apeMatrix by apeSoft

skiphunt

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@skiphunt said:

@Carnbot said:

@skiphunt said:

@Carnbot said:

@wim said:

@Carnbot said:
Yeah It's easier to run out of slots now with multi outs. it would be great to have more matrices, but I'm not sure what that would mean if added.

I hope it wouldn't break backwards compatibility. I remember on the early beta when it was only one matrix I had to lose my original sessions when it was upgraded to three.

It seems like defaulted to three, and then you could add more with a plus button, maybe it wouldn’t break existing sessions. I dunno.

Yeah that would be great if possible, just the underlying coding I’m not aware of the implications. I just remember him discussing the difficulties when adding three matrices from 1, but maybe now it’s easier.

Ok, I've thought about this "only 3 matrix" complaint before. And then I think about how often I don't even use all of one matrix. With the ability to now send multi-outs to a second matrix, I'm now using 2 matrix setups every time (I've had it for awhile in beta). And yet I STILL don't run out of channels. When I actually do use 3 matrixes it's only because I'm being nerdy to see how much "the ol' enterprise will take captain!"

How many of you who use apeMatrix regularly actually hit a brick wall and run out of matrixes with only 3 to work with?

I've even got more channels to work with because you can add your limiter, etc. to end of each matrix grouping on another screen. And you can utilize 2 effects busses throughout.

Seems like you'd really have to be intentionally trying to push the edge to actually run out of ports to use.

It’s quite often I can run out of space especially if I use a lot of midi filters as these also take up audio slots and if you are using a lot of multi ports too...Of course it’s great as it is and I can just use AUM if I need a bigger matrix or more audio ports.

Curious... how well does your iPad run with 3 completely full matrix grids?

I don't usually use that many at once. And I often just use the same instance for multiple channels... or the 2 audio busses for effects to free up more slots.

Nothing wrong with wanting a little plus button to add another matrix if a user needed. Though I can't imagine needing another grid myself.

The reason I would like more grids is for layout of open AU apps on each grid and quick flick between them. This would allow me to have quick access to all the apps I need for live jamming. The most I can really expect on my Air2 is two open apps per matrix. That’s 6 quick access apps - this is limiting at times.

Also, cramming the matrixes up is not the best visual use. Keeping gaps between certain apps or groups of apps makes navigation easier.

I can see how it might be useful at times for some. But, since I personally never use up the 3 grids now, I doubt I’d ever use it. But yeah, I can see how the added ability could be useful.

Carnbot

Yeah would be useful for arranging groups of instruments, also would have more hardware audio outs this way too

Gavinski

@skiphunt @Carnbot good points, I fully agree

cian

I'd really like the ability to have more outputs. Three tracks is a little limiting if you want to record a live take, and then polish it in a DAW.

Currently I mostly use it for generating loops and samples. Which is cool - but I'd love to use it for more than that.

reasOne

how to use it with a dawlike workflow of xequence

RockySmalls

@brambos said:

@Daveypoo said:

@brambos said:
Lazy question: Anyone already tried Scatterbrain with the new multi-out? I won't have time until tonight to give it a whirl

Yep - workin' on a video with just that thing 😉

Cool! looking forward to it!

multi out works great in apematrix... and the mix matrix adds to the fun ( ape lfos on the x and y :] ).
but Bram.. i have to confess i am puzzled by the operation of those 3 ratio indicators in rectangles at the left side? can you elaborate on their mysterious purpose?

brambos

@RockySmalls said:

@brambos said:

@Daveypoo said:

@brambos said:
Lazy question: Anyone already tried Scatterbrain with the new multi-out? I won't have time until tonight to give it a whirl

Yep - workin' on a video with just that thing 😉

Cool! looking forward to it!

multi out works great in apematrix... and the mix matrix adds to the fun ( ape lfos on the x and y :] ).
but Bram.. i have to confess i am puzzled by the operation of those 3 ratio indicators in rectangles at the left side? can you elaborate on their mysterious purpose?

They are the retrigger ratios. 1:2 means a step will retrigger every 1/2 step, 1:3 retriggers every 1/3rd of a step and 1:4 will stutter every 1/4th of a step.

But you can also combine them. E.g. if you hold 1:3 and 1:4 then the retrigger will happen every 1/12th of a step (3x4 stutters per step).

skiphunt

@reasOne said:
how to use it with a dawlike workflow of xequence

Although I already knew how to use Xequence 2 with apeMatrix... I appreciate your no nonsense, get to the point approach to your demo videos. Thanks!

j_liljedahl

@Daveypoo said:
@d4d0ug That's true, but what I'm psyched about is the endless routing possibilities. You can have multiple instances of the multi-outs....

For example - DigiStix has 4 outputs, correct? What if you had 2 separate effect chains for just the snare drum - 2 instances of output 2 (for example) and you can have a slapback delay on a separate channel from your reverb, then can blend them together again with a Gain/Pain instance.

Just FYI, you can do this in AUM as well

Daveypoo

@j_liljedahl said:
Just FYI, you can do this in AUM as well

Oh - I'm DEFINITELY not discounting AUM, here sir. You did it first!

reasOne

@skiphunt said:

@reasOne said:
how to use it with a dawlike workflow of xequence

Although I already knew how to use Xequence 2 with apeMatrix... I appreciate your no nonsense, get to the point approach to your demo videos. Thanks!

thank you man! i try to contribute what i can with my limited knowledge hehe .

RockySmalls

@brambos said:

@RockySmalls said:

@brambos said:

@Daveypoo said:

@brambos said:
Lazy question: Anyone already tried Scatterbrain with the new multi-out? I won't have time until tonight to give it a whirl

Yep - workin' on a video with just that thing 😉

Cool! looking forward to it!

multi out works great in apematrix... and the mix matrix adds to the fun ( ape lfos on the x and y :] ).
but Bram.. i have to confess i am puzzled by the operation of those 3 ratio indicators in rectangles at the left side? can you elaborate on their mysterious purpose?

They are the retrigger ratios. 1:2 means a step will retrigger every 1/2 step, 1:3 retriggers every 1/3rd of a step and 1:4 will stutter every 1/4th of a step.

But you can also combine them. E.g. if you hold 1:3 and 1:4 then the retrigger will happen every 1/12th of a step (3x4 stutters per step).

thanks for clarifying Bram, am i right in thinking that when you switch to Mix mode the sequencer has no effect? .. and if so, i am wondering if there could be a way to have the mix matrix mix between the 4 sequenced lanes as an additional function?

reasOne

does anyone know the best way to send this whole thing to AUM ? do i just connect each instrument and effect with a red dot to channel A ? then open up ape inside aum ? i know how to do that....
but is there a way to combine everything on the matrix to one “dot” on the A output ????
@Daveypoo maybe???

aplourde

@reasOne said:
does anyone know the best way to send this whole thing to AUM ? do i just connect each instrument and effect with a red dot to channel A ? then open up ape inside aum ? i know how to do that....
but is there a way to combine everything on the matrix to one “dot” on the A output ????
@Daveypoo maybe???

Each "dot" is the connection between the input on the horizontal and the output on the vertical. You can't route other things to that dot as it's not a destination, but a connection.

What you want is what you initially posted, connect everything you want to send to the A or B bus (i.e. a series of dots on the vertical A or B lines) and then have the apeMatrix A or B output as the source for an AUM channel.

reasOne

@aplourde said:

@reasOne said:
does anyone know the best way to send this whole thing to AUM ? do i just connect each instrument and effect with a red dot to channel A ? then open up ape inside aum ? i know how to do that....
but is there a way to combine everything on the matrix to one “dot” on the A output ????
@Daveypoo maybe???

Each "dot" is the connection between the input on the horizontal and the output on the vertical. You can't route other things to that dot as it's not a destination, but a connection.

What you want is what you initially posted, connect everything you want to send to the A or B bus (i.e. a series of dots on the vertical A or B lines) and then have the apeMatrix A or B output as the source for an AUM channel.

copy that man thank you! that was my thought but was thinking maybe i was over complicating it 😎 appreciate it!

wim

What’s wrong with “just connect each instrument and effect with a dot to channel A”?

reasOne

@wim said:
What’s wrong with “just connect each instrument and effect with a dot to channel A”?

nothing just was thinking you could do it in here for a quick connection so was trying to find out

Daveypoo

There are a couple ways you can do this @reasOne depending on how you want the end result to be.

1) In the Settings menu (slide-out from the right side) you can set apeMatrix to export WAV files in a few different ways. I have it set to export 3 files - one stereo file for each Matrix. You can export these and import them as audio back into AUM.

2) If the above it all you have (not using other matrices) you can send EVERYTHING to a Gain/Pan or Mixer Send/Receive instance to sum all your audio outputs to a single output, then route apeMatrix's main audio out to an input channel in AUM

3) You can also use apeMatrix's 3 outputs (main, BUS A & BUS in AudioBus to send audio out to AUM to record or for further processing.

I hope this helps!

zilld2017

@Daveypoo said:

3) You can also use apeMatrix's 3 outputs (main, BUS A & BUS in AudioBus to send audio out to AUM to record or for further processing.

SO much info here to sort through!

Quick inquiry though: is ApeMatrix limited to the 3 outputs noted above?

Thanks.

GUB

@skiphunt said:

@reasOne said:
how to use it with a dawlike workflow of xequence

Although I already knew how to use Xequence 2 with apeMatrix... I appreciate your no nonsense, get to the point approach to your demo videos. Thanks!

Hey @skiphunt, I am using this post to get your attention, because I all of a sudden can't find you other ApeMatrix post I actually wanted to ask about.

In that one, you discovered a master / gain panel that was accessed by clicking "three dots" somewhere... is that feature still in AM? I can't find that panel anywhere... I'm using an ipad mostly, but also have AM on iphone...

Slush

@GUB said:

@skiphunt said:

@reasOne said:
how to use it with a dawlike workflow of xequence

Although I already knew how to use Xequence 2 with apeMatrix... I appreciate your no nonsense, get to the point approach to your demo videos. Thanks!

Hey @skiphunt, I am using this post to get your attention, because I all of a sudden can't find you other ApeMatrix post I actually wanted to ask about.

In that one, you discovered a master / gain panel that was accessed by clicking "three dots" somewhere... is that feature still in AM? I can't find that panel anywhere... I'm using an ipad mostly, but also have AM on iphone...

GUB

@Slush said:

@GUB said:

@skiphunt said:

@reasOne said:
how to use it with a dawlike workflow of xequence

Although I already knew how to use Xequence 2 with apeMatrix... I appreciate your no nonsense, get to the point approach to your demo videos. Thanks!

Hey @skiphunt, I am using this post to get your attention, because I all of a sudden can't find you other ApeMatrix post I actually wanted to ask about.

In that one, you discovered a master / gain panel that was accessed by clicking "three dots" somewhere... is that feature still in AM? I can't find that panel anywhere... I'm using an ipad mostly, but also have AM on iphone...

Thanks, but that is a different panel than the one I'm curious about. The one I reference above has a master gain that affects all three matrices, I believe... and other controls not present in the Post-processing window. A screenshot is somewhere in this thread...

skiphunt

@GUB said:

@Slush said:

@GUB said:

@skiphunt said:

@reasOne said:
how to use it with a dawlike workflow of xequence

Although I already knew how to use Xequence 2 with apeMatrix... I appreciate your no nonsense, get to the point approach to your demo videos. Thanks!

Hey @skiphunt, I am using this post to get your attention, because I all of a sudden can't find you other ApeMatrix post I actually wanted to ask about.

In that one, you discovered a master / gain panel that was accessed by clicking "three dots" somewhere... is that feature still in AM? I can't find that panel anywhere... I'm using an ipad mostly, but also have AM on iphone...

Thanks, but that is a different panel than the one I'm curious about. The one I reference above has a master gain that affects all three matrices, I believe... and other controls not present in the Post-processing window. A screenshot is somewhere in this thread...

I vaguely recall that but I don’t see it either.

The in-app guide says there’s a Global adjustment for all matrixes but I can’t find it. Maybe message the dev? He’s very cool 😎 and helpful

Slush

@GUB said:

@Slush said:

@GUB said:

@skiphunt said:

@reasOne said:
how to use it with a dawlike workflow of xequence

Although I already knew how to use Xequence 2 with apeMatrix... I appreciate your no nonsense, get to the point approach to your demo videos. Thanks!

Hey @skiphunt, I am using this post to get your attention, because I all of a sudden can't find you other ApeMatrix post I actually wanted to ask about.

In that one, you discovered a master / gain panel that was accessed by clicking "three dots" somewhere... is that feature still in AM? I can't find that panel anywhere... I'm using an ipad mostly, but also have AM on iphone...

Thanks, but that is a different panel than the one I'm curious about. The one I reference above has a master gain that affects all three matrices, I believe... and other controls not present in the Post-processing window. A screenshot is somewhere in this thread...

Don’t have a clue.. now I want to know it too. If you get some feedback from the dev let us know!

GUB

@skiphunt said:

@GUB said:

@Slush said:

@GUB said:

@skiphunt said:

@reasOne said:
how to use it with a dawlike workflow of xequence

Although I already knew how to use Xequence 2 with apeMatrix... I appreciate your no nonsense, get to the point approach to your demo videos. Thanks!

Hey @skiphunt, I am using this post to get your attention, because I all of a sudden can't find you other ApeMatrix post I actually wanted to ask about.

In that one, you discovered a master / gain panel that was accessed by clicking "three dots" somewhere... is that feature still in AM? I can't find that panel anywhere... I'm using an ipad mostly, but also have AM on iphone...

Thanks, but that is a different panel than the one I'm curious about. The one I reference above has a master gain that affects all three matrices, I believe... and other controls not present in the Post-processing window. A screenshot is somewhere in this thread...

I vaguely recall that but I don’t see it either.

The in-app guide says there’s a Global adjustment for all matrixes but I can’t find it. Maybe message the dev? He’s very cool 😎 and helpful

Good idea. Should have done that first probably...

GUB

@Slush said:

@GUB said:

@Slush said:

@GUB said:

@skiphunt said:

@reasOne said:
how to use it with a dawlike workflow of xequence

Although I already knew how to use Xequence 2 with apeMatrix... I appreciate your no nonsense, get to the point approach to your demo videos. Thanks!

Hey @skiphunt, I am using this post to get your attention, because I all of a sudden can't find you other ApeMatrix post I actually wanted to ask about.

In that one, you discovered a master / gain panel that was accessed by clicking "three dots" somewhere... is that feature still in AM? I can't find that panel anywhere... I'm using an ipad mostly, but also have AM on iphone...

Thanks, but that is a different panel than the one I'm curious about. The one I reference above has a master gain that affects all three matrices, I believe... and other controls not present in the Post-processing window. A screenshot is somewhere in this thread...

Don’t have a clue.. now I want to know it too. If you get some feedback from the dev let us know!

You betcha

GUB

@GUB said:

@Slush said:

@GUB said:

@Slush said:

@GUB said:

@skiphunt said:

@reasOne said:
how to use it with a dawlike workflow of xequence

Although I already knew how to use Xequence 2 with apeMatrix... I appreciate your no nonsense, get to the point approach to your demo videos. Thanks!

Hey @skiphunt, I am using this post to get your attention, because I all of a sudden can't find you other ApeMatrix post I actually wanted to ask about.

In that one, you discovered a master / gain panel that was accessed by clicking "three dots" somewhere... is that feature still in AM? I can't find that panel anywhere... I'm using an ipad mostly, but also have AM on iphone...

Thanks, but that is a different panel than the one I'm curious about. The one I reference above has a master gain that affects all three matrices, I believe... and other controls not present in the Post-processing window. A screenshot is somewhere in this thread...

Don’t have a clue.. now I want to know it too. If you get some feedback from the dev let us know!

You betcha

I emailed the Dev... Meanwhile, I have a sneaking suspicion that the panel you thought I was talking about is actually a newer version of it. If so, it's very different from the original one, but the help manual supports this suspicion. I'll let you know if I learn anything.

Slush

@GUB said:

@GUB said:

@Slush said:

@GUB said:

@Slush said:

@GUB said:

@skiphunt said:

@reasOne said:
how to use it with a dawlike workflow of xequence

Although I already knew how to use Xequence 2 with apeMatrix... I appreciate your no nonsense, get to the point approach to your demo videos. Thanks!

Hey @skiphunt, I am using this post to get your attention, because I all of a sudden can't find you other ApeMatrix post I actually wanted to ask about.

In that one, you discovered a master / gain panel that was accessed by clicking "three dots" somewhere... is that feature still in AM? I can't find that panel anywhere... I'm using an ipad mostly, but also have AM on iphone...

Thanks, but that is a different panel than the one I'm curious about. The one I reference above has a master gain that affects all three matrices, I believe... and other controls not present in the Post-processing window. A screenshot is somewhere in this thread...

Don’t have a clue.. now I want to know it too. If you get some feedback from the dev let us know!

You betcha

I emailed the Dev... Meanwhile, I have a sneaking suspicion that the panel you thought I was talking about is actually a newer version of it. If so, it's very different from the original one, but the help manual supports this suspicion. I'll let you know if I learn anything.

You could be right about that, but the more I think about it, we SHOULD have a overall master gain WITH the possibility to add fx, to glue the three matrixes together (final mastering fx). I export the recordings now to Cubasis for that reason. It would be great if we could complete everything in Apematrix.

GUB

@Slush said:

@GUB said:

@GUB said:

@Slush said:

@GUB said:

@Slush said:

@GUB said:

@skiphunt said:

@reasOne said:
how to use it with a dawlike workflow of xequence

Although I already knew how to use Xequence 2 with apeMatrix... I appreciate your no nonsense, get to the point approach to your demo videos. Thanks!

Hey @skiphunt, I am using this post to get your attention, because I all of a sudden can't find you other ApeMatrix post I actually wanted to ask about.

In that one, you discovered a master / gain panel that was accessed by clicking "three dots" somewhere... is that feature still in AM? I can't find that panel anywhere... I'm using an ipad mostly, but also have AM on iphone...

Thanks, but that is a different panel than the one I'm curious about. The one I reference above has a master gain that affects all three matrices, I believe... and other controls not present in the Post-processing window. A screenshot is somewhere in this thread...

Don’t have a clue.. now I want to know it too. If you get some feedback from the dev let us know!

You betcha

I emailed the Dev... Meanwhile, I have a sneaking suspicion that the panel you thought I was talking about is actually a newer version of it. If so, it's very different from the original one, but the help manual supports this suspicion. I'll let you know if I learn anything.

You could be right about that, but the more I think about it, we SHOULD have a overall master gain WITH the possibility to add fx, to glue the three matrixes together (final mastering fx). I export the recordings now to Cubasis for that reason. It would be great if we could complete everything in Apematrix.

Agree completely.

Slush

@GUB said:

@Slush said:

@GUB said:

@GUB said:

@Slush said:

@GUB said:

@Slush said:

@GUB said:

@skiphunt said:

@reasOne said:
how to use it with a dawlike workflow of xequence

Although I already knew how to use Xequence 2 with apeMatrix... I appreciate your no nonsense, get to the point approach to your demo videos. Thanks!

Hey @skiphunt, I am using this post to get your attention, because I all of a sudden can't find you other ApeMatrix post I actually wanted to ask about.

In that one, you discovered a master / gain panel that was accessed by clicking "three dots" somewhere... is that feature still in AM? I can't find that panel anywhere... I'm using an ipad mostly, but also have AM on iphone...

Thanks, but that is a different panel than the one I'm curious about. The one I reference above has a master gain that affects all three matrices, I believe... and other controls not present in the Post-processing window. A screenshot is somewhere in this thread...

Don’t have a clue.. now I want to know it too. If you get some feedback from the dev let us know!

You betcha

I emailed the Dev... Meanwhile, I have a sneaking suspicion that the panel you thought I was talking about is actually a newer version of it. If so, it's very different from the original one, but the help manual supports this suspicion. I'll let you know if I learn anything.

You could be right about that, but the more I think about it, we SHOULD have a overall master gain WITH the possibility to add fx, to glue the three matrixes together (final mastering fx). I export the recordings now to Cubasis for that reason. It would be great if we could complete everything in Apematrix.

Agree completely.

Any info/update from Apematrix?