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For this maybe ReSlice could be an AU alternative.
Thanks !
Not sure what you mean. Maybe you mean 2 different things by "arrangement".
Live launching of clips, in scene view, of each bank, can be recorded simultaneously as their own audio track into the arrangement view.
Separate stems on the timeline, in realtime, producing an arrangement across multiple tracks. Or are you talking about recording midi into the arrangement view?
That's what @cian was saying here, recording midi performances
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Does that work at the moment?
No!
Ok. So when you said Scene mode in BM3 can't record to the timeline for on the fly creation, you actually meant it can't record midi to the arrangement. Hardly "useless" as is, though I suspect with further inquiry we may find its possible to record midi cliplaunch style to the Arrange view as well
Bummer.
Yes
it does, if you want to record audio into the timeline from launching your clips in Scene view. (Which I do, and which is why as of BM3 I don't need 3 apps to do this) (recording midi into the timeline after creating sets of midi clips in Scene view isn't a workflow I use, so I don't really see the point of it. Especially given that you can copy midi clips from Scene mode manually, and play with that midi in the timeline view. But that's just me)
You create audio tracks for each bank and assign the input of each audio track to each of your banks. Then record each stem all at once or separately. If you record them seperately you can play those audio tracks from the arrange view as you use Scene view to play with your other midi clips. Material in both views can be played at the same time, which allows a lot of compositional experimentation, along with performance flexibility.
The thing requires a bit of study. Further study may also show that midi can be recorded cliplaunch style into timeline as well. (By using banks with midi clips assigned to pads?)
Some "bugs" and "missing features" mentioned on the 20 BM3 threads so far are actually not bugs and missing features but user error and misunderstanding.
Ah. Ok. Erm....that's good then? Sounds like the way Ableton works, which is what I'm looking for.
Ya that is what I was looking for.
It definitely good. It's fucking great.
It does the same thing as what I was using Genome (or KRFT) + AB3 (or Modstep using IAA) + a multitrack recording host (MTS, or AP or Cubasis)
Make midi clips in Scene mode using the banks, assign each bank to an audio track, and record seperately or all at once in real time, launching clips at will performance style, and you'll have your clips recorded, as launched, in the timeline as audio tracks.
The crazy thing is that it is set up to play tracks on both pages at once, clip launch tracks in Scene mode while other tracks in the timeline can play simultaneously. So the composition can be built up using both approaches, track by track if need be.
Thanks for the info. My resistance is almost zero now.
Yeah, the last point threw me off at first because I thought they were mutually exclusive. But wow, all kinds of possibility for building up tracks.
Curiosity got the better of me so I had to buy it. And OMG the sampler is amazing
Sorry about that. (Or, my pleasure). The more hands on deck the better I say. It a deep piece of software and the more people grappling, the better the info will be on the threads. And then there's the fact that its fucking cool. Shit hot and dead sexy.
The workflow is something like this:
Yeah I plan to investigate this. Not ideal though.
User error/misunderstanding is another way of saying UX fail.
It's one of the few iOS music-making apps that feels "pro" to me.
I get the workflow, and see why some might want it. I just don't use it. And not having it hardly makes the Scene view useless as was said elsewhere.
Or another way of saying that after one day of use we thought we were smarter than it, and we weren't. There's UX, and there's UX after spending more than a day with the soft and the manual. (We need one for this ). BM2s PDF was 80+ pages, this one will be bigger still.
Bit like me then.
I'm noticing that some of the forum regulars like yourself are giving this a big thumbs-up, which helps me make an informed decision.
How are they at fixing bugs? I didn't buy BM2, so don't know their track record.
Ableton live works in a different way. In Ableton live you're able to record a full session! means midi + Audio and any controller data.
To catch audio in the timeline is nice but it's really poor.
Ok, I see that. Still, capturing the audio means I can eject the original MIDI powered apps and maybe add some more and save on CPU. I do this with Ableton anyway - recording MIDI tracks to audio clips.
I'm an audio/sample kind of geezer anyway, so this would work fine for me.
I am pretty sure you will love it.
Every hour I use it the app opens up with more and more creative potential. As the scene fills out and FX are added I occasionally check the CPU meter. When I thought I must be close to maxxing out my 2017 ipad (using Cubasis experience as a metric) I checked and am only occasionally peaking at 50%. Once I do get to the point where things become tight on that end I know I can just work more creatively. There is an FX/bus ceiling that you can hit but then it seems like tons of leg room beneath it for creative flexibility and building out very solid tracks. Simply adding sounds doesn't seem to put much of a ding in it, FX are the overhead but the routing can be very clever and the ability to filter and sculpt at low to high levels is super powerful. It seems like there are lots of really well thought out sensible layers organised in a nice cpu friendly hierarchy.
Anyway, I just loaded it up with about 20,000 samples (close to 30 gigs) from various sample libraries to start with. The fact that you can have a huge amount of folders/subfolders is a big win. Organize it on PC then drag it on with just one step. Amazing. Super fast access to everything. Next I will be going through my coffers of more personal sounds on the PC and organizing a little library of pure Gus bits that have built up over the years and adding that.
Then I will just live only in Beatmaker3 for several months before even thinking of exporting to a daw for editing/polish etc. (The exporting is fantastic btw.) I feel pretty much zero desire to mess with AU / IAA synths or do any crazy routing to and from other apps etc, screw that. Komplete and Circuit will make a few guest appearances no doubt but I am just going to work with a library of samples and tracks living in BM3 running AU FX, nice and simple. Ahhhh... the good life.
Just to reiterate the exporting. I wanted to see how good it is at creating stems last night. Answer - absolutely f***ing fantastic. It will export at whatever level that you want/need.
It's definitely a great feature and getting closer to Ableton, but not quite the same as it's destructive and not a performance capture. Hopefully they'll add this ability in the future. Best workflow of any daw on iOS so far though which is a good thing. Mind you I've not tested the scene mode yet as I've been up to my ears in bugs etc
Scene mode is odd. Hopefully it will evolve into something better.
I think I am blessed in that my natural workflow seems to not have encountered many bugs. The only major one is that after a couple hours the scene navigation pinch zoom/pan becomes super wacky and I need to restart. For the most part though I am liking the scene mode now. I am sure it will get a few usability features that will help.
Yes, was unfortunate for me because my first use for it was to be able to use it with AB3 and it's completely broken right now that way. Seems like as a standalone it's working ok but with midi/audio in it's got some issues.
By the sound of things I'd be working in a similar way to Gus, so hopefully the bugs wouldn't cause too many problems.
I am in the same boat too! I have not encountered any of the bugs people are talking about. I am on an Ipad Pro 12. 9" (2016 version) and it has not crashed on me. Its been pretty clean, I'm scared it almost seems too stable lol. The scene mode is a great option to build up ideas.
I have about 10 scenes on the go that I'm going to structure tonight. I played around with the automation last night and I think it's fantastic. I think I'm gonna going bonkers on it when I get home from work
Perhaps I'm blind, don't find the magic button