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Why does Gadget sound terrible to me?

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  • @LucidMusicInc said:
    B> @triton100 said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @tja said:

    @wim said:
    Briefly:

    • Go to song mode and click export
    • Export Multi
    • Get out of song mode and go to the browser
    • Open Exports and you should see a folder with the export. Two-finger tap the folder and tap "Zip Directory" in the popup menu.
    • Two-finger tap the resulting zip file, and pick iCloud Export file. Then Locations to pick the destination (Dropbox, AudioShare, etc.)

    For midi it's similar, except you don't need to zip the folder. Just browse to the midi file, two-finger tap, etc.

    Basically, you can export any file. Folders have to be zipped first to export them.

    Having it being an AUv3 as well "opens" many, many possibilities. And - MIDI Out. So, no I wouldn't call BeatHawk more closed than Gadget by any stretch.

    Uhh

    You're right.

    But.

    What I wrote was my impression!

    I tried around with Beathawk and found it terrible closed box - and never touched it again.

    Why?

    Because there is no export possibilty for your current song!
    You need to first save it and then search it again in the file browser - already not such a good idea.

    But then:

    WHAT????

    Two-finger tap?????

    Who will ever get to this idea?
    Only people who read the manual?
    Only those who read your posting?

    This is ridiculous..

    Two-finger tab.

    I really don't know what to answer here.

    Why not three finger-tap with a follow-up Two-finger hold?

    That's just stupid, to say the least.

    I can imagine that many, many, many people also never got this!

    And then, even if you know: The export then is called "iCloud"!!!
    WHY???

    Most people will just say "damn, again no support for AudioShare" - or whatever they wanted to do.

    This button should not be named "iCloud", really.
    Again: Stupid

    You can call me stupid too, but really those are bad bad bad design and naming ideas!!!

    But thanks, this gives Beathawk a new chance with me ;-)

    Agreed, but boy it's easy to write songs in...

    Do you find it easier to write songs in beathawk 2 than beatmaker 3?
    I'm curious because a lot of people seem to be using beathawk within bm3 yet if beathawk is that intuitive for song arrangement I'm wondering why people don't use beathawk as the 'daw' instead of bm3?

    In terms of sampling/audio editing, there simply is no comparison between the two... people probably use Bheathawk in BM3 because a) they can, its AU and b) it's got good sampled content, while BM3 needs to continue to populate their sound store.

    Ok cool thanks

  • @Zen210507 said:

    @Tommygun said:
    What a thread!

    Feels like the "every new app is so great, amazing and wonderful" times are really over :D

    Enthusiasm is great, but the blind enthusiasm we sometimes see, and occasional tribe-like fanaticism, helps nobody. Nowadays I try to hold back, and see what real users make of a new release.

    Sometimes, I think an app is not for me, and get persuaded otherwise, but more often I see a demo and end up thinking what's on offer is not better or sufficiently different to what I already own.

    Gadget, I don't regret buying, or the IAP's. It's more a case of me discovering how I work best, what works for me, and along the way finding that Gadget for all its invention and expansion is just not a route that suits me.

    +1

  • I'm fine with the sound quality but i spent a lot of time on making my own presets and imported a lot of samples for bilbao and Abu Dhabi.But what i really hate is the aliasing (of course,the limiter is always switched off).yesterday i first thought i can't trust my ears and it must be something else in the signal chain of Wolfsburg but it wasn't.THAT is really embarassing for a company like Korg.

  • edited August 2017

    @Crabman said:
    I'm fine with the sound quality but i spent a lot of time on making my own presets and imported a lot of samples for bilbao and Abu Dhabi.But what i really hate is the aliasing (of course,the limiter is always switched off).yesterday i first thought i can't trust my ears and it must be something else in the signal chain of Wolfsburg but it wasn't.THAT is really embarassing for a company like Korg.

    It's a shame that the audio engine doesn't scale up with better hardware the way video game graphics do in a game. Crank up the bit rate, juice the flux capacitor, extra gigawatts to the anti aliaser... anyway, looks like BM3 with AUs to the rescue. I will likely sell Gadget at a garage sale with my GI Joes.

  • edited August 2017

    @triton100 said:

    @LucidMusicInc said:
    B> @triton100 said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @tja said:

    @wim said:
    Briefly:

    • Go to song mode and click export
    • Export Multi
    • Get out of song mode and go to the browser
    • Open Exports and you should see a folder with the export. Two-finger tap the folder and tap "Zip Directory" in the popup menu.
    • Two-finger tap the resulting zip file, and pick iCloud Export file. Then Locations to pick the destination (Dropbox, AudioShare, etc.)

    For midi it's similar, except you don't need to zip the folder. Just browse to the midi file, two-finger tap, etc.

    Basically, you can export any file. Folders have to be zipped first to export them.

    Having it being an AUv3 as well "opens" many, many possibilities. And - MIDI Out. So, no I wouldn't call BeatHawk more closed than Gadget by any stretch.

    Uhh

    You're right.

    But.

    What I wrote was my impression!

    I tried around with Beathawk and found it terrible closed box - and never touched it again.

    Why?

    Because there is no export possibilty for your current song!
    You need to first save it and then search it again in the file browser - already not such a good idea.

    But then:

    WHAT????

    Two-finger tap?????

    Who will ever get to this idea?
    Only people who read the manual?
    Only those who read your posting?

    This is ridiculous..

    Two-finger tab.

    I really don't know what to answer here.

    Why not three finger-tap with a follow-up Two-finger hold?

    That's just stupid, to say the least.

    I can imagine that many, many, many people also never got this!

    And then, even if you know: The export then is called "iCloud"!!!
    WHY???

    Most people will just say "damn, again no support for AudioShare" - or whatever they wanted to do.

    This button should not be named "iCloud", really.
    Again: Stupid

    You can call me stupid too, but really those are bad bad bad design and naming ideas!!!

    But thanks, this gives Beathawk a new chance with me ;-)

    Agreed, but boy it's easy to write songs in...

    Do you find it easier to write songs in beathawk 2 than beatmaker 3?
    I'm curious because a lot of people seem to be using beathawk within bm3 yet if beathawk is that intuitive for song arrangement I'm wondering why people don't use beathawk as the 'daw' instead of bm3?

    In terms of sampling/audio editing, there simply is no comparison between the two... people probably use Bheathawk in BM3 because a) they can, its AU and b) it's got good sampled content, while BM3 needs to continue to populate their sound store.

    Ok cool thanks

    Some people. Sure. But that wasn't my point. I (me, me, me) find Beathawk a very easy place to write songs. Whether I end up remaking them elsewhere, exporting stems, doing other stuff which could be considered producing the material after the event, but as regards, you know, the writing NOT the production, I find Beathawk one of the best environments to get quickly beyond the perfect eight or 16 bar prison.

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @triton100 said:

    @LucidMusicInc said:
    B> @triton100 said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @tja said:

    @wim said:
    Briefly:

    • Go to song mode and click export
    • Export Multi
    • Get out of song mode and go to the browser
    • Open Exports and you should see a folder with the export. Two-finger tap the folder and tap "Zip Directory" in the popup menu.
    • Two-finger tap the resulting zip file, and pick iCloud Export file. Then Locations to pick the destination (Dropbox, AudioShare, etc.)

    For midi it's similar, except you don't need to zip the folder. Just browse to the midi file, two-finger tap, etc.

    Basically, you can export any file. Folders have to be zipped first to export them.

    Having it being an AUv3 as well "opens" many, many possibilities. And - MIDI Out. So, no I wouldn't call BeatHawk more closed than Gadget by any stretch.

    Uhh

    You're right.

    But.

    What I wrote was my impression!

    I tried around with Beathawk and found it terrible closed box - and never touched it again.

    Why?

    Because there is no export possibilty for your current song!
    You need to first save it and then search it again in the file browser - already not such a good idea.

    But then:

    WHAT????

    Two-finger tap?????

    Who will ever get to this idea?
    Only people who read the manual?
    Only those who read your posting?

    This is ridiculous..

    Two-finger tab.

    I really don't know what to answer here.

    Why not three finger-tap with a follow-up Two-finger hold?

    That's just stupid, to say the least.

    I can imagine that many, many, many people also never got this!

    And then, even if you know: The export then is called "iCloud"!!!
    WHY???

    Most people will just say "damn, again no support for AudioShare" - or whatever they wanted to do.

    This button should not be named "iCloud", really.
    Again: Stupid

    You can call me stupid too, but really those are bad bad bad design and naming ideas!!!

    But thanks, this gives Beathawk a new chance with me ;-)

    Agreed, but boy it's easy to write songs in...

    Do you find it easier to write songs in beathawk 2 than beatmaker 3?
    I'm curious because a lot of people seem to be using beathawk within bm3 yet if beathawk is that intuitive for song arrangement I'm wondering why people don't use beathawk as the 'daw' instead of bm3?

    In terms of sampling/audio editing, there simply is no comparison between the two... people probably use Bheathawk in BM3 because a) they can, its AU and b) it's got good sampled content, while BM3 needs to continue to populate their sound store.

    Ok cool thanks

    Some people. Sure. But that wasn't my point. I (me, me, me) find Beathawk a very easy place to write songs. Whether I end up remaking them elsewhere, exporting stems, doing other stuff which could be considered producing the material after the event, but as regards, you know, the writing NOT the production, I find Beathawk one of the best environments to get quickly beyond the perfect eight or 16 bar prison.

    Mr JG what is it about Beathawk that does this for you? And when you have composed...do you have to recreate in production software or can you export over what you have ?

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @triton100 said:

    @LucidMusicInc said:
    B> @triton100 said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @tja said:

    @wim said:
    Briefly:

    • Go to song mode and click export
    • Export Multi
    • Get out of song mode and go to the browser
    • Open Exports and you should see a folder with the export. Two-finger tap the folder and tap "Zip Directory" in the popup menu.
    • Two-finger tap the resulting zip file, and pick iCloud Export file. Then Locations to pick the destination (Dropbox, AudioShare, etc.)

    For midi it's similar, except you don't need to zip the folder. Just browse to the midi file, two-finger tap, etc.

    Basically, you can export any file. Folders have to be zipped first to export them.

    Having it being an AUv3 as well "opens" many, many possibilities. And - MIDI Out. So, no I wouldn't call BeatHawk more closed than Gadget by any stretch.

    Uhh

    You're right.

    But.

    What I wrote was my impression!

    I tried around with Beathawk and found it terrible closed box - and never touched it again.

    Why?

    Because there is no export possibilty for your current song!
    You need to first save it and then search it again in the file browser - already not such a good idea.

    But then:

    WHAT????

    Two-finger tap?????

    Who will ever get to this idea?
    Only people who read the manual?
    Only those who read your posting?

    This is ridiculous..

    Two-finger tab.

    I really don't know what to answer here.

    Why not three finger-tap with a follow-up Two-finger hold?

    That's just stupid, to say the least.

    I can imagine that many, many, many people also never got this!

    And then, even if you know: The export then is called "iCloud"!!!
    WHY???

    Most people will just say "damn, again no support for AudioShare" - or whatever they wanted to do.

    This button should not be named "iCloud", really.
    Again: Stupid

    You can call me stupid too, but really those are bad bad bad design and naming ideas!!!

    But thanks, this gives Beathawk a new chance with me ;-)

    Agreed, but boy it's easy to write songs in...

    Do you find it easier to write songs in beathawk 2 than beatmaker 3?
    I'm curious because a lot of people seem to be using beathawk within bm3 yet if beathawk is that intuitive for song arrangement I'm wondering why people don't use beathawk as the 'daw' instead of bm3?

    In terms of sampling/audio editing, there simply is no comparison between the two... people probably use Bheathawk in BM3 because a) they can, its AU and b) it's got good sampled content, while BM3 needs to continue to populate their sound store.

    Ok cool thanks

    Some people. Sure. But that wasn't my point. I (me, me, me) find Beathawk a very easy place to write songs. Whether I end up remaking them elsewhere, exporting stems, doing other stuff which could be considered producing the material after the event, but as regards, you know, the writing NOT the production, I find Beathawk one of the best environments to get quickly beyond the perfect eight or 16 bar prison.

    Err yes 'you you you' ... obviously ... was simply curious to hear how different people use varying work flows.

  • Isn't BeatHawk more of a MPC style of composing?

    I used to prefer linear DAWS like Logic, and never really grooved with Reason and the likes. But somehow Gadget has clicked with me workflow wise. I compose mainly as a hobby so I don't worry too much about "pristine" sound - and I must admit I think Gadget sounds fine - I mean, many great records have been made using the KORG M1 and the WaveStation, and now I have both :-)

    I guess workflow wise it comes down to what "grooves" with your way of thinking/working - sound is subjective and I think Gadget offers a pretty good sonic palette, especially with all the expansions.

    I do wish it was a bit more open (like allowing is to use at least AU effects in the mixer) but I still think it's a pretty nice package for what it is.

  • edited August 2017

    Surprisingly I like the guitar sim that got added in gadget recently. Still think they need to optimize their code tho. Its always crackling and popping on my iPhone 6s. That's with just one instrument and I think thats unacceptable. I sent korg support this email last night

    "Hello there. I've been using ios music apps since magellan came out in 2012. I'm pretty involved in audiobus forums and ive heard some consistent complaints recently about gadget I want to bring to your attention. Maybe you could pass this along to the developers/project managers

    -Gadget needs to have audiobus in. All good ios apps need to play well with others. If I can't use my whole toybox then it's an isolated work environment.

    -Code needs to be optimized. Michael Tyson (creator of loopy and helped with audiobus source code) has lots of papers written specifically for developers of ios music apps about optimization.
    See. http://atastypixel.com/blog/four-common-mistakes-in-audio-development/#more-2837

    -Preset sharing. If I can't email presets or zip them down and reopen them then your app feels like it's not part of the community. Its just me alone with my personal icloud presets. No way to share. Sharing is caring

    -Midi keyboard roll editing doesn't feel optimized for ios. Take a look at beatmaker or nanostudio (which has managed to survive all this time) midi sequencers. This is a consistent complaint I heard even today on the audiobus forums.

    Thanks for your time. I respect korg very much and I hope my opinion is at least considered. These suggestions are based on the conversations at the audiobus forums ( which I highly suggest your join) not just my personal take on it. I feel like I have my ear to the pulse on this one so please pass this along

    Thank you for your time and have a lovely day/Night "

    Thoughts?

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  • @AndyPlankton said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @triton100 said:

    @LucidMusicInc said:
    B> @triton100 said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @tja said:

    @wim said:
    Briefly:

    • Go to song mode and click export
    • Export Multi
    • Get out of song mode and go to the browser
    • Open Exports and you should see a folder with the export. Two-finger tap the folder and tap "Zip Directory" in the popup menu.
    • Two-finger tap the resulting zip file, and pick iCloud Export file. Then Locations to pick the destination (Dropbox, AudioShare, etc.)

    For midi it's similar, except you don't need to zip the folder. Just browse to the midi file, two-finger tap, etc.

    Basically, you can export any file. Folders have to be zipped first to export them.

    Having it being an AUv3 as well "opens" many, many possibilities. And - MIDI Out. So, no I wouldn't call BeatHawk more closed than Gadget by any stretch.

    Uhh

    You're right.

    But.

    What I wrote was my impression!

    I tried around with Beathawk and found it terrible closed box - and never touched it again.

    Why?

    Because there is no export possibilty for your current song!
    You need to first save it and then search it again in the file browser - already not such a good idea.

    But then:

    WHAT????

    Two-finger tap?????

    Who will ever get to this idea?
    Only people who read the manual?
    Only those who read your posting?

    This is ridiculous..

    Two-finger tab.

    I really don't know what to answer here.

    Why not three finger-tap with a follow-up Two-finger hold?

    That's just stupid, to say the least.

    I can imagine that many, many, many people also never got this!

    And then, even if you know: The export then is called "iCloud"!!!
    WHY???

    Most people will just say "damn, again no support for AudioShare" - or whatever they wanted to do.

    This button should not be named "iCloud", really.
    Again: Stupid

    You can call me stupid too, but really those are bad bad bad design and naming ideas!!!

    But thanks, this gives Beathawk a new chance with me ;-)

    Agreed, but boy it's easy to write songs in...

    Do you find it easier to write songs in beathawk 2 than beatmaker 3?
    I'm curious because a lot of people seem to be using beathawk within bm3 yet if beathawk is that intuitive for song arrangement I'm wondering why people don't use beathawk as the 'daw' instead of bm3?

    In terms of sampling/audio editing, there simply is no comparison between the two... people probably use Bheathawk in BM3 because a) they can, its AU and b) it's got good sampled content, while BM3 needs to continue to populate their sound store.

    Ok cool thanks

    Some people. Sure. But that wasn't my point. I (me, me, me) find Beathawk a very easy place to write songs. Whether I end up remaking them elsewhere, exporting stems, doing other stuff which could be considered producing the material after the event, but as regards, you know, the writing NOT the production, I find Beathawk one of the best environments to get quickly beyond the perfect eight or 16 bar prison.

    Mr JG what is it about Beathawk that does this for you? And when you have composed...do you have to recreate in production software or can you export over what you have ?

    Well. I'm certainly a sucker for a pattern, song mode and I work well with the one in BH. I find the recording in real time very fluid (and the corrections now they have a timeline also help). While it's hard (for me) to technically explain it, I find writing changes between one section, verse/chorus, whatever to be simpler on the ear, as regards delivering/developing what you're after. And I like the samples/packs (mostly). Typically I export bits into Auria OR if I've developed/nailed a melody I like, recreate it elsewhere. More the former than the latter probably, but -again- it's the writing facility I appreciate the most. Too easy for a fool like me to forget that that's my interest/strong point compared to just being overly impressed with 'look I made a credible' sound! I'm interested in the songs more than the tunes, if that makes any kind of sense...

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @triton100 said:

    @LucidMusicInc said:
    B> @triton100 said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @tja said:

    @wim said:
    Briefly:

    • Go to song mode and click export
    • Export Multi
    • Get out of song mode and go to the browser
    • Open Exports and you should see a folder with the export. Two-finger tap the folder and tap "Zip Directory" in the popup menu.
    • Two-finger tap the resulting zip file, and pick iCloud Export file. Then Locations to pick the destination (Dropbox, AudioShare, etc.)

    For midi it's similar, except you don't need to zip the folder. Just browse to the midi file, two-finger tap, etc.

    Basically, you can export any file. Folders have to be zipped first to export them.

    Having it being an AUv3 as well "opens" many, many possibilities. And - MIDI Out. So, no I wouldn't call BeatHawk more closed than Gadget by any stretch.

    Uhh

    You're right.

    But.

    What I wrote was my impression!

    I tried around with Beathawk and found it terrible closed box - and never touched it again.

    Why?

    Because there is no export possibilty for your current song!
    You need to first save it and then search it again in the file browser - already not such a good idea.

    But then:

    WHAT????

    Two-finger tap?????

    Who will ever get to this idea?
    Only people who read the manual?
    Only those who read your posting?

    This is ridiculous..

    Two-finger tab.

    I really don't know what to answer here.

    Why not three finger-tap with a follow-up Two-finger hold?

    That's just stupid, to say the least.

    I can imagine that many, many, many people also never got this!

    And then, even if you know: The export then is called "iCloud"!!!
    WHY???

    Most people will just say "damn, again no support for AudioShare" - or whatever they wanted to do.

    This button should not be named "iCloud", really.
    Again: Stupid

    You can call me stupid too, but really those are bad bad bad design and naming ideas!!!

    But thanks, this gives Beathawk a new chance with me ;-)

    Agreed, but boy it's easy to write songs in...

    Do you find it easier to write songs in beathawk 2 than beatmaker 3?
    I'm curious because a lot of people seem to be using beathawk within bm3 yet if beathawk is that intuitive for song arrangement I'm wondering why people don't use beathawk as the 'daw' instead of bm3?

    In terms of sampling/audio editing, there simply is no comparison between the two... people probably use Bheathawk in BM3 because a) they can, its AU and b) it's got good sampled content, while BM3 needs to continue to populate their sound store.

    Ok cool thanks

    Some people. Sure. But that wasn't my point. I (me, me, me) find Beathawk a very easy place to write songs. Whether I end up remaking them elsewhere, exporting stems, doing other stuff which could be considered producing the material after the event, but as regards, you know, the writing NOT the production, I find Beathawk one of the best environments to get quickly beyond the perfect eight or 16 bar prison.

    Mr JG what is it about Beathawk that does this for you? And when you have composed...do you have to recreate in production software or can you export over what you have ?

    Well. I'm certainly a sucker for a pattern, song mode and I work well with the one in BH. I find the recording in real time very fluid (and the corrections now they have a timeline also help). While it's hard (for me) to technically explain it, I find writing changes between one section, verse/chorus, whatever to be simpler on the ear, as regards delivering/developing what you're after. And I like the samples/packs (mostly). Typically I export bits into Auria OR if I've developed/nailed a melody I like, recreate it elsewhere. More the former than the latter probably, but -again- it's the writing facility I appreciate the most. Too easy for a fool like me to forget that that's my interest/strong point compared to just being overly impressed with 'look I made a credible' sound! I'm interested in the songs more than the tunes, if that makes any kind of sense...

    I agree a lot with JG about things flowing out of BeatHawk pretty naturally. It's something about the organization, maybe that things are broken up into tider bits for focus. And since they added MIDI out, it really shines in an AB3 setup. I'm not a big sample pack collector, so being able to use it with my apps of choice is really big.

    But, having been almost totally immersed in BM3 the last couple of weeks, I'm finding that my workflows in both are very similar, but instead of having to wire things together using AB3 and AUM, MidiFlow adapters and all that load, I can do most of what I want in BM3, plus tons more. OK, a little unstable, and IAA still sux no matter where used, but basically it's all there.

    Sorry, I know this thread is about Gadget. On that score, one place Gadget shines for me is for composing on the iPhone in those little break-times. On the phone I don't like having to wire stuff together and constantly shift between portrait and landscape. With Gadget I can fire it up and be ready to go in seconds. I have that huge pile of sounds to pick from, and if I like what I did with one button up it goes to the cloud for taking further on the iPad later.

    Gadget's sound is good enough for me, but that's not saying anything as I'm just a hack. I can totally understand if the sound grates on the OP. You can't overcome those things. They're just there. Like how I unreasonably detest the Toyota Prius, iTunes and Facebook for no reasons I can explain.

  • @wim said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @triton100 said:

    @LucidMusicInc said:
    B> @triton100 said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @tja said:

    @wim said:
    Briefly:

    • Go to song mode and click export
    • Export Multi
    • Get out of song mode and go to the browser
    • Open Exports and you should see a folder with the export. Two-finger tap the folder and tap "Zip Directory" in the popup menu.
    • Two-finger tap the resulting zip file, and pick iCloud Export file. Then Locations to pick the destination (Dropbox, AudioShare, etc.)

    For midi it's similar, except you don't need to zip the folder. Just browse to the midi file, two-finger tap, etc.

    Basically, you can export any file. Folders have to be zipped first to export them.

    Having it being an AUv3 as well "opens" many, many possibilities. And - MIDI Out. So, no I wouldn't call BeatHawk more closed than Gadget by any stretch.

    Uhh

    You're right.

    But.

    What I wrote was my impression!

    I tried around with Beathawk and found it terrible closed box - and never touched it again.

    Why?

    Because there is no export possibilty for your current song!
    You need to first save it and then search it again in the file browser - already not such a good idea.

    But then:

    WHAT????

    Two-finger tap?????

    Who will ever get to this idea?
    Only people who read the manual?
    Only those who read your posting?

    This is ridiculous..

    Two-finger tab.

    I really don't know what to answer here.

    Why not three finger-tap with a follow-up Two-finger hold?

    That's just stupid, to say the least.

    I can imagine that many, many, many people also never got this!

    And then, even if you know: The export then is called "iCloud"!!!
    WHY???

    Most people will just say "damn, again no support for AudioShare" - or whatever they wanted to do.

    This button should not be named "iCloud", really.
    Again: Stupid

    You can call me stupid too, but really those are bad bad bad design and naming ideas!!!

    But thanks, this gives Beathawk a new chance with me ;-)

    Agreed, but boy it's easy to write songs in...

    Do you find it easier to write songs in beathawk 2 than beatmaker 3?
    I'm curious because a lot of people seem to be using beathawk within bm3 yet if beathawk is that intuitive for song arrangement I'm wondering why people don't use beathawk as the 'daw' instead of bm3?

    In terms of sampling/audio editing, there simply is no comparison between the two... people probably use Bheathawk in BM3 because a) they can, its AU and b) it's got good sampled content, while BM3 needs to continue to populate their sound store.

    Ok cool thanks

    Some people. Sure. But that wasn't my point. I (me, me, me) find Beathawk a very easy place to write songs. Whether I end up remaking them elsewhere, exporting stems, doing other stuff which could be considered producing the material after the event, but as regards, you know, the writing NOT the production, I find Beathawk one of the best environments to get quickly beyond the perfect eight or 16 bar prison.

    Mr JG what is it about Beathawk that does this for you? And when you have composed...do you have to recreate in production software or can you export over what you have ?

    Well. I'm certainly a sucker for a pattern, song mode and I work well with the one in BH. I find the recording in real time very fluid (and the corrections now they have a timeline also help). While it's hard (for me) to technically explain it, I find writing changes between one section, verse/chorus, whatever to be simpler on the ear, as regards delivering/developing what you're after. And I like the samples/packs (mostly). Typically I export bits into Auria OR if I've developed/nailed a melody I like, recreate it elsewhere. More the former than the latter probably, but -again- it's the writing facility I appreciate the most. Too easy for a fool like me to forget that that's my interest/strong point compared to just being overly impressed with 'look I made a credible' sound! I'm interested in the songs more than the tunes, if that makes any kind of sense...

    I agree a lot with JG about things flowing out of BeatHawk pretty naturally. It's something about the organization, maybe that things are broken up into tider bits for focus. And since they added MIDI out, it really shines in an AB3 setup. I'm not a big sample pack collector, so being able to use it with my apps of choice is really big.

    But, having been almost totally immersed in BM3 the last couple of weeks, I'm finding that my workflows in both are very similar, but instead of having to wire things together using AB3 and AUM, MidiFlow adapters and all that load, I can do most of what I want in BM3, plus tons more. OK, a little unstable, and IAA still sux no matter where used, but basically it's all there.

    Sorry, I know this thread is about Gadget. On that score, one place Gadget shines for me is for composing on the iPhone in those little break-times. On the phone I don't like having to wire stuff together and constantly shift between portrait and landscape. With Gadget I can fire it up and be ready to go in seconds. I have that huge pile of sounds to pick from, and if I like what I did with one button up it goes to the cloud for taking further on the iPad later.

    Gadget's sound is good enough for me, but that's not saying anything as I'm just a hack. I can totally understand if the sound grates on the OP. You can't overcome those things. They're just there. Like how I unreasonably detest the Toyota Prius, iTunes and Facebook for no reasons I can explain.

    It's not unreasonable to detest ITunes or Facebook. Quite the opposite in fact.

  • Oh hai,

    Just read this thread.

    Thought I would stop by to not add to the carnage.

    I tried and tried to get and love Gadget with my flow.

    But, something never lets me go all in.

    I think it is the workflow.

    Without a clearer mixing platform and TRUE WAVE FORM CONTROL and EDITING I am out.

    Either a company accepts that people will use multiple products and companies are they keep themself in a self imposed exhile to the true masses.

    Open Gadget up for AU and IAA already and ALLOW FOR AN ABLETON STYLE GUI LAYOUT.

    VERTICLE and HORIZONTAL.

    ALLOW GRID TO ACT AS CLIP LAUNCHING.

    Since they don't have a launchpad type item I guess we will never see it.

    Still more confusing..........

    WHY NO KAOSS PADS IN GADGET?

    WHY NO ELECTRIBE IN GADGET?

    I dont like being told how to make my music.

    I also don't think it is smart for companies to make upgrades and advancements with THINGS NO ONE ASKS FOR OR REALLY WANT (this goes for ..................ALL APPS.....coughs.......)

    KORG do a survey or read the freaking forum here. All the requests are abundantly clear.

    But instead you will give me some new sample player or wierd limited audio file playing ability.

    What are you afraid of someone doing lyrics and making a hit song with Gadget?

    Right?

  • edited August 2017

    With reference to BeatHawk, I still find it confusing in some ways, but got a much better grasp after watching an AudioDabbler video. However, the app's real value to me is in the superiority of its samples, over most of what is available on IOS. Following on from this, I recently bought BeatMaker 3, after discovering that BearHawk can be used within it. Once BM3 updates fix the problems present at launch, this could be a great new way for me to make music. I won't be giving up my true and trusted ways, of course, but a fresh approach is often worth the effort.

  • @RustiK said:
    Oh hai,

    Just read this thread.

    Thought I would stop by to not add to the carnage.

    I tried and tried to get and love Gadget with my flow.

    But, something never lets me go all in.

    I think it is the workflow.

    Without a clearer mixing platform and TRUE WAVE FORM CONTROL and EDITING I am out.

    Either a company accepts that people will use multiple products and companies are they keep themself in a self imposed exhile to the true masses.

    Open Gadget up for AU and IAA already and ALLOW FOR AN ABLETON STYLE GUI LAYOUT.

    VERTICLE and HORIZONTAL.

    ALLOW GRID TO ACT AS CLIP LAUNCHING.

    Since they don't have a launchpad type item I guess we will never see it.

    Still more confusing..........

    WHY NO KAOSS PADS IN GADGET?

    WHY NO ELECTRIBE IN GADGET?

    I dont like being told how to make my music.

    I also don't think it is smart for companies to make upgrades and advancements with THINGS NO ONE ASKS FOR OR REALLY WANT (this goes for ..................ALL APPS.....coughs.......)

    KORG do a survey or read the freaking forum here. All the requests are abundantly clear.

    But instead you will give me some new sample player or wierd limited audio file playing ability.

    What are you afraid of someone doing lyrics and making a hit song with Gadget?

    Right?

    Totally agreed. Specially on Kaoss pads, clip launching, and now that I think about it, electribe

  • Some perspective....

    Which has 112,000,000 views on Youtube :)

  • if only gadget would change their track view into a linear timeline just like many, if not all, of the ios daws and desktop daws have been traditionally doing, i believe many of us would go back and regain their enthusiasm to compose music in gadget. because finding yourself working in cubasis, auria, garageband, flsm, twisted wave, multitrack daw, etc. and then when you go to gadget, it's really disorientating.

    imo the sounds in gadget are really good and very useable, it's just the timeline that is really a pain to work on. i wish in their next update there would be an option to choose whether if you want to work on their default timeline or in linear mode.

  • @Suboidua said:
    if only gadget would change their track view into a linear timeline just like many, if not all, of the ios daws and desktop daws have been traditionally doing, i believe many of us would go back and regain their enthusiasm to compose music in gadget. because finding yourself working in cubasis, auria, garageband, flsm, twisted wave, multitrack daw, etc. and then when you go to gadget, it's really disorientating.

    imo the sounds in gadget are really good and very useable, it's just the timeline that is really a pain to work on. i wish in their next update there would be an option to choose whether if you want to work on their default timeline or in linear mode.

    And I totally disagree :smiley:

    Which just shows you can’t please everyone.

    For me Gadgets approach to pattern based composing makes really good sense and gives me a much better overview and understanding if my project than for example BeatHawk - but that’s just me :smile:

    As mentioned earlier I grew up with linear DAWs and never got into apps like Reason, but strangely enough KORGs approach works for me.

    I build a section of the song, typically 8 or 16 bars and can then easily copy this and make variations on a theme, add instruments, remove sounds etc. and then easily move sections around too.

    I know you could do the same by placing the sections on a linear timeline, but then the mixer at the bottom wouldn’t correspond with what’s above it on the screen.

    I’m not saying one thing is better than the other, just that different people have different preferences.

    And actually this thread was about the sound, not the features, but that’s ok too, I think the same applies here, some will like the sounds, some will hate them.

  • @Peter321 said:

    @Suboidua said:
    if only gadget would change their track view into a linear timeline just like many, if not all, of the ios daws and desktop daws have been traditionally doing, i believe many of us would go back and regain their enthusiasm to compose music in gadget. because finding yourself working in cubasis, auria, garageband, flsm, twisted wave, multitrack daw, etc. and then when you go to gadget, it's really disorientating.

    imo the sounds in gadget are really good and very useable, it's just the timeline that is really a pain to work on. i wish in their next update there would be an option to choose whether if you want to work on their default timeline or in linear mode.

    And I totally disagree :smiley:

    Which just shows you can’t please everyone.

    For me Gadgets approach to pattern based composing makes really good sense and gives me a much better overview and understanding if my project than for example BeatHawk - but that’s just me :smile:

    As mentioned earlier I grew up with linear DAWs and never got into apps like Reason, but strangely enough KORGs approach works for me.

    I build a section of the song, typically 8 or 16 bars and can then easily copy this and make variations on a theme, add instruments, remove sounds etc. and then easily move sections around too.

    I know you could do the same by placing the sections on a linear timeline, but then the mixer at the bottom wouldn’t correspond with what’s above it on the screen.

    I’m not saying one thing is better than the other, just that different people have different preferences.

    And actually this thread was about the sound, not the features, but that’s ok too, I think the same applies here, some will like the sounds, some will hate them.

    +1

    Gadget is what it is, and its workflow is for me hugely inspiring. It is so simple to get things up and running (which is how @JohnnyGoodyear describes Beathawk). Let it be what it will be.

  • @DaveMagoo said:
    Some perspective....

    Which has 112,000,000 views on Youtube :)

    Ha! So true...

  • Alors, it's the words, the vibe, the vox, the ennui. Baybee.

  • Gadget is my favorite iOS app and the one I have finished the most tracks in. I think a lot of the sameness results from people using presets and not using EQ/effects.

  • edited August 2017

    Yes it's just a lack of compression and EQ. The mix can get sloppy sounding quickly if you don't know what you're doing, what frequencies you should be cutting... as far as presets go, there's a Gadget and a set of presets for just about any modern genre. Check out the demo songs for Gladstone and Madrid for example, great jazz and rock sound. For old school house trance and techno, Gadget is perfect because you are legitimately getting the original sounds with M1 and Wavestation. Then you've got Module with the Ivory Keys, the different electric keyboards, the Mellowtron... honestly when you use a controller that has expressive controls like velocity and sustained notes, that's when the sounds come to life.

  • edited August 2017

    @DaveMagoo said:
    Dont forget you can import into the audio tracks of gadget....

    https://m.soundcloud.com/dave-magoo-1/space-jazz-interlude

    https://m.soundcloud.com/dave-magoo-1/bad-hero

    https://m.soundcloud.com/dave-magoo-1/drifting

    https://m.soundcloud.com/dave-magoo-1/last-light

    https://m.soundcloud.com/dave-magoo-1/duskriser

    Which ones are Nanostudio, which are Gadget?

    Ps: no cheating!

    @DaveMagoo said:
    Dont forget you can import into the audio tracks of gadget....

    I think space jazz interlude and duskriser are Gadget. I think I recognize one of the sounds in Duskriser and the Jazzy instruments would simply be easier to pull off in Gadget. They were all pretty cool.

  • Thnks bro!

    I've been using BH a lot as well but can't figure out how to have one instance inside Cubasis respond to all 16 midi channels. Right now I have to have 16 separate instances so it's confusing the heck out of me. Any help appreciated.

    @wim said:
    Briefly:

    • Go to song mode and click export
    • Export Multi
    • Get out of song mode and go to the browser
    • Open Exports and you should see a folder with the export. Two-finger tap the folder and tap "Zip Directory" in the popup menu.
    • Two-finger tap the resulting zip file, and pick iCloud Export file. Then Locations to pick the destination (Dropbox, AudioShare, etc.)

    For midi it's similar, except you don't need to zip the folder. Just browse to the midi file, two-finger tap, etc.

    Basically, you can export any file. Folders have to be zipped first to export them.

    Having it being an AUv3 as well "opens" many, many possibilities. And - MIDI Out. So, no I wouldn't call BeatHawk more closed than Gadget by any stretch.

  • wimwim
    edited August 2017

    @MusicMan4Christ said:
    Thnks bro!

    I've been using BH a lot as well but can't figure out how to have one instance inside Cubasis respond to all 16 midi channels. Right now I have to have 16 separate instances so it's confusing the heck out of me. Any help appreciated.

    @wim said:
    Briefly:

    • Go to song mode and click export
    • Export Multi
    • Get out of song mode and go to the browser
    • Open Exports and you should see a folder with the export. Two-finger tap the folder and tap "Zip Directory" in the popup menu.
    • Two-finger tap the resulting zip file, and pick iCloud Export file. Then Locations to pick the destination (Dropbox, AudioShare, etc.)

    For midi it's similar, except you don't need to zip the folder. Just browse to the midi file, two-finger tap, etc.

    Basically, you can export any file. Folders have to be zipped first to export them.

    Having it being an AUv3 as well "opens" many, many possibilities. And - MIDI Out. So, no I wouldn't call BeatHawk more closed than Gadget by any stretch.

    Can you clarify where the 16 channels are coming from? Is this from an external controller, another app, Cubisis itself, or...? Also, in BeatHawk are you trying to play instruments in "keys" mode, or pads, or a combination?

    I might have some time to experiment later this evening if no one else provides an answer in the meantime.

  • I have KRFT with 16 different cells. One sending drums the others are bass etc pads synths etc.
    I don't know if I should be in key or pad mode.
    Also hosting all in AB3 on iPhone. I noticed KRFT only has 8 midi outs in AB3.

  • @MikeJDayton said:
    I think a lot of the sameness results from people using presets and not using EQ/effects.

    This.

    @LucidMusicInc said:
    The mix can get sloppy sounding quickly if you don't know what you're doing

    And this.

  • Gadget to me is what H9 is for my guitar playing ....inspiring ... I think thats what it is..its not aimed aimed to be a perfect piece of gear.... it will always have its critics

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