly creation.
NI are admittedly working on it, Intua possibly not from what he is saying.
BM3 is just a sampler to me until i see any interest from the developers to go beyond that.

the scene mode seems useful to me. arrange scenes to see what works best with others and kind of blueprint your song and then bring those into the timeline fairly quickly. kind of like a quick preview that's way easier to deal with than a timeline. but admittedly i'm more of a timeline kind of guy and see scenes as part of the brainstorming - pre-production part.

How do you bring the scene into the timeline?

Once the clip is selected you go to timeline view and forget exactly which button pastes it where the "cursor" is at. Away from the ipad at the moment, forgive the vagueness

[Deleted User]

@Artefact2001 said:
Can't help taking notice of the unprecedented hype and excitement around the BM3 release.

My process is Gadget and Cubasis with projects eventually being finalised / mixed in Ableton live. I've recently got into sample one shots and MIDI sequencing through the Elektron Digitakt.

What would be the advantages of adding BM3 into my workflow?

Thanks!

@Artefact2001 said:
Can't help taking notice of the unprecedented hype and excitement around the BM3 release.

My process is Gadget and Cubasis with projects eventually being finalised / mixed in Ableton live. I've recently got into sample one shots and MIDI sequencing through the Elektron Digitakt.

What would be the advantages of adding BM3 into my workflow?

Thanks!

This was totally my question too. Have the same workflow as you.

I bought it anyway but I'm stil in two minds as to what advantages it brings.

Even though gadget needs a massive update for fundamental things it still lacks it is very intuitive and quick to create with. So far bm3 is not.

Gadget has pretty good synths which is the big appeal. Bm3 is just a sampler mainly. You still need to fuel it with sounds. Of course you can use AUs which is a plus. But the process of using bm3 to sample etc and then export out into gadget or cubasis just seems like a creativity killer.

Why record or sample all your gadget sequences into bm3 when you can just continue working in gadget ?

Bilbao lacks a lot of features but is still workable. The more I think about it the more I think staying in gadge and cubasis is way more productive for me.

I might come back to bm3 after they iron out the kinks

UPDATE: since spending some more time it's clear this app is pretty freaking cool. Just hasn't seemingly had the most comprehensive manual.

[Deleted User]

@vpich said:

@triton100 said:

@vpich said:

@5pinlink said:
That's about scenes though, not the 8 bank/pattern limitation.
I assumed by that comment that he mean't, that is why the scene mode cant be recorded to the arranger for on the fly arrangements, but then i have never met anybody who asked or needed a live/sketch board vs a good arranger.
In fact Intua are mirroring NI completely here, instead of actually creating a good arranger, they have created what NI call Idea Mode and Intua call Scene mode, both exactly the same thing, and both near useless because they cant record to the arrangement for on the fly creation.
NI are admittedly working on it, Intua possibly not from what he is saying.
BM3 is just a sampler to me until i see any interest from the developers to go beyond that.

the scene mode seems useful to me. arrange scenes to see what works best with others and kind of blueprint your song and then bring those into the timeline fairly quickly. kind of like a quick preview that's way easier to deal with than a timeline. but admittedly i'm more of a timeline kind of guy and see scenes as part of the brainstorming - pre-production part.

How do you bring the scene into the timeline?

Once the clip is selected you go to timeline view and forget exactly which button pastes it where the "cursor" is at. Away from the ipad at the moment, forgive the vagueness

Ok well it's good to know this can be done but how did you even know this as I can't find anything in the manual ?

stemshade

@triton100 don't remember where i read it. But just tried it. Select the clip, then go to timeline page and press right on the track where you want it to go.

RUST( i )K

I haven't needed a new app in a year and a half.

But spend $30-$45 per week on iTunes store

[Deleted User]

@5pinlink said:
@PhilW Note that the sample editor itself is full of bugs right now, the sample selection will just jump around all over the place when zoomed in, and then reset to full sample if you are zoomed in and delete a section of the sample (teething problems on a day one release to be expected)

The sampler editor doesn't jump around all over the place, it's been designed to automatically zooms in to the end and starting points of the slice to facilitate editing for creating loops.

wim

@vpich said:
@triton100 don't remember where i read it. But just tried it. Select the clip, then go to timeline page and press right on the track where you want it to go.

Buried in here: https://intua.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/210181486-Sequencer-View

Confusing as hell, but a good read.

Artefact2001

Think I'm nearly ready to pull the trigger on this, this app has a lot of love and it sounds like it's got some great potential in future.

Can it auto slice a drum loop and then save out as individual audio files?

PhilW

I am more interested in BM3 as a sampler than for its pattern/song features, so could I use this as a sampler instrument in say Cubasis? There is a lot if talk about BM3 hosting other instruments, but could BM3 be hosted? I'm guessing it would need to be Audiobus or maybe IAA.