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At least its not subscription based.... Yet...
(Jaws theme...)
I agree with your assessment. I can also understand why people can have strong opinions about the free NAMM promo. Intua will also be able to evaluate how successful their promo has been based upon data as well. I think they have been ambitious and put a lot of work into trying to create an app that offers some comprehensive functionality not previously available on iOS. They clearly want their app to meet the needs of musicians and are realistic about not pleasing all of the people all of the time.
As a disclaimer, I personally have no problem with their decision to do the promo yet I’m not surprised about the many negative responses to their decisions on the forum as there does seem to be a strong need by many to share their insights about what the developer should do.
I think it’s fine to express what you’d like, I think expecting developers to act upon those personal opinions doesn’t take into account the multitude of factors developers have to take into account when they’re developing apps which isn’t to say they’re perfect as nobody is.
Anybody who really thinks the free BM3 promo will lead to the collapse of iOS music creation by setting a precedent which will end up being a race to the bottom seems to believe iOS music creation is in a very fragile economic state. Their assessment may be accurate; nevertheless, one limited time free promo will not make or break iOS as a music platform nor is a free promo strategy unheard with a wide variety of products.
Is this one the longest thread of the forum?
Anyway,
This entire discussion it’s a merciless analysis about the state of this so called “iOS musicians community”, and believe me, it’s not a nice picture.
I feel sorry for this board’s owners and moderators,
read some of these posts it must have been sad for them who seems to have faith in this scene.
I like Intua moves?
Well I will repeat:
I didn’t buy BM3 when it was at an intro price
I didn’t buy BM3 when it was at a regular price
I will not download BM3 now that it’s free
Not a great move from them though.
I bought apps (Animoog for example) at full price and then see them going for peanuts, well, no problem, it’s the market baby!
If I love an app the little money I payed for it are always well spent, regardless of the current price or offer.
But IMHO this is not the real problem here,
Ourselves are becoming the problem.
How are you ripped off. @mannix ?
You as a (presumably) rational adult decided the product was worth X and therefore you bought it. If it wasn’t worth X to you you shouldn’t have bought it in the first place.
I bought Animoog at full price too . A whole 69p
Stop. Take a breath.
Now, slowly put your little feelings back in the protective case where you keep them.
Ok.
Let's be adults in the real world now. Shall we? I will go point by point.
"This dude worked hard on this app for many years. He's entitled to do what he wants with it."
Just as people are entitled to have opinions on it.
"I don't understand why so many people are angry"
I did not see one post where someone said they are angry. People are discussing the value of an item they invested money in and if that investment in this company feels it was a good one in the long term now seeing the direction things appear to have shifted.
" I bought this app and it was the only app I ever got a refund for. BM2 just did everything I needed it to and I found no need for it"
Would not this make your whole point null and void? People on here are paying customers who use it. You have just acknowledged you got your money back because it wasn't useful.
"If you were happy with the app with how much you spent, the free price shouldn't matter now."
And you feel you have the moral authority or overall knowledge base to say this how? You couldn't even use BM3 in a productive way. As you admitted.
"If you weren't happy with it when you bought it for that price, you should have requested a refund."
I would think since you are such a supporter of this developer, you think getting a refund has less impact then saying people are bummed they spent $40 on a product that is now free?
That doesn't make sense. You do see that right.
"This dude worked hard on this app for many years."
If he worked so hard, why did you take your money back off him? Do you know him? How do you know how hard he worked? Seriously. Are you ok?
The point of my retort is this.
Your types of post are killing this forum.
No where did you respond to actual posts.
No where did you talk about the apps value or not.
You got a refund.
Yet you come in here all holier than though to tell people what they should do or say or what ever you are doing.
This mindset and approach of taking sides just to take sides is not the best for this forum or the world as a whole my friend.
Make informed statements about things that matter to you. Don't just make statements to make them.
This is a very specific and informed forum in which members are about apps and music making, not finger pointing or wagging.
That is all from me.
Good day.
Wow. Regardless of what I think about this surprising strategy I am absolutely shocked by the toxicity and entitlement in some of these responses. I feel I have to give my ever helpful colleague Mathieu a vote of support here.
Some time ago you paid [x amount of money] for BM3 because you felt the value of it was proportional to the asking price at that time. What someone else pays for it today is of no consequence to you because you already decided it was worth its price.
Don’t confuse feelings of jealousy with unsavory business practices. They’re two very different things. I’m convinced there are no bad intentions in this move.
Have a good weekend and enjoy your Beatmaking.
So what next a round of free Troublemakers for the house?
LOL
@brambos
Hah!
Don’t confuse feelings of jealousy with __________________.
My new bumper sticker!
And the tears shed here will soon be not a river, but and ocean.
Thank you, Matthieu Garcia! I got it for free! Sometimes I'm the one who bought an expensive app just to see it given away: it's good to be on the other side of the equation for a change.
......my pert bottom!
Oh, and a hobbyist want a toy to play it, what a professional needs a tool to work with, to produce content. Remember, in most countries (in mine for sure) living off music is a hard endeavor. Deep pockets? Ha! Taking this into account, I think Intua's move was clever and pretty generous.
I don't know how many app makers have a precise marketing roadmap for their apps let alone will/duty to explain themselves to customers.
I personally don't care about the reasons for their actions nor do I think I have the right to know them. I have a right to a decent product that works well and is supported which I think is the case with BM3 just ad it was with BM2.
To be honest, saying that a decision is stupid without knowing the actual reason for that move is err....stupid.
Yep
14 pages so far.....it has certainly got us talking about it again
What would you say if the 'Skoda' you bought, you later found out was now been hired to you!
Vocal opinion more often gets expressed by dissatisfied customers... so i’ll add my opinion here just to do my part to balance things out.
1. I happily purchased BM3 at introductory price. I was overjoyed at the time.
2. I’ve used it very little considering the price I paid, but I have no regrets because these type of independent developers are worth supporting. I’m still happy.
3.now the app is free for a few days, I agree with Bram that it is of no consequence to me what someone else pays. If I feel shafted, perhaps that’s an indication I made the wrong choice in my initial purchase. But that decision is long past... so I’m still happy.
I prefer imaschine 1
Is there something wrong with me?
I like the simplicity, and the xy effects
I personally don´t care if people get a plug-in for free i payed 200 bucks for (or even 1000 in case of Alchemy with all the patch banks and then people got it close to free with Logic).
I missed a free upgrade to Omnisphere 2 just because i bought version 1 just 2 weeks to early....doh´.
That´s life. I see more that this app seems in financial trouble or could be abandonware. Or there will be just endless IAP for sample packs (which are not even that good and you get these for free anyway in the www.).
However, as usual some people are pissed off, some are happy and some are somewhere in the middle.
So it seems the "normal" price doesn´t worked as well as intro or sales. This might be another experiment to see if it works. Still it´s not a good sign for me. But of course everyone has it´s own opinion about that.
Like i said, i wish Intua all the best and also most of the other small iOS developers but there are also a lot other great developers around the world which seems to does fine. So there is no mercy in this market from customers.
I think that the iOS market is even more hard since it´s mostly a love/hate thing. 1 star or 5 star ratings. Euphory or the world´s end. Black or white.
But at the end developers have to know what they do and if that all works out for them or not. If not, move on.....
Yeah, that's my word & thoughts also... Can't see the problem here...
As an example; an umbrella store sells umbrellas. It's soon fall coming, and they raise the price...
It hasn't rained on several month, the store have a lot of umbrellas in stock...
The price goes down... And, after that, the rainperiod comes and the price is raising again...
That's the market, but, no umbrella buyer will coming back to the store and wants an refund, because the neighbor has bought the same umbrella for half the price...
You get it... Intua have a plan here, and, every single beatmaker out there must be delighted enough now after 10 updates of BM3 since launch... It doesn't matter what you paid, if you were happy with that for two days ago, you still should be happy - nothing has changed in your life...
I say thanks to the guys at Intua, they have made an app that has delighted me enormously since last summer!
Promotional sales happen all the time. Most apps sporadically go on sale. Did Intua promise “no sales, ever”? How are people so surprised and bent about an app going on sale?
Things go on sale. If you want the sale price, you wait for the sale price. Almost every app I purchased was on sale. A few times I was an early adopter I ended up paying more than the future sale price. But I knew that would probably happen and decided that I didn’t want to wait.
Thank you for your kindness and generosity.
It is much appreciated.
Doubleplus this!
If the original contract had a clause that it would not happen I’d be absolutely livid, would feel cheated and would park it in friends garage.
Did Intua say that they are going to apply subscription to their current app?
10 updates, what has this to do with it? I'm not sure software equates with physical objects either.
I agree with your sentiments, but I would substitute "whining and infantile individuals at an unknown age" for "millennials"
Nevertheless, I am flabbergasted at some of the responses.
@supadom said:
Nope. One of his comments was misinterpreted.
Is this the stupidest thread in the history of the internet ?
"Free stuff is good"
"Intua are killing IOS"
"They stole my ice cream"
Repeat loop infinitum.
Bot even in the top 10