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Why does Gadget sound terrible to me?

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  • @ExAsperis99 said:

    @Zen210507 said:

    @AndyPlankton said:
    You are not alone...

    Gadget is very clever and versatile within its limits. But everything ever made with it sounds like Gadget...

    I'm a Gadget fan, but this is a real problem. I think there's a sweet spot where a quick, innovative sketch in Gadget suddenly turns and becomes A Gadget Track™.

    I'm trying to train myself to extract the idea and get it into Cubasis or alongside Modstep for further development.

    I often use Gadget to write parts, then take the bits (either MIDI or audio) elsewhere for further tweaking, and once you've done that it really doesn't sound like a typical Gadget track.

    I find Gadget is a great place for sketching out ideas, but I would never want to use it as an end-to-end workflow because it's too limited and samey.

  • @robosardine said:
    I often think that Chicago sounds like a duck beatboxing.

  • Truly to each his own - Chicago is one of the factory gadgets I'd keep Gadge on the device for, as a sound module. Or thanks @AndyPlankton I'd get that dude as a Module

  • edited August 2017

    I think most of the Gadgets sound like crap because they have that 'Korg sound'...which is completely sterile and lacking in character. That's not necessarily a bad thing depending on what you're going for. That said, I've bought them all and I really only like Kamata, the damn video game synth. Polysix and Odyssei (which isn't technically Korg) are the only instruments I like on iOS. The Minilogue is also a bland piece of hardware...the saws have no bite and the filter and resonance is tragic.

    Korg is a leader for a reason, and at least they've tried to move things forward in the 2010s, unlike, say, Roland, but without outside effects treatment, they don't offer much to me. There's nothing warm an inviting about a Korg. They all seem like (useful, granted) 'tools' but not 'instruments' to me.

  • Please someone jump in and correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that most of the Gadgets are sample-based, even the synthesizer Gadgets use sampled waveforms. I believe a few of them don't, like the Lexington and Kamata. To my ears, this gives Gadget more of a "Rompler" sound - that is, it's harder to get individual Gadgets to sit right in the mix with sound design alone. Gadget needs more mixing, EQing, and compression per track to avoid sounding muddy, especially when you're working with more than a few Gadgets. When you see guys like Jacob Haq getting some really wonderful results with Gadget, you'll notice a lot of attention to detail in mixing each track. Unfortunately, that kind of attention to detail isn't very inspiring to me, because it feels like a distraction from actually making music. I prefer mixing "on the fly" and touching up with minimal EQ afterwords if necessary. I really enjoy the Gadget workflow, but I'm not often inspired by the sound I get out of it.

  • @oat_phipps said:

    > I think most of the Gadgets sound like crap because they have that 'Korg sound'...which is completely sterile and lacking in character. That's not necessarily a bad thing

    Haha.

  • @oat_phipps said:
    I think most of the Gadgets sound like crap because they have that 'Korg sound'...which is completely sterile and lacking in character.

    Yes. SampleTank sounds much better, as does BeatHawk. Groovebox is off to a flying start and set to get even better. And the sample packs for Launchpad and Blocs Wave are deliberately made with character.

    Gadget sounds, are like what an alien might make; exceedingly clever, but without human input. The app has many impressive features, and Korg deserve credit for moving things forward. But as we all know, they choose not to move things too far forward.

    Probably because to them IOS is a great promo device and to some extent an experiment that they can earn a few quid from.

  • Workflow turned me off..I never really got far with it

  • Well I just had a play exporting Groovebox mixes to TRG in NanoStudio. Awesome. Super quick workflow. You just do your thing in groovebox and export the mix, there's an option to import into NanoStudio, you don't even have to assign them to the pads until you're done composing. They'll be in the folder waiting for you. Then you can just record all the triggering of the loops. Dammit why didn't I think of this before?

  • @Zen210507 said:

    @oat_phipps said:
    I think most of the Gadgets sound like crap because they have that 'Korg sound'...which is completely sterile and lacking in character.

    Yes. SampleTank sounds much better, as does BeatHawk. Groovebox is off to a flying start and set to get even better. And the sample packs for Launchpad and Blocs Wave are deliberately made with character.

    Gadget sounds, are like what an alien might make; exceedingly clever, but without human input. The app has many impressive features, and Korg deserve credit for moving things forward. But as we all know, they choose not to move things too far forward.

    Probably because to them IOS is a great promo device and to some extent an experiment that they can earn a few quid from.

    I am endlessly fascinated by this. I had no idea people thought like this. I don't like every Gadget, but I can usually track down a really rich sound. AndI know I'm in the minority, but I really don't get along with the Virsyn apps. Leave me completely cold.

  • @ExAsperis99 said:

    @Zen210507 said:

    @oat_phipps said:
    I think most of the Gadgets sound like crap because they have that 'Korg sound'...which is completely sterile and lacking in character.

    Yes. SampleTank sounds much better, as does BeatHawk. Groovebox is off to a flying start and set to get even better. And the sample packs for Launchpad and Blocs Wave are deliberately made with character.

    Gadget sounds, are like what an alien might make; exceedingly clever, but without human input. The app has many impressive features, and Korg deserve credit for moving things forward. But as we all know, they choose not to move things too far forward.

    Probably because to them IOS is a great promo device and to some extent an experiment that they can earn a few quid from.

    I am endlessly fascinated by this. I had no idea people thought like this. I don't like every Gadget, but I can usually track down a really rich sound. AndI know I'm in the minority, but I really don't get along with the Virsyn apps. Leave me completely cold.

    Agreed 1000% on Virsyn. Despite buying them all, they are the most clinical synths I've ever heard. Tera Synth came closest to breaking that boundary. It's scrolling-for-miles interface ruined it though.

  • I wish I would have read this before I purchased. At least I got it on sale. But I agree with most of the statements here, workflow doesn't flow, the gadgets have the sounds of cheap toys (sometimes, I know that's what the project needs), they don't seem to care about there customers opinions. If there ever was a product that needed AU compatibility, it would be this. I've said enough, besides, what do I know, I'm a newbie to all of this.

  • @db909 said:
    Well I just had a play exporting Groovebox mixes to TRG in NanoStudio. Awesome. Super quick workflow. You just do your thing in groovebox and export the mix, there's an option to import into NanoStudio, you don't even have to assign them to the pads until you're done composing. They'll be in the folder waiting for you. Then you can just record all the triggering of the loops. Dammit why didn't I think of this before?

    They'll be in the folder waiting for you.

    Hmm. That's the bit I'm obviously missing....but I'd welcome any hint you might have; your enthusiasm makes me want to try it :)

  • I think it sounds thin and most pieces I heard made with it sounded thin and undercooked. But I figued it was a good deal to use as part of a larger production and bought it anyway. Hardly used though. :s

  • The Roland TB 303 sounded very plasticky when it was released.
    Later it became a staple of Techno.

    Maybe some Korg gadgets are a future classic?

    There is an art to it to make a tune with 2 303´s and 2 Drummachines
    just as it can be an artform to make a tune just with Korg Gadget.

  • edited August 2017

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @db909 said:
    Well I just had a play exporting Groovebox mixes to TRG in NanoStudio. Awesome. Super quick workflow. You just do your thing in groovebox and export the mix, there's an option to import into NanoStudio, you don't even have to assign them to the pads until you're done composing. They'll be in the folder waiting for you. Then you can just record all the triggering of the loops. Dammit why didn't I think of this before?

    They'll be in the folder waiting for you.

    Hmm. That's the bit I'm obviously missing....but I'd welcome any hint you might have; your enthusiasm makes me want to try it :)

    When you export as a mix from groovebox, iOS gives you an option to "import with NanoStudio" so do that and it will put all that stuff into a folder within NanoStudio called "samples". So you go into TRG and go into where you can edit a single pad. Click "load" and go to the samples folder where you'll find all that stuff.

    You gotta click the back arrow button in NanoStudios "load" menu to find the other folders. That might be what's confusing

  • @JudgeDredd said:
    I wish I would have read this before I purchased. At least I got it on sale. But I agree with most of the statements here, workflow doesn't flow, the gadgets have the sounds of cheap toys (sometimes, I know that's what the project needs), they don't seem to care about there customers opinions. If there ever was a product that needed AU compatibility, it would be this. I've said enough, besides, what do I know, I'm a newbie to all of this.

    There has been a lot of herd mentality/orthodoxy regarding "Gadget is wonderful! It is essential!"
    Don't beat yourself up; I fell for it also.
    You had no warning or words of caution. This current thread is the first time I have seen fellow heretics come out of the woodwork. It is refreshing.

  • @db909 said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @db909 said:
    Well I just had a play exporting Groovebox mixes to TRG in NanoStudio. Awesome. Super quick workflow. You just do your thing in groovebox and export the mix, there's an option to import into NanoStudio, you don't even have to assign them to the pads until you're done composing. They'll be in the folder waiting for you. Then you can just record all the triggering of the loops. Dammit why didn't I think of this before?

    They'll be in the folder waiting for you.

    Hmm. That's the bit I'm obviously missing....but I'd welcome any hint you might have; your enthusiasm makes me want to try it :)

    When you export as a mix from groovebox, iOS gives you an option to "import with NanoStudio" so do that and it will put all that stuff into a folder within NanoStudio called "samples". So you go into TRG and go into where you can edit a single pad. Click "load" and go to the samples folder where you'll find all that stuff.

    You gotta click the back arrow button in NanoStudios "load" menu to find the other folders. That might be what's confusing

    Brilliant. Did'nae know to look for the samples folder, I appreciate your guidance etc.

  • I never finish tracks in iOS, I'm just using it as an inspirational tool, finding ideas etc.

    And I'm more into acoustic stuff, which is very hard to come by in iOS. Of course there's not much space on iOS devices so there's no room for multi-GB sample libraries, I see that.

    Maybe that's part of the reason why so many people like Gladstone and Madrid, because you can get some organic sounding stuff out of them. There's a little bit of character, compared to the other gadgets.

    iOS is great for new experimental and/or revolutionary workflows, finding ideas is really fun. That, for me, is the most important factor when using my iPad instead of the desktop computer.

    But sometimes you also need unique sounds to find inspiration and - again, that's just me - there's not much on offer in the iOS world, at least for more acoustic / organic stuff.
    10 new synths per week are not the answer ;)

    And yes, I've deleted Gadget, but I will miss Madrid! ( Gladstone wasn't my cup of tea. I consider myself a drum nerd but I really didn't like the samples in it )
    Most of the other gadgets are just that, gadgets.

  • Well, Gadget to me has always been a love/hate situation. It IS wonderful in many respects, and it does have many good things about it. Then again, Beathawk has it beat overall. Okay, so here are things I like about Gadget...

    -Workflow: it's great for creating loops. It sucks for creating full tracks (at least as far as my personal workflow goes).

    -Sounds: a lot of them ARE thin and toylike, but they easily lend themselves to layering. Advantage: This gives the end user more control over their end sound. Disadvantage: takes more time to shape the sound, which is why Beathawk is better for quickly creating loops and ideas.

    (There seems to be a lack of orchestral sounds aside from cheap-sounding string and brass patches (at least as far as I know). If decent orchestra sounds DO exist in Gadget, can someone please point me in the right direction as to where they are? At least you @Lacm1993 ? Thanks.)

    -Automation: Gadget's Automation implementation is great. I wish they had point-to-point automation in addition to the tedious "drawing in" automation, but that's the main reason I purchased an Apple pencil. :D Lol. However, the amount of parameters one can automate make it pretty flexible.

    -Stability: Gadget is more stable thanks to its closed environment. This also means, however, you're stuck with the sounds in it (which is a love/hate thing). I really wish they'd allow Audio Units though. Imagine having Korvpressor, iSymphonic Orchestra, FuxEQ, Poison 202, Beathawk, and others right inside of Gadget!

    -Nostalgia: my first time with Gadget was at a hotel in Pennsylvania in December 2013 on my way to NYC. I purchased it and downloaded it over their WiFi onto my iPad 2 while maxing out by their fireplace.

    Bottom line - Beathawk is better than Gadget overall and is worth investing money into. Korg needs to release an iTriton app in order to bring me back around to it. :D The mixes I create in Gadget itself often come out sounding muddy despite using the pink noise method for adjusting volumes. Jakob Haq has Gadget mixing right down to a science, and I think I need to rewatch his videos a couple more times.

  • @db909 said:
    I fired up NanoStudio for the first time in a while since I dismissed it in the early days for probably stupid reasons that no longer exist in my brain and was immediately blown away by the quality of the sounds. They sound very organic and inspiring whereas Gadget, to me, sounds lifeless and plastic. And it's always been this way, I just didn't want to admit it because I spent a lot of money on Gadget and it and Korg have a good pedigree and all the hype. I figured it was "user error". But I must admit to myself I don't like the sound at all. Probably why I have never finished a single track in Gadget. What could be the cause of this? Is there some under the hood process, that can make one digital sound inspiring and another dull? It would be nice to nail down the exact quality of sounds I prefer with specifics as I'm sure it would for most.

    Furthermore, I wonder how often all of us may have become frustrated with an app, believing we didn't know how to use it properly, when the truth was that some elusive quality of the sound just didn't gel with our senses at all.

    This is a very timely thread to be reading for me.

    I have spent the last week thinking exactly the same thing. If you were to play five songs to me and one of them was built in Gadget, I guarantee I would be able to pick it out. It has such an obvious sound, and to me most of the tracks I've ever heard made on Gadget just sound like online library music, almost the EDM equivalent of elevator music. Even the demo songs do. They require a lot of tweaking externally to bring the production value up.

    Having said that I actually did manage to make one track In gadget that I believe sounds like a full blown credible dance production without the clinical Gadget sound. So part of me is thinking that you really do need to develop an ear for gadget in terms of what sounds works within the format and what doesn't .
    But I have decided my new iOS workflow will involve BM3 as the hub even though it's not as fast to sketch things out, and I'm pretty much going to bypass gadget but I won't delete just in case korg do some interesting updates later down the line

  • @ExAsperis99 said:
    I am endlessly fascinated by this. I had no idea people thought like this. I don't like every Gadget, but I can usually track down a really rich sound. AndI know I'm in the minority, but I really don't get along with the Virsyn apps. Leave me completely cold.

    It's easy to get carried away with the slickness of the interface and what Gadget can do, while in an Emperor's New Clothes kind of deal, forget that there are far superior sounds available in other apps.

    VirSyn, I'm also eyeing with a view to deletion. There is no support, two out of the last three apps have begun as sub standard, and I don't use the synths of theirs I bought. No doubt many peeps love VirSyn and produce wonderful works with their apps...but not me.

  • @db909 said:
    Well I just had a play exporting Groovebox mixes to TRG in NanoStudio. Awesome. Super quick workflow. You just do your thing in groovebox and export the mix, there's an option to import into NanoStudio, you don't even have to assign them to the pads until you're done composing. They'll be in the folder waiting for you. Then you can just record all the triggering of the loops. Dammit why didn't I think of this before?

    This makes me want nanostudio.

  • @Zen210507 said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:
    I am endlessly fascinated by this. I had no idea people thought like this. I don't like every Gadget, but I can usually track down a really rich sound. AndI know I'm in the minority, but I really don't get along with the Virsyn apps. Leave me completely cold.

    It's easy to get carried away with the slickness of the interface and what Gadget can do, while in an Emperor's New Clothes kind of deal, forget that there are far superior sounds available in other apps.

    VirSyn, I'm also eyeing with a view to deletion. There is no support, two out of the last three apps have begun as sub standard, and I don't use the synths of theirs I bought. No doubt many peeps love VirSyn and produce wonderful works with their apps...but not me.

    After spending money on everything of theirs, I've realized Virsyn just sucks. TapDelay is the only good thing they've made for iOS, and that is easily topped by the Fabfilter.

  • The overall experience of Gadget as a sketchpad, with its wide palette of sounds, is one of my favorite discoveries on iOS. Good sounds possible, but they don't all make it to the final product. I don't own NanoStudio, so I can't compare the sound. Of course, it's just a matter of taste and what kind of music you make. If you take anyone else's word for what is right or wrong for you, and it doesn't work out, blame only yourself.

  • Well, the thread went as it only could go. Some good, some bad. Personally if i could keep just one app it would be gadget. I don't think my stuff sounds weak, and i have heard plenty of good sounding stuff done with gadget. Plenty of shit too, but there's plenty of shit on the radio too. Seems to me to be mostly similar to tennis players that net the ball and then stare and fidget with the racket, assigning blame.

    -Bilbao sounds great and the ease of building patterns and automating (at least for me) is unparalleled.
    -dublin sounds great. Sometimes i have recorded something meaning to replace it with model 15 or my subphatty and don't bother because i achieved what i wanted.
    -helsinki is super limited but i get a good sound i can automate super well.
    -chiangmai is great for sparkly stuff
    -ODYSSEi sounds fantastic and automating again.
    -gladstone and madrid are great.

    Don't really use the others. Actually about 6-8 tracks in each of my projects are bilbao.

    Chicago does sound bad to me.

    But at the end of the day this journey is all about trying stuff until you find what works for you. Which might be the first thing u discarded.

  • I get what people are saying but to be fair, you can easily fix the sound with EQ and filtering. Korg absolutely needs to give us insert sffecs on the master channel however, and a normalisation on the rendering would be helpful.

  • @Zen210507 said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:
    I am endlessly fascinated by this. I had no idea people thought like this. I don't like every Gadget, but I can usually track down a really rich sound. AndI know I'm in the minority, but I really don't get along with the Virsyn apps. Leave me completely cold.

    It's easy to get carried away with the slickness of the interface and what Gadget can do, while in an Emperor's New Clothes kind of deal, forget that there are far superior sounds available in other apps.

    VirSyn, I'm also eyeing with a view to deletion. There is no support, two out of the last three apps have begun as sub standard, and I don't use the synths of theirs I bought. No doubt many peeps love VirSyn and produce wonderful works with their apps...but not me.

    I like microTera and iVoxel and love AudioReverb, but otherwise have to agree with you.

  • All iPad synths are shit. I don't know how we ever thought they were any good. Must be mass hypnosis.

  • To be fair, Gadget CAN sound good. And I've gotten it to sound good, but it requires quite a bit of very detailed tweaking that takes up a lot of time. Time I'd rather spend creating new musical ideas

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