Navichord-Fresh Update Available 11/01/17

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@nick said:

@nonchai said:

@Navichord
We can now send different columns of the chord matrix to different midi channels or diffferent instruments.
What I have often wanted to do for a while in Navichord is send different rows of that chord matrix to different channels, or better even, send the lowest note of each chord to one midi channel and the highest note to a different channel or different instrument. So that the highest note is always played by a violin for example and the lowest always routed to a bass instrument.
would this functionality be possible to add?

unless i read you wrong, i think some of what you want can already be done as long as you are using NAVICHORD inside AudioBus3 in the MIDI page.

hi, thanks for considering this, I'll try to explain abit better -- what Navichord's voices option in AB3 do is that the instruments are sent to columns 1, 2, 3 etc of the Navichord chord grid. so the first note in the chord will always be one instrument, the second note another etc.
But that is not taking into account how high that note is. So for example if the chord is inverted etc, it would be cool if the highest note always goes to the same instrument, and the lowest note to one other instrument

of course, this would only work with chord progression, not with free playing, unless the implementation would be to have rows of the chord grid play out to different instruments. Then the user could choose to have the two bottom rows go to a bass for example and the top one or two to a flute.

Does this make sense?

Yes, it does make sense. Maybe a switch for voice sorting by pitch or chord degree.

@nonchai said:
a feature request : the simple Major chord is currenly only three notes in the chord- inversion grid for obvious reasons - but there are times hen having four notes available 9 doubling up one of the thee triad notes ) would be really useful for examplw when wanting to put a non-root chord note in the bass.

also as said before it would be good to be able to have a seoerate bass part that gets sent out over midi with a root, independent of the chord structure.

Noted down, thanks!

[Deleted User]

edited: just realized there's other apps for sending cc messages

Also the ability to play the keyboard is so awesome while the pads play cause one can send the keyboards midi data via a total separate midi channel and port!

Loving this app in conjunction with Dreamfoot! Like husband and wife love at first sight!

So blessed to have these two must have apps!

@Navichord said:

@nick said:

@nonchai said:

@Navichord
We can now send different columns of the chord matrix to different midi channels or diffferent instruments.
What I have often wanted to do for a while in Navichord is send different rows of that chord matrix to different channels, or better even, send the lowest note of each chord to one midi channel and the highest note to a different channel or different instrument. So that the highest note is always played by a violin for example and the lowest always routed to a bass instrument.
would this functionality be possible to add?

unless i read you wrong, i think some of what you want can already be done as long as you are using NAVICHORD inside AudioBus3 in the MIDI page.

hi, thanks for considering this, I'll try to explain abit better -- what Navichord's voices option in AB3 do is that the instruments are sent to columns 1, 2, 3 etc of the Navichord chord grid. so the first note in the chord will always be one instrument, the second note another etc.
But that is not taking into account how high that note is. So for example if the chord is inverted etc, it would be cool if the highest note always goes to the same instrument, and the lowest note to one other instrument

of course, this would only work with chord progression, not with free playing, unless the implementation would be to have rows of the chord grid play out to different instruments. Then the user could choose to have the two bottom rows go to a bass for example and the top one or two to a flute.

Does this make sense?

Yes, it does make sense. Maybe a switch for voice sorting by pitch or chord degree.

@nonchai said:
a feature request : the simple Major chord is currenly only three notes in the chord- inversion grid for obvious reasons - but there are times hen having four notes available 9 doubling up one of the thee triad notes ) would be really useful for examplw when wanting to put a non-root chord note in the bass.

also as said before it would be good to be able to have a seoerate bass part that gets sent out over midi with a root, independent of the chord structure.

Noted down, thanks!

nick

@Navichord said:

@nick said:

@nonchai said:

@Navichord
We can now send different columns of the chord matrix to different midi channels or diffferent instruments.
What I have often wanted to do for a while in Navichord is send different rows of that chord matrix to different channels, or better even, send the lowest note of each chord to one midi channel and the highest note to a different channel or different instrument. So that the highest note is always played by a violin for example and the lowest always routed to a bass instrument.
would this functionality be possible to add?

unless i read you wrong, i think some of what you want can already be done as long as you are using NAVICHORD inside AudioBus3 in the MIDI page.

hi, thanks for considering this, I'll try to explain abit better -- what Navichord's voices option in AB3 do is that the instruments are sent to columns 1, 2, 3 etc of the Navichord chord grid. so the first note in the chord will always be one instrument, the second note another etc.
But that is not taking into account how high that note is. So for example if the chord is inverted etc, it would be cool if the highest note always goes to the same instrument, and the lowest note to one other instrument

of course, this would only work with chord progression, not with free playing, unless the implementation would be to have rows of the chord grid play out to different instruments. Then the user could choose to have the two bottom rows go to a bass for example and the top one or two to a flute.

Does this make sense?

Yes, it does make sense. Maybe a switch for voice sorting by pitch or chord degree.

I'd love to see that!

Navichord

@MusicMan4Christ said:
Would it be too much to ask for the ability to send a start/stop message when pressing a pad? Say I wanna trigger another app to play or stop when a pad in Navichord is pressed. I really love the fact that In Navichord if you only have one pad playing a single note, it loops that note when one hits play on Navichord's transport. Could it be possible to send the message without having to add a note on the pad and still have Navichord loop on that pad? Hope it makes sense.

You could put a rest on the pad to loop without notes.
It looks like you only use Navichord keyboard in your flow, not chords?

Loving this app in conjunction with Dreamfoot! Like husband and wife love at first sight!

How do you use Navichord together with Dreamfoot?

[Deleted User]

I do use the chords big time! I have an AB3 preset where I only use Navichord to drive Addictive Pro Synth. But i had to use the other app along with Navichord because I'm waiting for Navichord's song mode and also, Dreamfoot is sending a specific chord progression to Infinite Synth, while I have Navichord Sending realtime Chords to Addictive Pro, while I play Navichord's keyboard lead driving Zeeon Synth all while Rock Drummer rocks on!

I made a youtube video, but I didn't get a chance to record this on that video cause i ran out of time and was soooo tired. I had totally forgotten how to setup for recording vocals and video stuff at the same time. I had to pull out my old hardware preamp and hook up a mic cause for some reason, my ipads mic would not record along with my UCA 202 iPad sound card. Weird, so i had to do it old school way. Then I couldn't figure out how to send all that stuff to the iPhone in realtime while the iphone did the video. Finally figured it out at the end but was so tired to do Navichord video so I just did the one with my little midi controller.

Check it out:

nonchai

@nick said:

@nonchai said:

@Navichord
We can now send different columns of the chord matrix to different midi channels or diffferent instruments.
What I have often wanted to do for a while in Navichord is send different rows of that chord matrix to different channels, or better even, send the lowest note of each chord to one midi channel and the highest note to a different channel or different instrument. So that the highest note is always played by a violin for example and the lowest always routed to a bass instrument.
would this functionality be possible to add?

unless i read you wrong, i think some of what you want can already be done as long as you are using NAVICHORD inside AudioBus3 in the MIDI page.

hi, thanks for considering this, I'll try to explain abit better -- what Navichord's voices option in AB3 do is that the instruments are sent to columns 1, 2, 3 etc of the Navichord chord grid. so the first note in the chord will always be one instrument, the second note another etc.
But that is not taking into account how high that note is. So for example if the chord is inverted etc, it would be cool if the highest note always goes to the same instrument, and the lowest note to one other instrument

of course, this would only work with chord progression, not with free playing, unless the implementation would be to have rows of the chord grid play out to different instruments. Then the user could choose to have the two bottom rows go to a bass for example and the top one or two to a flute.

Does this make sense?

Yes !- I never realised this !- i just assumed it was in order of pitch.
Good to know. thanks for the head up.

And yes - your suggestion makes a lot of sense to add - and explains some surprises i'd been getting when using NC in AB3 .

Jumpercollins

Dreamfoot showing up in AB Audio and midi receiver lanes after yesterday update however app is not loading.

Philh0954

@Jumpercollins said:
Dreamfoot showing up in AB Audio and midi receiver lanes after yesterday update however app is not loading.

Devoloper has said that an udate including Audiobus implementation will be out in a couple of weeks.

Navichord

@Jumpercollins you can ask the developer directly in this thread- https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/16174/new-app-dream-foot

Navichord

@MusicMan4Christ said:

Nice vid! Digging the bass with selectable patterns, didn't know Addictive synth can do that.

Jumpercollins

Cheers Navichord. Great app by the way looking forward to future updates.

nick

@nonchai said:

@nick said:

@nonchai said:

@Navichord
We can now send different columns of the chord matrix to different midi channels or diffferent instruments.
What I have often wanted to do for a while in Navichord is send different rows of that chord matrix to different channels, or better even, send the lowest note of each chord to one midi channel and the highest note to a different channel or different instrument. So that the highest note is always played by a violin for example and the lowest always routed to a bass instrument.
would this functionality be possible to add?

unless i read you wrong, i think some of what you want can already be done as long as you are using NAVICHORD inside AudioBus3 in the MIDI page.

hi, thanks for considering this, I'll try to explain abit better -- what Navichord's voices option in AB3 do is that the instruments are sent to columns 1, 2, 3 etc of the Navichord chord grid. so the first note in the chord will always be one instrument, the second note another etc.
But that is not taking into account how high that note is. So for example if the chord is inverted etc, it would be cool if the highest note always goes to the same instrument, and the lowest note to one other instrument

of course, this would only work with chord progression, not with free playing, unless the implementation would be to have rows of the chord grid play out to different instruments. Then the user could choose to have the two bottom rows go to a bass for example and the top one or two to a flute.

Does this make sense?

Yes !- I never realised this !- i just assumed it was in order of pitch.
Good to know. thanks for the head up.

And yes - your suggestion makes a lot of sense to add - and explains some surprises i'd been getting when using NC in AB3 .

Luckily, it might be relatively straighforward to implement this, it does not need any interface change sor anything, possibly just an option in the midi settings.

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@Navichord said:
It will allow to store several progressions per preset + a way to switch between them.

Fan-flipping-tastic. One day, all developers will be made this way.

[Deleted User]

Thanks! I'll try to make a Navichord video as it's driving Addictive Pro Synth and I do leads or change Bass Arps. That's why Song Mode is gonna rock in Navichord cause it'll allow us to program the chord progressions and allow for switching Arps in bass track or do leads.

@Navichord said:

@MusicMan4Christ said:

Nice vid! Digging the bass with selectable patterns, didn't know Addictive synth can do that.

[Deleted User]

The new Song Mode beta is going really well!!!
I'm really digging how stable and rock solid Navichord is right now. I did notice that on my iPad Air 1 I get more CPU usage while using it in AB3 than AUM latest. I can run Navichord, two instances of Poison-202 , Funk Drummer and Zeeon with CPU at around 68% max but same setup in AB3 crackles a lot. Again might be my hardware but I'm loving the flexibility to record a whole song in a single pass!

Can't wait for full song mode version being cooked up by our dear developer Denis!

nonchai

I have one more - VERY IMPORTANT chord to add - The sus13 chord. - which is missing from NC - and used all the time in both Jazz and soul/R&B music: also technicaly called 7 sus13. ( it really belongs in the dominant 7 group imo )

Here is a video explaining it and demoing how it sounds.

It is also often found written as a slash chord - where its the root below the slash - then a major triad on top starting on the minor 7th degree. For example G/A A/B D/E - this is the 4-note version of the chord - bass+triad.
The sus 13 form is a 5 note chord- bass + 4 note chord played a tone below the root ( a major 7th chord )

The 4-note (slash chord ) version omits the 5th and 6th, whereas the 5-note sus 13 includes the 6th but omits the 5th.

Heres a youtube man explaining it. The fifth is very often left out of the chord. You'll find this played for example in famous Herbie Hancock 70s 80s tunes. But its found all over the place.

nonchai

As found here

nonchai

And...... of course...... most famously - this one..

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@nonchai said:
I have one more - VERY IMPORTANT chord to add - The sus13 chord. - which is missing from NC - and used all the time in both Jazz and soul/R&B music: also technically called 7 sus13. ( it really belongs in the dominant 7 group imo )
The sus 13 form is a 5 note chord- bass + 4 note chord played a tone below the root ( a major 7th chord )

The 4-note (slash chord ) version omits the 5th and 6th, whereas the 5-note sus 13 includes the 6th but omits the 5th.

Sure, no problem! I'll add the 5 -note version

ricksteruk

@MusicMan4Christ said:
I do use the chords big time! I have an AB3 preset where I only use Navichord to drive Addictive Pro Synth. But i had to use the other app along with Navichord because I'm waiting for Navichord's song mode and also, Dreamfoot is sending a specific chord progression to Infinite Synth, while I have Navichord Sending realtime Chords to Addictive Pro, while I play Navichord's keyboard lead driving Zeeon Synth all while Rock Drummer rocks on!

I made a youtube video, but I didn't get a chance to record this on that video cause i ran out of time and was soooo tired. I had totally forgotten how to setup for recording vocals and video stuff at the same time. I had to pull out my old hardware preamp and hook up a mic cause for some reason, my ipads mic would not record along with my UCA 202 iPad sound card. Weird, so i had to do it old school way. Then I couldn't figure out how to send all that stuff to the iPhone in realtime while the iphone did the video. Finally figured it out at the end but was so tired to do Navichord video so I just did the one with my little midi controller.

Check it out:

Really awesome stuff

I've been trying out a similar idea but using guitar. Midi guitar app feeds into Midiflow, which has then got a split at Eb so the bottom E string is separated. The low split gets sent to StepPolyArp to make a riff for the baseline. (Using a split is not ideal really - what I want is to be able to isolate the lowest note)

Sometimes I also sent the low note but pitched up a couple of octaves as a drone to a pad synth.

The main part of the Midi signal can be sent to a different synth - perhaps strings or keys or whatever. And of course the real guitar sound can be brought into the mix.

Setting StepPolyArp into latch mode means I can trigger off a bass line and then go off and play melodies over the top.

But I think using a keyboard is better really - cause you can play a bass line / chords with left hand while doing a melody on the right. That's not so easy on guitar unless you have some supreme fretboard skills (which I do not... Lol)

I have been moving towards trying this in Ableton live, but was struggling to find an arp I liked as much as StepPolyArp.
I wonder if Navichord might be useful to me.

[Deleted User]

Thanks! I'll try to post my preset tomorrow.

Navichord

@ricksteruk said:
I have been moving towards trying this in Ableton live, but was struggling to find an arp I liked as much as StepPolyArp.
I wonder if Navichord might be useful to me.

Navichord is not an arp, but if you are looking for a place to discover chords - this could be it. There is a free Lite version for iPad, check it out - bitly.com/Navichord-Lite

[Deleted User]

I’m really excited about the new Navichord’s song features and extra goodies! I’ve been sending progressions into Xequence and I just can’t wait for everyone to start enjoying this amazing up HUGE update!

Navichord is and will be the ultimate App for Chords! I’m loving how rock solid this app is as well!

Denis is an awesome developer and I’m just so grateful for his desire to cater to his fan base and users!

I’d really like to know how you’re using Navichord in your workflow. I’ve been wanting to record a video using Navichord on the iPhone with Xequence but haven’t had any time. But for me right now, Navichord is truly a must have tool to record a sequence of Chords into your favorite DAW and to also record a melody at the same time for those that love to record in realtime like me.

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It got messed up
When I installed my Navichord Beta it got erased accidentally
But once the main release update goes live I’m gonna recreate it. Actually unless Denis changes anything I’m goong to recreate it now and it should work but I’d rather wait for the major update to go live.

Actually it’s gonna be way better cause now I have Poison 202 and that sounds so awesome too! I needed to make the preset as light as possible on the iPad Air1 but Zeeon is super awesome but my Air 1 barely hangs in there. If I increased the buffer to 1024 it ran way better.

@tja said:

@MusicMan4Christ said:
I do use the chords big time! I have an AB3 preset where I only use Navichord to drive Addictive Pro Synth. But i had to use the other app along with Navichord because I'm waiting for Navichord's song mode and also, Dreamfoot is sending a specific chord progression to Infinite Synth, while I have Navichord Sending realtime Chords to Addictive Pro, while I play Navichord's keyboard lead driving Zeeon Synth all while Rock Drummer rocks on!

I made a youtube video, but I didn't get a chance to record this on that video cause i ran out of time and was soooo tired. I had totally forgotten how to setup for recording vocals and video stuff at the same time. I had to pull out my old hardware preamp and hook up a mic cause for some reason, my ipads mic would not record along with my UCA 202 iPad sound card. Weird, so i had to do it old school way. Then I couldn't figure out how to send all that stuff to the iPhone in realtime while the iphone did the video. Finally figured it out at the end but was so tired to do Navichord video so I just did the one with my little midi controller.

Check it out:

You you pleaseeeeeee share your AudioBus preset????

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No I mean when I installed the beta it erased my main install but let me check my Dropbox. I know that I had made some more tweaks to it.

ricksteruk

@tja said:

@ricksteruk said:

@MusicMan4Christ said:
I do use the chords big time! I have an AB3 preset where I only use Navichord to drive Addictive Pro Synth. But i had to use the other app along with Navichord because I'm waiting for Navichord's song mode and also, Dreamfoot is sending a specific chord progression to Infinite Synth, while I have Navichord Sending realtime Chords to Addictive Pro, while I play Navichord's keyboard lead driving Zeeon Synth all while Rock Drummer rocks on!

I made a youtube video, but I didn't get a chance to record this on that video cause i ran out of time and was soooo tired. I had totally forgotten how to setup for recording vocals and video stuff at the same time. I had to pull out my old hardware preamp and hook up a mic cause for some reason, my ipads mic would not record along with my UCA 202 iPad sound card. Weird, so i had to do it old school way. Then I couldn't figure out how to send all that stuff to the iPhone in realtime while the iphone did the video. Finally figured it out at the end but was so tired to do Navichord video so I just did the one with my little midi controller.

Check it out:

Really awesome stuff

I've been trying out a similar idea but using guitar. Midi guitar app feeds into Midiflow, which has then got a split at Eb so the bottom E string is separated. The low split gets sent to StepPolyArp to make a riff for the baseline. (Using a split is not ideal really - what I want is to be able to isolate the lowest note)

Sometimes I also sent the low note but pitched up a couple of octaves as a drone to a pad synth.

The main part of the Midi signal can be sent to a different synth - perhaps strings or keys or whatever. And of course the real guitar sound can be brought into the mix.

Setting StepPolyArp into latch mode means I can trigger off a bass line and then go off and play melodies over the top.

But I think using a keyboard is better really - cause you can play a bass line / chords with left hand while doing a melody on the right. That's not so easy on guitar unless you have some supreme fretboard skills (which I do not... Lol)

I have been moving towards trying this in Ableton live, but was struggling to find an arp I liked as much as StepPolyArp.
I wonder if Navichord might be useful to me.

You do this in AudioBus?
If yes, could you possibly share your preset???

It's the (standalone) that does the splitting and so on - I don't think it's possible with the Audiobus plugins.. pretty sure I tried the AB3 versions first.