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SPIRITUALITY & FAITH: Role in your music?

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  • @craftycurate said:

    @[Deleted User] said:

    @gusgranite said:
    Just my personal view here and no disrespect intended...I think this is a great forum when the discussion of religion (and politics) is avoided entirely. Someone always seems to get banned for starters. It just never seems to go well.

    I think @RUST( i )K is not after a religious discussion here, he is asking if ones persuasion affects the music they make. It’s a relevant and interesting question. No doubt there will be objections but I’m happy about this thread :)

    But I agree that politics should totally be banned from the forum lol

    +1 ... there's a big difference between someone sharing how their personal beliefs/worldview etc influence their creativity, which is what the OP was asking, and mud slinging arguments between people who are just trying to beat the other guy down.

    Great topic for a discussion.

    My spirituality connects with my creativity at the deepest level ... both come from the deeper layers of a person, and can feed each other. For me that's a Christian faith, which is my foundation, of but I have friends of a range of different persuasions and worldviews and we have some very interesting conversations.

    I appreciate creativity that comes from a deep place in a person, whether it's music, writing, film-making or whatever, regardless of the faith or worldview of the creator, and music that comes from a deep place can touch the soul and tap into our universal desires, struggles, questions, yearnings etc as human beings and I can feel when someone's creativity is reaching into my soul.

    e.g. I was listening to some wonderful music by a Ukrainian composer the other day, and the haunting melody cut my heart like a knife - the music was born from something that has been very painful in her life and the music was all the richer for it.

    You are our resident Curate so I would expect nothing less! :smile:

    Music was key in helping me to walk away from 'faith' but now I reflect on my original comment from 6 years ago that you quoted, I concede that there is a respectful discussion to be had here.

  • edited October 2023

    @gusgranite said:

    @craftycurate said:

    @[Deleted User] said:

    @gusgranite said:
    Just my personal view here and no disrespect intended...I think this is a great forum when the discussion of religion (and politics) is avoided entirely. Someone always seems to get banned for starters. It just never seems to go well.

    I think @RUST( i )K is not after a religious discussion here, he is asking if ones persuasion affects the music they make. It’s a relevant and interesting question. No doubt there will be objections but I’m happy about this thread :)

    But I agree that politics should totally be banned from the forum lol

    +1 ... there's a big difference between someone sharing how their personal beliefs/worldview etc influence their creativity, which is what the OP was asking, and mud slinging arguments between people who are just trying to beat the other guy down.

    Great topic for a discussion.

    My spirituality connects with my creativity at the deepest level ... both come from the deeper layers of a person, and can feed each other. For me that's a Christian faith, which is my foundation, of but I have friends of a range of different persuasions and worldviews and we have some very interesting conversations.

    I appreciate creativity that comes from a deep place in a person, whether it's music, writing, film-making or whatever, regardless of the faith or worldview of the creator, and music that comes from a deep place can touch the soul and tap into our universal desires, struggles, questions, yearnings etc as human beings and I can feel when someone's creativity is reaching into my soul.

    e.g. I was listening to some wonderful music by a Ukrainian composer the other day, and the haunting melody cut my heart like a knife - the music was born from something that has been very painful in her life and the music was all the richer for it.

    You are our resident Curate so I would expect nothing less! :smile:

    Haha busted! 😀 Well, kind of … I left that chapter of my life behind 15 years ago, sold up, and headed off into the wilds on a kind of pilgrimage to Canada, and, well, that’s a story best told on a long hike or round a camp fire.

    Music was key in helping me to walk away from 'faith' but now I reflect on my original comment from 6 years ago that you quoted, I concede that there is a respectful discussion to be had here.

    Apologies, I hadn’t noticed that this thread and your post were from 6 years ago as the whole thread was new to me so it all appeared as “new” … I do enjoy hearing people’s stories. PM me if you wish 👍

  • @michael_m said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:
    We have faith we wake up the next day, our car will start

    You obviously never owned the type of car I had to drive in my teens and early 20s…

    😂 what did you drive?

  • @gusgranite said:

    @craftycurate said:

    @[Deleted User] said:

    @gusgranite said:
    Just my personal view here and no disrespect intended...I think this is a great forum when the discussion of religion (and politics) is avoided entirely. Someone always seems to get banned for starters. It just never seems to go well.

    I think @RUST( i )K is not after a religious discussion here, he is asking if ones persuasion affects the music they make. It’s a relevant and interesting question. No doubt there will be objections but I’m happy about this thread :)

    But I agree that politics should totally be banned from the forum lol

    +1 ... there's a big difference between someone sharing how their personal beliefs/worldview etc influence their creativity, which is what the OP was asking, and mud slinging arguments between people who are just trying to beat the other guy down.

    Great topic for a discussion.

    My spirituality connects with my creativity at the deepest level ... both come from the deeper layers of a person, and can feed each other. For me that's a Christian faith, which is my foundation, of but I have friends of a range of different persuasions and worldviews and we have some very interesting conversations.

    I appreciate creativity that comes from a deep place in a person, whether it's music, writing, film-making or whatever, regardless of the faith or worldview of the creator, and music that comes from a deep place can touch the soul and tap into our universal desires, struggles, questions, yearnings etc as human beings and I can feel when someone's creativity is reaching into my soul.

    e.g. I was listening to some wonderful music by a Ukrainian composer the other day, and the haunting melody cut my heart like a knife - the music was born from something that has been very painful in her life and the music was all the richer for it.

    You are our resident Curate so I would expect nothing less! :smile:

    Music was key in helping me to walk away from 'faith' but now I reflect on my original comment from 6 years ago that you quoted, I concede that there is a respectful discussion to be had here.

    Exactly. I'm of the mindset that there's always polite discussion to be had on any topic, not just on religion and politics. ❤️ It's all about respecting others and trying to see the good in others.

    When I was in faith, I used to tend to see people as "inherently bad/sinful". I was miserable. Definitely an unhealthy mindset for one to adopt. Since I left faith, I now tend to believe there is good in everyone and tend to be mostly positive. Of course there will always be a small handful of bad people anywhere one goes, regardless of background, beliefs, attractions, etc, but to me most people are good, just living their lives, trying to make ends meet, etc.

    When I see someone in need, I try to help them. When I have the time to do so, when I spot a homeless person, I don't just buy them food. I eat with them. Some of the life stories I've heard range from the heartbreaking to the fascinating. If I'm really crunched for time, I sadly can only buy them something to eat. I do all this not for any faith I have in a deity but because I try to see the good in everyone.

    Of course this is simply my own personal testimony and does not apply to others here. Nobody has to believe what I believe and vice versa. ❤️ I have many friends from all walks of life. So long as someone doesn't try to force their beliefs and viewpoints on me, and they do no harm to me, themselves or others, I'm pretty chill with them. ☺️

    Yeah I'm rather sloshed at the moment from imbibing on delicious hard liquor, so I'm definitely in my philosophical bag, oversharing and relaxing in bed before I nod off. 😂🤣

  • @Stuntman_mike said:

    @michael_m said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:
    We have faith we wake up the next day, our car will start

    You obviously never owned the type of car I had to drive in my teens and early 20s…

    😂 what did you drive?

    Probably a dodgy Pontiac Aztek. 🤣

  • @Stuntman_mike said:

    @michael_m said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:
    We have faith we wake up the next day, our car will start

    You obviously never owned the type of car I had to drive in my teens and early 20s…

    😂 what did you drive?

    Whatever I could afford, which was usually something where I had to slip the garage owner a few bucks on the side to get it through inspection.

  • @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:

    @michael_m said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:
    We have faith we wake up the next day, our car will start

    You obviously never owned the type of car I had to drive in my teens and early 20s…

    😂 what did you drive?

    Probably a dodgy Pontiac Aztek. 🤣

    Not the Aztek 🙃

  • @michael_m said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:

    @michael_m said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:
    We have faith we wake up the next day, our car will start

    You obviously never owned the type of car I had to drive in my teens and early 20s…

    😂 what did you drive?

    Whatever I could afford, which was usually something where I had to slip the garage owner a few bucks on the side to get it through inspection.

    Oh wow…

    My mom bought a brand new Jeep many years ago, it only had like 12 miles on it. We drove to a store afterwards and the transmission died within the hour of buying it. Needless to say my mom was given another new Jeep by the dealership. Life can be unpredictable.

  • @Stuntman_mike said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:

    @michael_m said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:
    We have faith we wake up the next day, our car will start

    You obviously never owned the type of car I had to drive in my teens and early 20s…

    😂 what did you drive?

    Probably a dodgy Pontiac Aztek. 🤣

    Not the Aztek 🙃

    😂 Not knocking anyone if they actually like that particular car, but me I drive a flex fuel Chevy. 😎

  • edited October 2023

    …I can also share at least three instances of people who lost their jobs at different times, we prayed diligently about it and all three people ended up with better positions with better pay and more afterwards 🙌🏽🙏🏻🤷🏽‍♂️

    I also have testimonies about how I got some of the music hardware I own… and, the things that happened afterwards that made sense to why the hardware happened when it did.

    Perhaps it’s law of attraction from some, but prayer works for me. Pray about it, do your part, leave it be and pay attention… the path becomes clear.

  • @Stuntman_mike said:
    …I can also share at least three instances of people who lost their jobs at different times, we prayed diligently about it and all three people ended up with better paying jobs and more afterwards 🙌🏽🙏🏻🤷🏽‍♂️

    I also have testimonies about how I got some of the music hardware I own… and, the things that happened afterwards that made sense to why the hardware happened when it did.

    I'm very curious to hear your testimonies. :) See, I love hearing about all walks of life, not just the walks of life that are similar to my own. That's one thing I like to be is open minded. ❤️ Preach brother!

  • edited October 2023

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:
    …I can also share at least three instances of people who lost their jobs at different times, we prayed diligently about it and all three people ended up with better paying jobs and more afterwards 🙌🏽🙏🏻🤷🏽‍♂️

    I also have testimonies about how I got some of the music hardware I own… and, the things that happened afterwards that made sense to why the hardware happened when it did.

    I'm very curious to hear your testimonies. :) See, I love hearing about all walks of life, not just the walks of life that are similar to my own. That's one thing I like to be is open minded. ❤️ Preach brother!

    Right on!
    So recently I received a call from a supervisor at work that I have been mentoring over the years. She called me crying, screaming because she got fired. It was awful and very unfair… the lady is a single mother of 4 kids and was talking about taking her own life. I talked with her for nearly three hours that day “talking her off the ledge” per se then consistently checked on her for the next two weeks.

    I felt impressed to tell her that I have experienced what she has experienced and witnessed someone in the same situation and the outcome was a blessing in disguise. I also felt impressed to tell her to go home, spend time with her kids and allow her time not working to be a vacation because she was overworking and that I felt a HUGE blessing coming her way. Often times, in my experience, God removes us from situations that are unfavorable and opens opportunities to bless us abundantly, especially when it seems like something bad happens out of nowhere, unexplainable.

    As the weeks went on, she stopped crying and started relaxing. Years before her promotions she was dealing with an abusive husband who she finally divorced but before their relationship ended she got arrested. She got fed up one day and asked her husband to leave after being abusive and he told her he was only leaving if the police removed him. So she grabbed her phone to call the police and he went to grab it from her then during the struggle for the phone she accidentally scratched his face. When the police arrived, she got arrested.

    Fast forward to two weeks ago, I received a call that not only did she receive a job offer for a supervisor position but she also received an job offer for a manager (promotion #3) position that paid a lot more than her previous job!!!! 🙌🏽

    She was so grateful for our conversations about faith, prayer and “preparing her field for rain” because she was ready to give up but ended up better off ❤️

  • @Stuntman_mike said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:
    …I can also share at least three instances of people who lost their jobs at different times, we prayed diligently about it and all three people ended up with better paying jobs and more afterwards 🙌🏽🙏🏻🤷🏽‍♂️

    I also have testimonies about how I got some of the music hardware I own… and, the things that happened afterwards that made sense to why the hardware happened when it did.

    I'm very curious to hear your testimonies. :) See, I love hearing about all walks of life, not just the walks of life that are similar to my own. That's one thing I like to be is open minded. ❤️ Preach brother!

    Right on!
    So recently I received a call from a supervisor at work that I have been mentoring over the years. She called me crying, screaming because she got fired. It was awful and very unfair… the lady is a single mother of 4 kids and was talking about taking her own life. I talked with her for nearly three hours that day “talking her off the ledge” per se then consistently checked on her for the next two weeks.

    I felt impressed to tell her that I have experienced what she has experienced and witnessed someone in the same situation and the outcome was a blessing in disguise. I also felt impressed to tell her to go home, spend time with her kids and allow her time not working to be a vacation because she was overworking and that I felt a HUGE blessing coming her way. Often times, in my experience, God removes us from situations that are unfavorable and opens opportunities to bless us abundantly, especially when it seems like something bad happens out of nowhere, unexplainable.

    As the weeks went on, she stopped crying and started relaxing. Years before her promotions she was dealing with an abusive husband who she finally divorced but before their relationship ended she got arrested. She got fed up one day and asked her husband to leave after being abusive and he told he was only leaving if the police removed him. So she grabbed her phone to call the police and he went to grab it from her then during the struggle for the phone she accidentally scratched face. When the police arrived, she got arrested.

    Fast forward to two weeks ago, I received a call that not only did receive a job offer for a supervisor position but she also received an job offer for a manager position that paid a lot more than her previous job!!!! 🙌🏽

    She was so grateful our conversations about faith, prayer and “preparing her field for rain” because she was ready to give up. ❤️

    That's an amazing testimony! I'm glad to hear it all worked out in the end for you and her both. ❤️

  • @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:
    …I can also share at least three instances of people who lost their jobs at different times, we prayed diligently about it and all three people ended up with better paying jobs and more afterwards 🙌🏽🙏🏻🤷🏽‍♂️

    I also have testimonies about how I got some of the music hardware I own… and, the things that happened afterwards that made sense to why the hardware happened when it did.

    I'm very curious to hear your testimonies. :) See, I love hearing about all walks of life, not just the walks of life that are similar to my own. That's one thing I like to be is open minded. ❤️ Preach brother!

    Right on!
    So recently I received a call from a supervisor at work that I have been mentoring over the years. She called me crying, screaming because she got fired. It was awful and very unfair… the lady is a single mother of 4 kids and was talking about taking her own life. I talked with her for nearly three hours that day “talking her off the ledge” per se then consistently checked on her for the next two weeks.

    I felt impressed to tell her that I have experienced what she has experienced and witnessed someone in the same situation and the outcome was a blessing in disguise. I also felt impressed to tell her to go home, spend time with her kids and allow her time not working to be a vacation because she was overworking and that I felt a HUGE blessing coming her way. Often times, in my experience, God removes us from situations that are unfavorable and opens opportunities to bless us abundantly, especially when it seems like something bad happens out of nowhere, unexplainable.

    As the weeks went on, she stopped crying and started relaxing. Years before her promotions she was dealing with an abusive husband who she finally divorced but before their relationship ended she got arrested. She got fed up one day and asked her husband to leave after being abusive and he told he was only leaving if the police removed him. So she grabbed her phone to call the police and he went to grab it from her then during the struggle for the phone she accidentally scratched face. When the police arrived, she got arrested.

    Fast forward to two weeks ago, I received a call that not only did receive a job offer for a supervisor position but she also received an job offer for a manager position that paid a lot more than her previous job!!!! 🙌🏽

    She was so grateful our conversations about faith, prayer and “preparing her field for rain” because she was ready to give up. ❤️

    That's an amazing testimony! I'm glad to hear it all worked out in the end for you and her both. ❤️

    Hey man, I gotta say amen!

  • @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:
    …I can also share at least three instances of people who lost their jobs at different times, we prayed diligently about it and all three people ended up with better paying jobs and more afterwards 🙌🏽🙏🏻🤷🏽‍♂️

    I also have testimonies about how I got some of the music hardware I own… and, the things that happened afterwards that made sense to why the hardware happened when it did.

    I'm very curious to hear your testimonies. :) See, I love hearing about all walks of life, not just the walks of life that are similar to my own. That's one thing I like to be is open minded. ❤️ Preach brother!

    Right on!
    So recently I received a call from a supervisor at work that I have been mentoring over the years. She called me crying, screaming because she got fired. It was awful and very unfair… the lady is a single mother of 4 kids and was talking about taking her own life. I talked with her for nearly three hours that day “talking her off the ledge” per se then consistently checked on her for the next two weeks.

    I felt impressed to tell her that I have experienced what she has experienced and witnessed someone in the same situation and the outcome was a blessing in disguise. I also felt impressed to tell her to go home, spend time with her kids and allow her time not working to be a vacation because she was overworking and that I felt a HUGE blessing coming her way. Often times, in my experience, God removes us from situations that are unfavorable and opens opportunities to bless us abundantly, especially when it seems like something bad happens out of nowhere, unexplainable.

    As the weeks went on, she stopped crying and started relaxing. Years before her promotions she was dealing with an abusive husband who she finally divorced but before their relationship ended she got arrested. She got fed up one day and asked her husband to leave after being abusive and he told he was only leaving if the police removed him. So she grabbed her phone to call the police and he went to grab it from her then during the struggle for the phone she accidentally scratched face. When the police arrived, she got arrested.

    Fast forward to two weeks ago, I received a call that not only did receive a job offer for a supervisor position but she also received an job offer for a manager position that paid a lot more than her previous job!!!! 🙌🏽

    She was so grateful our conversations about faith, prayer and “preparing her field for rain” because she was ready to give up. ❤️

    That's an amazing testimony! I'm glad to hear it all worked out in the end for you and her both. ❤️

    There’s actually more to this story that began on her first day at work before we knew each other… amazing stuff bro.

  • @Stuntman_mike said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:
    …I can also share at least three instances of people who lost their jobs at different times, we prayed diligently about it and all three people ended up with better paying jobs and more afterwards 🙌🏽🙏🏻🤷🏽‍♂️

    I also have testimonies about how I got some of the music hardware I own… and, the things that happened afterwards that made sense to why the hardware happened when it did.

    I'm very curious to hear your testimonies. :) See, I love hearing about all walks of life, not just the walks of life that are similar to my own. That's one thing I like to be is open minded. ❤️ Preach brother!

    Right on!
    So recently I received a call from a supervisor at work that I have been mentoring over the years. She called me crying, screaming because she got fired. It was awful and very unfair… the lady is a single mother of 4 kids and was talking about taking her own life. I talked with her for nearly three hours that day “talking her off the ledge” per se then consistently checked on her for the next two weeks.

    I felt impressed to tell her that I have experienced what she has experienced and witnessed someone in the same situation and the outcome was a blessing in disguise. I also felt impressed to tell her to go home, spend time with her kids and allow her time not working to be a vacation because she was overworking and that I felt a HUGE blessing coming her way. Often times, in my experience, God removes us from situations that are unfavorable and opens opportunities to bless us abundantly, especially when it seems like something bad happens out of nowhere, unexplainable.

    As the weeks went on, she stopped crying and started relaxing. Years before her promotions she was dealing with an abusive husband who she finally divorced but before their relationship ended she got arrested. She got fed up one day and asked her husband to leave after being abusive and he told he was only leaving if the police removed him. So she grabbed her phone to call the police and he went to grab it from her then during the struggle for the phone she accidentally scratched face. When the police arrived, she got arrested.

    Fast forward to two weeks ago, I received a call that not only did receive a job offer for a supervisor position but she also received an job offer for a manager position that paid a lot more than her previous job!!!! 🙌🏽

    She was so grateful our conversations about faith, prayer and “preparing her field for rain” because she was ready to give up. ❤️

    That's an amazing testimony! I'm glad to hear it all worked out in the end for you and her both. ❤️

    There’s actually more to this story that began on her first day at work before we knew each other… amazing stuff bro.

    Sweet. If it's private between you and her, best to keep it private. If not, feel free to share here. :)

  • edited October 2023

    This works for me too, if I really want something (either physical thing or some event, experience) I just decide I will have it / experience it - I just consider it as matter of fact - and then I leave it be..

    That that simple it is. I noticed it is important to not put too much importance on it - if you want something too much it prevents it from happening, you still have in you that feeling of emptyness, that feeling you actually missing something - which causes you will always miss it..

    No, it's just about just causal decision "ok, this is going to be thing" and then leaving it be, concentrating on other things..

    Works always like a magic. My entire life.

  • edited October 2023

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Stuntman_mike said:
    …I can also share at least three instances of people who lost their jobs at different times, we prayed diligently about it and all three people ended up with better paying jobs and more afterwards 🙌🏽🙏🏻🤷🏽‍♂️

    I also have testimonies about how I got some of the music hardware I own… and, the things that happened afterwards that made sense to why the hardware happened when it did.

    I'm very curious to hear your testimonies. :) See, I love hearing about all walks of life, not just the walks of life that are similar to my own. That's one thing I like to be is open minded. ❤️ Preach brother!

    Right on!
    So recently I received a call from a supervisor at work that I have been mentoring over the years. She called me crying, screaming because she got fired. It was awful and very unfair… the lady is a single mother of 4 kids and was talking about taking her own life. I talked with her for nearly three hours that day “talking her off the ledge” per se then consistently checked on her for the next two weeks.

    I felt impressed to tell her that I have experienced what she has experienced and witnessed someone in the same situation and the outcome was a blessing in disguise. I also felt impressed to tell her to go home, spend time with her kids and allow her time not working to be a vacation because she was overworking and that I felt a HUGE blessing coming her way. Often times, in my experience, God removes us from situations that are unfavorable and opens opportunities to bless us abundantly, especially when it seems like something bad happens out of nowhere, unexplainable.

    As the weeks went on, she stopped crying and started relaxing. Years before her promotions she was dealing with an abusive husband who she finally divorced but before their relationship ended she got arrested. She got fed up one day and asked her husband to leave after being abusive and he told he was only leaving if the police removed him. So she grabbed her phone to call the police and he went to grab it from her then during the struggle for the phone she accidentally scratched face. When the police arrived, she got arrested.

    Fast forward to two weeks ago, I received a call that not only did receive a job offer for a supervisor position but she also received an job offer for a manager position that paid a lot more than her previous job!!!! 🙌🏽

    She was so grateful our conversations about faith, prayer and “preparing her field for rain” because she was ready to give up. ❤️

    That's an amazing testimony! I'm glad to hear it all worked out in the end for you and her both. ❤️

    There’s actually more to this story that began on her first day at work before we knew each other… amazing stuff bro.

    Sweet. If it's private between you and her, best to keep it private. If not, feel free to share here. :)

    Nothing private… It was just an interesting moment because I was in the employee clinic getting checked and she was there for her first day at work. I knew nothing about her, but noticed her for some reason, I mean she is beautiful, but it wasn’t that. I was drawn to her… then a week later we were working in the same office.

    Several months later we talked for the first time then eventually began to communicate regularly. She helped me with an idea or two, using her artistic talents then eventually asked me for advice about getting promoted… 5 years later the rest is history, but do you feel how there was an initial encounter that was special, but unexplainable? Who would’ve known I’d end up mentoring her to three promotions and in between interceding, talking her from suicide. I truly take no credit for this sequence of events, I was just listening, if that makes sense. It renewed my faith too 🙏🏻

  • @dendy said:
    This works for me too, if I really want something (either physical thing or some event, experience) I just decide I will have it / experience it - I just consider it as matter of fact - and then I leave it be..

    That that simple it is. I noticed it is important to not put too much importance on it - if you want something too much it prevents it from happening, you still have in you that feeling of emptyness, that feeling you actually missing something - which causes you will always miss it..

    No, it's just about just causal decision "ok, this is going to be thing" and then leaving it be, concentrating on other things..

    Works always like a magic. My entire life.

    🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽

  • @dendy said:
    universe is very strange .. just consider that according theory of relativity time flows differently based on frame of reference - what is one’s past may be other’s future, it depends on how fast and in which direction they move

    basically it leads to conclusion that everything what happened, is happening and will happen exists simultaneously, at once.

    Now just imagine time had dimension just as space does, we would inhabit the flat land of time.

  • @dendy said:
    This works for me too, if I really want something (either physical thing or some event, experience) I just decide I will have it / experience it - I just consider it as matter of fact - and then I leave it be..

    That that simple it is. I noticed it is important to not put too much importance on it - if you want something too much it prevents it from happening, you still have in you that feeling of emptyness, that feeling you actually missing something - which causes you will always miss it..

    No, it's just about just causal decision "ok, this is going to be thing" and then leaving it be, concentrating on other things..

    Works always like a magic. My entire life.

    So if you do this, deciding that you and your wife will get a lambo, and she does it, deciding that you two will get a ferrari, and both have the same amount of importance without too much craving attached, what will the result be? 🤔

  • edited October 2023

    @Gavinski said:

    So if you do this, deciding that you and your wife will get a lambo, and she does it, deciding that you two will get a ferrari, and both have the same amount of importance without too much craving attached, what will the result be? 🤔

    Isn't it obvious ? We get both :smiley:

    Also not everybody is equally powerful in materialising things :lol: Sometimes just one intention wins over other. World is really competitive environment.

    Very honestly - when i look back at my life, i have really problem to remember single one instance of thing / event which was for me important, and i didn't got it sooner or later at some point after i decided i want that in my life. Most of them without any significant effort from my side. It's almost scary.

  • wimwim
    edited October 2023

    I’ve seen over and over that it works the other way around as well. In fact more so.

    People that are always expecting bad things find them like no one else. It’s so consistent that even though I’m a huge skeptic about most things, I’m absolutely convinced.

  • wimwim
    edited October 2023

    Maybe that’s my musical Achilles Heel. 🧐
    I fully expect what I come up with will be lame … and so it is.
    Time for a rethink. 😬

  • edited October 2023

    @wim said:
    I’ve seen over and over that it works the other way around as well. In fact more so.

    People that are always expecting bad things find them like no one else. It’s so consistent that even though I’m a huge skeptic about most things, I’m absolutely convinced.

    I didn’t say it works just for “good” things. At the end “good” and “bad” are just abstract human concepts, and they are very relative (in many cases good for one is bad for other one) Or even what you think is good for you may turn out to bring more negative than positive impact.

    Universe doesn’t care about human good / bad concept :-)

    Of course it works both ways. So be very careful what you have in your head.

  • @wim said:
    I’ve seen over and over that it works the other way around as well. In fact more so.

    People that are always expecting bad things find them like no one else. It’s so consistent that even though I’m a huge skeptic about most things, I’m absolutely convinced.

    There are quite often major events sponsored by religious leaders to get millions of people around the world to pray for significant events to occur, such as peace in a part of the world, or an end to a famine. We all see the outcome as nothing changes.

    The truth is that it’s statistically a lot more likely that an event an individual prays for will occur simply due to coincidence. The more unlikely an event is to occur statistically the less likely prayers will ‘work’.

    I have zero interest in there being a reality behind ancient mythologies or membership of any organized religion, but just common sense tells me that whether or not asking an unknowable being for something works is unprovable if you don’t know cause and effect.

  • @michael_m said:

    @wim said:
    I’ve seen over and over that it works the other way around as well. In fact more so.

    People that are always expecting bad things find them like no one else. It’s so consistent that even though I’m a huge skeptic about most things, I’m absolutely convinced.

    There are quite often major events sponsored by religious leaders to get millions of people around the world to pray for significant events to occur, such as peace in a part of the world, or an end to a famine. We all see the outcome as nothing changes.

    The truth is that it’s statistically a lot more likely that an event an individual prays for will occur simply due to coincidence. The more unlikely an event is to occur statistically the less likely prayers will ‘work’.

    I have zero interest in there being a reality behind ancient mythologies or membership of any organized religion, but just common sense tells me that whether or not asking an unknowable being for something works is unprovable if you don’t know cause and effect.

    This would be my view (first 2 paragraphs anyway, you lost me a bit in the last one). @Stuntman_mike your story about helping that girl just reads to me as a lesson in how one human being can support another through conversation and other forms of support. I don't see anything whatsoever there that points to any kind of existence of, or intervention from, a god.

    @dendy and @wim, for sure your outlook will have an effect on your life. But in my opinion doctrines like The Secret etc take this far too far, and into the realms of pure delusion. I see these views as potentially dangerous, as they place total responsibility on the individual. Indeed that's why these kinds of views are so welcomed by those in power - they are views that enable the status quo and reduce the likelihood of people actually campaigning for the kind of changes that could, in fact, bring about, if not heaven on earth, then at least something a damn side better than what we currently have. They are also the reason why big corporations in America love the mindfulness movement - yes, don't change anything, just adjust your way of thinking about it.

  • @Gavinski said:

    They are also the reason why big corporations in America love the mindfulness movement - yes, don't change anything, just adjust your way of thinking about it.

    True that!👆

  • @Gavinski said:
    @dendy and @wim, for sure your outlook will have an effect on your life. But in my opinion doctrines like The Secret etc take this far too far, and into the realms of pure delusion.

    All I said is entirely just my personal life experience .. it's nothing what I would take from some book (didn't ready any screted-type of book, i just know thing like that exists but thats all) - It's simply how my life work.. as I said, sometimes it still scares me how much it works .. I have no idea what are exact mechanics behind it and why it works - honestly I am a pretty much a man of science, i am not religious, i do not believe in any form of personal god or supernatural entity. What i do, is just observing my life, analysing what happened and what preceded those events, and then i'll try to repeat those patterns to get again expected result.

    This shit just works. In every single case. At least for me. And it's not that just i am trying convince myself. Sometimes things happens, without me even realising it - and just my wife then tells me "Damn, you again did it. That's scary." :lol:

    Maybe it works cause i decided it will work. That's option too :lol:

  • @dendy said:

    @Gavinski said:
    @dendy and @wim, for sure your outlook will have an effect on your life. But in my opinion doctrines like The Secret etc take this far too far, and into the realms of pure delusion.

    All I said is entirely just my personal life experience .. it's nothing what I would take from some book (didn't ready any screted-type of book, i just know thing like that exists but thats all) - It's simply how my life work.. as I said, sometimes it still scares me how much it works .. I have no idea what are exact mechanics behind it and why it works - honestly I am a pretty much a man of science, i am not religious, i do not believe in any form of personal god or supernatural entity. What i do, is just observing my life, analysing what happened and what preceded those events, and then i'll try to repeat those patterns to get again expected result.

    This shit just works. In every single case. At least for me. And it's not that just i am trying convince myself. Sometimes things happens, without me even realising it - and just my wife then tells me "Damn, you again did it. That's scary." :lol:

    Maybe it works cause i decided it will work. That's option too :lol:

    Oh yeah, don’t worry, I’m not saying you are a fan of The Secret, it’s just that there is some overlap in the idea. and yes, it is interesting, your experience, very interesting.

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