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Right on 👍 your perspective makes sense to me.
The moments I have experienced I cannot explain, just feel. I get nudges, roll with them and witness amazing things take place. All in all, it is valuable for each of us to support each other, spread love and good vibes 🙌🏽
Month or two ago book came to my hand called "Transurfing" by Vadim Zeland. Large part of book sounded to me like scif-fi/fantasy and i do not took it too seriously. Interesting part was, that concepts he described in book were at large part consistent with my life experience. That was really weird. Still refusing to accept his explanations of processes behing all this and why this works - his explanation just sounds too fantastic, too insane - but in principle there was large overlap in plain description (how things works from practical point of view) with what i learned in my life by my own experiences.
So super strange. Still not sure what to think about that book, scientific part of me would say "it's complete bullshit", experience part of me is like "shit, sounds weird but result is exactly what i am experiencing my entire life".
What i remember he also mentioned Secret briefly - he just wrote that it is one of interpretations of processes he is describing in his book, but it's incomplete a bit twisted and wrongly translated subset of ideas which he is describing in his book.
That's basically all i know about this "Secret" stuff :-)) Never really readed any of those books.
I think all people who are trying to explain WHY this really works are just building some stories around some real phenomenon, but those stories are really just rough approximation at nest, or complete fantasy fairytales (mostly), and they really doesn't explain anything. You can observe something, yet you have no idea WHY it is happening, why it works.
IT's like. You can use cellphone even through you have no idea how it really works inside down at the microchip level. This is same. I think nobody still knows WHY things we are discussing here works. One day science will maybe explain it. For now, i just use it. Don't need to understand to everything
It’s all too easy to cherry pick parts of life when justifying the existence of supernatural agencies and avoid explanations for the unjust and horrific things that occur in the world.
How does one reconcile terrible things happening to innocents or good people?
Stephen Fry articulated this very eloquently:
As a Christian, for example, we are not promised an easy path 🤷🏽♂️ it is more about how we respond to these situations and seeking guidance through prayer, fasting and scripture. I know this comes off mystical to some, but as musicians we believe in the unseen: music. It cannot be seen, vibrations - only felt in our ears and on our skin. Just offering perspective ☀️
That’s pretty much like saying we believe in the unsmellable: colors. I don’t expect to see music anymore than get an odor from the color blue.
I believe in music because of the evidence I hear; I wouldn’t expect any of my other sense to detect it as they can’t perceive sound.
well this is bad example, did you ever heard about synesthesis ? :-)
It’s all frequencies that our senses feel and then our brains interpret. Cool stuff! For people deep into the spiritual realm, understanding frequencies is a BIG thing. Subatomic particles vibrate. The vintage gear many of us love and buy plugins to emulate, are unpredictable/warm/vibey. Human emotion is very unpredictable. No “sure things” in this world.
Frequency a BiG thing, I agree, all nature is cyclical, even the Universe I’d say.
Great point and we live in an amazing creation
William Blake: “the voice of honest indignation is the voice of God”
From The Marriage of Heaven & Hell :
“The Prophets Isaiah and Ezekiel dined with me, and I asked them how they dared so roundly to assert, that God spoke to them; and whether they did not think at the time, that they would be misunderstood, & so be the cause of imposition.
Isaiah answer'd, I saw no God, nor heard any, in a finite organical perception; but my senses discover'd the infinite in every thing, and as I was then persuaded, & remain confirm'd; that the voice of honest indignation is the voice of God, I cared not for consequences but wrote.”
This and many other fictional representations of those who are implied to be in possession of a ‘truth’ that can’t be articulated in terms of conventional proofs abound in older literature.
I have yet to hear of one that provides enlightenment to anyone other than those who believe on the basis of blind faith.
(BTW, I love Blake’s poetry, and have read pretty much all of it.)
my music comes from what some call the nondual: space, time, and the “me”, are all nonsense, dreams, bullshit. So, boundless freedom and music.
Stephen Fry's 'honest indignation' was what made me think of it.
I doubt that Stephen Fry would consider his honest indignation to be the same as Blake’s though.
It’s a personal journey. We all make our own decisions. Often, individuals are drawn to a higher being in times when the feel they have nothing else to turn to, then in many instances feel their prayers are answered and then their spiritual journey begins. Making sense of it is like knowing why that person you’re looking at is making that weird facial expression 🙃 unless you ask, you’re just guessing no matter how many theories or philosophy you understand.
This is only loosely related to the topic but still is so mystifying to me that I ponder it all the time.
Are cables and cords alive and do they have consiouness ? I mean, you have a bunch of chords behind your desk. You only ever interact with the ends that you occasionally plug and unplug in to your pieces of equipment and you keep them in relative order on your desk. But every time you move the desk to add another cable or something, they're all tangled together?? I mean really tangled. What's up with that? I mean they're in knots that can't happen randomly and can't happen without unplugging them.
What's up with that? Is it some kind of mating ritual? Why can we never observe it, yet it always happens? Does this make cable ties then an evil deprivation of their freedom? I hate tangles but the thought of them writhing in frustration against their bonds all night bothers me.
Perhaps they aren't alive and it's just a third party such as gremlins is messing with us, but my gut tells me they have at least some trace of living intelligence ... maybe something akin to how lizard tails keep moving after the cat pulls them off or snakes can continue to writhe after you cut their heads off.
It’s interesting to hear about all that spaghetti flying around.
String theory? 😂 jk
The supposed non-alive singularity of the universe became aware, of itself, aren’t we, in part the proof?
I wasn't refuting your point. Rather I was extending it. I too believe that one's expectations have a strong effect on what they experience. Some people are wired to expect the worst, and they tend to find it. I sometimes try to help them turn that around but it rarely works. More often than not it only breeds resentment on their part as what they really want is sympathy, not advice. I continually need to remind myself not to do that with certain people.
Knot theory, apparently (at 29:40):
oh shit that explain why those bastards ends always like absolute mess and i need very few months to get them all out of box and un-knot them (even trough i didn’t touched them for whole time)
That's exactly the problem though Mike, at least from my perspective... People, well, some people, need to believe in something to see themselves through hard times. They then think that the higher power or whatever that they started believing in is what helped them, when in reality it was just good old mindset and community. Not to say that there are no good aspects to religion, but to me it is a cultural phenomenon and one that has had a hell of a lot of negative aspects, both historically and today, that go quite some way to cancelling out a lot of the benefits.
That analogy about the facial expression, I don't really get btw. A person could tell you why they think they're making a weird facial expression. But most of our behaviour is subconscious, we're not even aware of half the stuff we do, and when we tell others why we do something, we're only ever at best telling a tiny fragment of the story (every answer to a why question can elicit another why question, on and on, endlessly), and at other times we may be misinterpreting our motives entirely.
That’s the joy of ‘hard’-ware.
I think in addition to that I would ask why the worship of a specific god of thunder from a pantheon of gods that were specific to a small region the ancient Middle-East.
To me that seems anachronistic to say the least. Besides which, there’s very little agreement on how the worship should take place, the form and name of the godhead, who is the most important of his/her prophets, etc. All of this disagreement extending to war, murder, mutilation, rape, and many other abhorrent acts, all of which are condoned in the religious texts of each schism.
Humm ... I'm knot sure I buy that.
There's no agitation involved in my example or Dendy's unless it's on some dimension we don't perceive. Possible, I guess.
I didn't watch the whole video, but I presume the theory assumes no free-agency and intent on the part of the strings themselves. I'm not convinced. 😎
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I’m a bit animistic, I confess
For instance I feel I have a personal relationship with the moon, or I pat my car when he’s done well. Also my ipad when it brought me something new. Who’s a good boy?
Do I believe in witches? No. Do they exist? Hell yeah
But I don’t feel a need to talk about this kind of stuff anymore (you couldn’t stop me just a few years ago). I’m happy just saving my realizations for myself, it’s not like you could share them anyway, each experience is subjective and you just see people arguing because they can’t share their subjectiveness.
And there’s plenty of crazy beliefs out there, no point in bringing my own, sometimes I get surprised by even my long life friends.
Live a good life the best you can, that’s my current motto, and that’s the best I can do right now
That's an interesting post. In my teens and twenties I loved to talk and read about these things. Now I know that absolutely nobody has any answers, just their own personal experiences that can't be used to generalize, well, anything. Still it can be interesting to read people's thoughts on spirituality but I don't like sharing my own.
Organized religions provide anxiety relief for the death nervous among us, but do so much harm and cause so much strife and division I cannot support them, any of them.
This thread has been very polite, though, and that is a nice change from the usual.
even though i threw my 2 cents in up above, (which left nary a ripple i think i’m glad of) i really like what you’ve said here. i was raised to never discuss religion or politics in polite company…and i’ve also felt that talking about this particular intimate topic can diminish the power of one’s own experience of and relationship with the Unseen World