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Apple confirms it slows down older iPhones via iOS, what about iPads?
You probably read this. If not, check it out.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/20/16800058/apple-iphone-slow-fix-battery-life-capacity
Does this happen to iPads as well? Most probably, but when?
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Just saw this after I pasted an article in the battery performance thread I started, glad to see you're thinking the same way I am. If this is true, if updating say an Air 2 to iOS11.x, then it is some seriously infuriating BS.
Put it in settings and let US decide if we want the feature or not...
What gets me is that in implementing this for devices that they are still selling from new, they are basically saying: your new device has a certain amount of use before it will slow down. Something about this just seems wrong.
Could you imagine car manufacturers being allowed to do something similar with cars!
Depends on the fine print. What constitutes a drop in battery power enough to:
Lol. Well I only care then if they do something similar in my iPad, as I don’t use a fancy phone - my phone is from the dark ages
I'm curious how many people use the newer CCK with the power input, thus making any battery/speed throttling issues nothing to worry about?
Me- One CCK3, one CCK2 and one CCK1 (30 pin for iPad 2)
Remember when we could just take batteries out of devices and buy a new one at the corner shop when they totally died? Like old Nokias? Everything is so closed nowadays. I wish all those devices were much more modular so you wouldn't have to toss a whole otherwise perfectly fine device just because one bit of it broke. Or have to send them to costly repairs after the warranty runs out. Or have to upgrade to the newest model because that new OS will only properly run on newer hardware and new app will not run on the older OS anymore. Sigh.
Agreed, Ribbon. I’m with @max23 on the rest of the premise of this thread. Apple would lose no matter what they did here, and I can’t see them just deciding to build in planned obsolescence. They’re prolonging the life of an old device.
It’s just so easy to get outraged over nothing.
Agree but the untoward bit is them not saying this up front years ago. Personally, would like to see real world tests on how effective this strategy is. Since it's not a user configurable setting, I guess we'll need to wait until an enterprising person jailbreaks (or otherwise sorts out how to simulate) and runs their own tests. I also get that I'm fucking nerd and iOS devices are not designed for me. And fair enough. Still, would like to see the data.
Given there where wide> @syrupcore said:
This just started last year.
All points are sound, but I do remember how my old iPad2 back in the day, wasn't slow at all, suddenly became very slow doing simple tasks, nothing new or complex. I would love to see some tests with the same device running the new battery and the one that is, say, two/three years old.
It's not nothing if tons of people reported it, complained about it, so they finally did some tests, and Apple confirmed they do slow it down, via software. Give us the option in the settings to use that, or not. That is how I see it.
That depends how you define "planned obsolescence". There are things that hardware and software manufacturers routinely do that is just accepted by the consuming public as part of the price of doing business. If buy FIFA '18, you aren't going to see new content or updates for the game once the new version comes out. Some of the online features may shut off or no longer be supported. If you buy a phone or tablet in 2012, it would be pretty reasonable that device may not be able to run new iOS versions released in 2016, 2017, etc. And maybe some of new software requires the newer hardware and software, so you are encouraged to buy a new device. That, to me, is planned obsolescence.
It's true that Apple's change to the operating system served a legitimate purpose - to prevent older phones from shutting down or failing. But that doesn't happen in a vacuum - it has to be combined with the following factors:
It's weird that is so closed now, because few years ago one would think everything will become more modular..but hey..capitalism, eh.
Brilliant points. Totally agree.
Didn’t “come clean”? Maybe they just thought they were doing the right thing, and were best serving their customers by just doing this? Apple has a long history of deciding on what’s best for the product line. That’s Apple. On the one hand, I don’t necessarily like it much; I didn’t even own an Apple product until 5 years ago. But OTOH, the vast majority of people who buy their products use it as a phone/communication device, and to get email and browse the web. Next are gamers. For all those folks except the last, they are perfectly happy, for the most part, to have the company make things simple for them.
Apple has never been about modular. Right from the first little square boxes they made, it was their way or the highway. They damned near died once because of that, but now seem to be blessed. Yes, I’d like to add new drives to my phoen and tablet, add more memory, use a storage card internally. But I pretty much knew all about that going into it.
I guess no one remembers the massive shutdown bug that was getting out of control before they addressed it with the update: https://www.google.com/amp/www.zdnet.com/google-amp/article/iphone-6-6s-sudden-shutdown-weve-almost-fully-cured-issue-with-ios-10-2-1-says-apple/
Fair enough. I saw "iPhone 6" but missed the iOS 11 bit. Still, it shouldn't come from a geek on reddit. I'm not conspiracy or 'apple is evil' leaning at all but with years of speculation around planned obsolescence, that they said it started with iOS 11 doesn't really mean all that much to me (since it was sorta forced out of them).
Yeah, Tru dat. Unfortunately. Wouldn’t it be great to just add more RAM and more storage? It’ll never going to happen with Apple. But they are slowly but surely adopting other stuff.
Has anyone seen this?
https://www.pocket-lint.com/apps/news/apple/143142-apple-might-merge-ios-and-macos-apps-starting-next-year
I would swear that my 5s is guilty of this too, even though it’s not listed. Takes forever to load up a level of Candy Crush these days.
I don’t mind it though, the thing is 4 years old and at the end of its rope. It’s gotten me to put my damn phone down in public a lot more, knowing that I have to save my battery in case I need to call or text. These being the primary functions of a phone.
The outrage seems like an overreaction based on good ol classic paranoia of corporations.
imho Apple isn't doing too bad with their sealed one way battery approach.
All my iDevices (starting with an 8 year old iPhone 3gs) are still on duty with their original power thingy.
Most remarkably the iPad 1 and 2 which spent a lot of time constantly powered on an ioDock (something frequently called a nogo for battery life).
I consider the built quality top notch, but I'm not in accordance with their (recent) software policy at all. Forced updates, no backward path... and High Sierra seems a piece of bloated rubbish.
Once upon a time in another dimension users could actually replace batteries amongst other things.
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/23277/ot-apple-throttles-cpu-on-iphone-6s-when-battery-gets-old
You would never disable throttling because your device would shutdown. ( not enough voltage )
Unfortunately CpuDasherX app, used for showing the actual CPU speed is not free anymore.
If anyone got it and has an iPad ,can run Geekbench or launch a CPU intensive audio session and check the CPU speed .
Battery replacement is not that difficult (there are tutorials on YouTube ),plus if someone spend so much money on their iPhone it shouldn't be a problem to pay someone for a replacement.
However much I’ve read on the subject their seems little written that really explains this for the layman like myself. Yes, there are plenty of opinion pieces some that hype up for this action and some that hype up against.
So, if we do have any that really get it here, can they answer a few questions in simpleton speak for me lol
Just some maybe uninformed thoughts: if ios11 really pushes so much, why do all the settings come switched on in an update? (And some continue to switch on) if Apple were really just trying to protect old devices on one hand with a slow down, why do they not change the heat inducing settings in the first place of an update?
just a hint: these batteries are explosives if handled the wrong way.
If the charger doesn't exactly match the type, it's likely to blow up.
(you never wondered why there are no Li/Ion etc rechargeables in the local store ?)
People WILL mount whatever crap without thinking if given the opportunity